--- title: Lawyer Alleges Alex Jones May Have Lied in Sandy Hook Case description: A lawyer representing families of Sandy Hook victims said conspiracy theorist Alex Jones lied about not having text messages about the shooting. canonical: https://time.com/6203416/alex-jones-sandy-hook-trial-perjury/ author: Madeleine Carlisle article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2022-08-03T21:47:42.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-10-14T09:38:10.524Z article:section: U.S. og:title: Lawyer Alleges Alex Jones Lied on the Stand in Sandy Hook Case og:description: "Do you know what perjury is?" og:url: https://time.com/6203416/alex-jones-sandy-hook-trial-perjury/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltd6664cba23a4d33c/698a3455011682614698221b/alex-jones-trial.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 2400 og:image:height: 1350 og:image:alt: Alex Jones defamation trial og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: Lawyer Alleges Alex Jones Lied on the Stand in Sandy Hook Case twitter:description: "Do you know what perjury is?" twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltd6664cba23a4d33c/698a3455011682614698221b/alex-jones-trial.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 video:duration: 03:01 video:published: 2022-08-04 section: politics topics: Sandy Hook shooting, defamation lawsuit, Alex Jones, conspiracy theories, phone text messages evidence, accountability, media coverage, staged event claims genre: courtroom deposition, interview tones: confrontational, defensive, solemn, accusatory emotions: anger (medium), grief (medium), defensiveness (high), regret (low) sentiment: negative audience: news readers, legal observers, public policy followers, Sandy Hook families' supporters people: Alex Jones, Steve Pieczenik content_suitability: death [00:57-03:01]; violence [00:00-03:01]; tragedy [00:57-03:01]; health controversy [02:14-02:36]; politics [00:00-03:01] transcript_source: automatic transcription transcript_reviewed: not applicable ---  # ‘Do You Know What Perjury Is?’ Lawyer Alleges Alex Jones Lied in Sandy Hook Case > Sponsored content. 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Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones was already in a mountain of legal trouble after he was found liable in Connecticut and Texas last fall for defaming families of victims who were killed in 2012’s Sandy Hook mass shooting—which Jones had repeatedly called a hoax on his far-right platform InfoWars._ Description, summary, key points, chapters, key quotes, questions and transcript, where present, were produced automatically from the video or its captions and were not reviewed. ## Summary A deposition-style exchange in which a lawyer confronts Alex Jones over a phone containing his text messages and asks whether he understands what that means. Jones responds about giving his phone to lawyers and says he was under pressure and believed Sandy Hook was staged based on a source he trusted. The grieving parent-side speaker says Jones hurt them and wants accountability and to restore their son's legacy. Jones says he never intentionally hurt anyone and that media coverage of his remarks was unfair. ## Key points - The lawyer says Jones's attorneys mistakenly sent a digital copy of his entire cell phone, including two years of text messages. (00:00) - Jones says he did not personally hand over his phone and that his lawyers gave it to the other side during testimony. (00:18) - The speaker says they hold Jones accountable for what he said and did to them and aims to restore the honor and legacy of their son. (00:57) - Jones says he never intentionally tried to hurt anyone and never said the person's name until the case came to court. (01:14) - Jones says he began questioning the event over several years and that the internet had many questions he wanted answered. (01:21) - Jones says he believed the event was totally staged, basing that belief largely on Steve Pieczenik. (02:14) - Asked whether his statements were irresponsible, Jones says it was, especially since he met the parents, and insists the event was 100% real. (02:32) - Jones says media outlets ran with claims that he said it wasn't real and that he wants to take his statements back but is being kept in the role of the Sandy Hook man. (02:36) ## Chapters - [00:00 to 00:18] Lawyer raises mistaken phone data disclosure. The lawyer tells Jones that his attorneys mistakenly sent a full digital copy of his phone and asks if he understands what that means. - [00:18 to 00:57] Jones on phone handover and opening remarks. Jones says he gave his phone to lawyers during testimony, and the speaker states they hold him accountable and seek to restore their son's legacy. - [00:57 to 01:21] Jones on intent and questioning the event. Jones says he never intended to hurt anyone and describes how his questions about the event developed over several years. - [01:21 to 02:14] Jones on questioning big events. Jones says people feel targeted when he questions major events and describes his pressure and the sources behind his earlier claims. - [02:14 to 02:32] Jones on belief that event was staged. Jones says he truly believed the event was staged at the time, based on Steve Pieczenik's prestige. - [02:32 to 03:01] Admission of irresponsibility and media criticism. Asked if his conduct was irresponsible, Jones admits it was, insists the event was real, and criticizes media coverage of his remarks. ## Key quotes - [00:00] interviewer: "You know what it is, right? I just want to make sure you know before we go any further." - [00:57] interviewer: "To face Alex Jones, I hold him accountable for what he said and did to me." - [01:14] Alex Jones: "I