--- title: What Elon Musk’s Bid to Buy Twitter Means for Free Speech description: Many on the frontlines of democratic spaces online have questioned whether Musk’s move would undermine, rather than bolster, democracy canonical: https://time.com/6167099/twitter-employees-elon-musk-free-speech/ author: Billy Perrigo article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2022-04-14T18:04:17.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-10-14T09:34:36.012Z article:section: Business og:title: What Elon Musk’s Bid to Buy Twitter Means for Free Speech og:description: Many on the frontlines of democratic spaces online have questioned whether Musk’s move would undermine, rather than bolster, democracy og:url: https://time.com/6167099/twitter-employees-elon-musk-free-speech/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt7201fb6074985613/698a30e7db298761c9267b61/elon-musk-twitter-free-speech.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 2400 og:image:height: 1350 og:image:alt: lon-musk-twitter-free-speech og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: What Elon Musk’s Bid to Buy Twitter Means for Free Speech twitter:description: Many on the frontlines of democratic spaces online have questioned whether Musk’s move would undermine, rather than bolster, democracy twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt7201fb6074985613/698a30e7db298761c9267b61/elon-musk-twitter-free-speech.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 ---  # ‘The Idea Exposes His Naiveté.’ Twitter Employees On Why Elon Musk Is Wrong About Free Speech > Sponsored content. 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Person of the Year is a marker of influence, and few individuals have had more influence than Musk on life on Earth, and potentially life off Earth too. In 2021, Musk emerged not just as the world’s richest person but also as perhaps the richest example of a massive shift in our society._  by [Billy Perrigo](https://time.com/author/billy-perrigo/)  ## Billy Perrigo Correspondent Apr 14, 2022 6:04 PM UTC Person of the Year is a marker of influence, and few individuals have had more influence than Musk on life on Earth, and potentially life off Earth too. In 2021, Musk emerged not just as the world’s richest person but also as perhaps the richest example of a massive shift in our society.  by [Billy Perrigo](https://time.com/author/billy-perrigo/)  ## Billy Perrigo Correspondent Apr 14, 2022 6:04 PM UTC Elon Musk offered to buy Twitter for $43 billion on April 14, in what he claimed was a move that would allow him to change the platform to promote more “free speech.” The world’s richest man calls himself a “free speech absolutist” and has criticized Twitter’s increasing usage of content moderation. “I invested in Twitter as I believe in its potential to be the platform for free speech around the globe, and I believe free speech is a societal imperative for a functioning democracy,” Musk said in an SEC filing disclosed Thursday. “However, since making my investment I now realize the company will neither thrive nor serve this societal imperative in its current form. Twitter needs to be transformed as a private company.” But many on the frontlines of the fight for democratic spaces online have questioned whether Musk’s move – if it is indeed serious, and if he can raise the required cash, and if the offer is accepted by the Twitter board – would undermine, rather than bolster, democracy. Employees of the platform and other experts have also spoken publicly about their fears that Musk may try to erode Twitter’s recent moves to protect marginalized users and tackle harassment and misinformation. Since the explosion of social media usage more than a decade ago, researchers and technologists have forged an understanding of the ways that the design of social media sites has an impact on civic discourse and, ultimately, democratic processes. One of their key findings: sites that privilege free speech above all else tend to result in spaces where civic discourse is drowned out by harassment, restricting participation to a privileged few. That finding has informed much of Twitter’s recent work. Among its current stated [priorities](https://about.twitter.com/en/our-priorities/healthy-conversations) are pledges to facilitate “safe, inclusive, and authentic conversations,” and to “minimize the distribution and reach of harmful or misleading information, especially when its intent is to disrupt a civic process or cause offline harm.” A Twitter employee on the health team, which focuses on keeping Twitter a safe, user-friendly space, agreed to speak with TIME on condition of anonymity in order to speak candidly. “In a way, \[Musk’s\] goals are aligned with ours in that we are certainly interested in protecting democracy. But the idea of bringing more free speech to the platform exposes his naiveté with respect to the nuts and bolts of content moderation,” the person told TIME a few hours after Musk’s offer was made public. “If you look historically, there have been a lot of platforms founded on this free speech principle, but the reality is that either it becomes a cesspool that people don’t want to use, or they realize that there is actually the need for some level of moderation.” It is unclear what specific changes Musk seeks to make to the platform beyond a popular pledge to introduce an edit button to the site, and the desire to make Twitter’s algorithm more transparent. But some employees have spoken out about their fears that Musk would undermine the company’s commitments to ending targeted harassment and facilitating what it calls “conversational health.” “From a health perspective, there’s a lot of data scientists and policy researchers at Twitter who all have deep expertise in grounding policies in trying to create this environment where inclusive conversations can be had,” the Twitter employee on the health team said. “Musk doesn’t have the background in doing this kind of work, but believes he has the solution… Health is seen internally as a big priority. If Musk were to gain control, there’s the sense that this health work would be deprioritized.” Other experts in the field have criticized Musk’s apparent desire to roll back Twitter’s content moderation. “Effective moderation is not inherently in conflict with free speech,” said Samidh Chakrabarti, Facebook’s former head of civic integrity, in a tweet on Thursday. “It is required for people to feel free to speak. Anyone who doesn’t get this has a high school stoner level grasp of societal issues and has never spent \[five minutes\] working on trust & safety.” “Musk has implied that he wants Twitter to allow more of what might be considered harassment on the platform,” [Tracy Chou](https://time.com/collection/women-of-the-year/6150549/tracy-chou/), the founder of Block Party, a third-party app for muting harassment on Twitter, said in a statement to TIME on Thursday. “No matter what free speech advocates declare, some moderation is always going to be necessary or users leave. The question is where the platform draws the line at what it wants to enforce.” **_Read more:_**[**Elon Musk Offers to Buy Twitter for $43 Billion**](https://time.com/6166899/elon-musk-buy-twitter-offer/) Musk does not seem to be proposing anything radically new – rather, a return to an earlier, less-regulated Twitter. Before the dying months of the Trump era, Twitter was a platform that regularly cast itself