never intentionally tried to hurt you. I never even said your name until this case came to court." - [02:14] Alex Jones: "I really could believe that it was totally staged at that point and I was basing that off of really Steve Puchenik who is, has been a very prestigious person." - [02:32] interviewer: "Do you understand now that it was absolutely irresponsible of you to do that?" - [02:36] Alex Jones: "it's 100% real and the media still ran with lies that I was saying it wasn't real on air yesterday" ## Questions this video answers - Does Alex Jones understand what it means that his attorneys sent a full copy of his phone? [00:00] - Why does the speaker say they are holding Alex Jones accountable? [00:57] - Why did Alex Jones say he questioned the Sandy Hook event? [01:21] - What source did Alex Jones say he relied on for his belief that the event was staged? [02:14] - Does Alex Jones admit his statements were irresponsible? [02:32] - How does Alex Jones say media coverage affected his ability to retract his claims? [02:36] ## Content suitability - death [00:57-03:01]: Discussion of the death of a child in the Sandy Hook mass shooting and the legacy of the victim. - violence [00:00-03:01]: References to the Sandy Hook mass shooting and claims about its reality. - tragedy [00:57-03:01]: Grief of the families of victims and accountability for harmful public claims. - health controversy [02:14-02:36]: Conspiracy claims that a mass shooting was staged and calls it a hoax. - politics [00:00-03:01]: Legal and public controversy involving a far-right media figure and defamation liability.  by [Madeleine Carlisle](https://time.com/author/madeleine-carlisle/)  ## Madeleine Carlisle Aug 3, 2022 9:47 PM UTC Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones was already in a mountain of legal trouble after he was found liable in Connecticut and Texas last fall for defaming families of victims who were killed in 2012’s Sandy Hook mass shooting—which Jones had repeatedly called a hoax on his far-right platform InfoWars.  by [Madeleine Carlisle](https://time.com/author/madeleine-carlisle/)  ## Madeleine Carlisle Aug 3, 2022 9:47 PM UTC Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones was already in a mountain of legal trouble after he was found liable in Connecticut and Texas last fall for defaming families of victims who were killed in 2012’s [Sandy Hook mass shooting](https://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/16/remembering-the-victims-of-the-sandy-hook-elementary-school-shooting/)—which Jones had repeatedly called a hoax on his far-right platform InfoWars. But those troubles grew on Wednesday after a bombshell allegation by the victims’ families’ lawyer suggested Jones may have lied on the stand. (Jones denied lying.) Jones repeatedly said on[ InfoWars](https://time.com/5358494/alex-jones-infowars-podcast-removed/) that he believed the Sandy Hook massacre—which left 20 elementary school children and six adults dead in the [deadliest school shooting in history](https://time.com/6187504/school-shooting-fatalities/)—was a hoax. He and his media company Free Speech Systems, are now embroiled in a series of defamation lawsuits from victims’ families, who allege that Jones’ statements led to them facing death threats and intense harassment. The current lawsuit was brought by Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis, whose six-year-old son Jesse Lewis died in the Sandy Hook attack. Jones has already been found liable, and now a jury will determine how much he must pay the family in damages. The families are seeking $150 million from Jones and his media company, which has filed for bankruptcy. Throughout the legal proceedings Jones’ brand of misinformation that thrived on the internet has broken down. On Wednesday, Jones said he now believes that the Sandy Hook attack was “100% real” and it was irresponsible for him to have said otherwise. (Jones’ lawyer and the families’ lawyer did not respond to TIME’s request for comment.) The statement came after Lewis and Heslin’s gut-wrenching testimony on Tuesday as they described how Jones had negatively impacted their lives. Heslin told the jury that he couldn’t “even begin to describe the last nine-and-a-half years of hell” they had experienced as they were repeatedly confronted by people who believed Jones’ conspiracy theory that the Sandy Hook massacre was fake. “My life has been threatened,” Heslin said. “I fear for my life. I fear for my safety and my family’ safety and their life.” **Read More:** [_The Steps We Can Take to Reduce Mass Shootings in America_](https://time.com/6184653/mass-shootings-america-how-to-stop/) Jones had previously testified that he had complied with the discovery process and searched for any messages on his phone he could provide in which Sandy Hook was discussed**,** but found none. On Wednesday, Mark Bankston, the attorney for the families, disagreed—and brought receipts. “Did you know that 12 days ago, your attorneys messed up and sent me an entire digital copy of your entire cell phone with every text message you’ve sent for the past two years?” said Bankston. “That is how I know you lied to me when you said you didn’t have text messages about Sandy Hook.” “No I didn’t know this happened, but I told you I gave the phone over,” Jones responded, clearly shocked. “This is your Perry Mason moment.” “In discovery, you were asked if you had Sandy Hook text messages on your phone, and you said, ‘No.’ Correct?” Bankston asked. “If I was mistaken, I was mistaken. You’ve got the text messages right there,” responded Jones. “You know what perjury is, right?” Bankston asked. “Yes I do,” said Jones. “I’m not a tech guy. 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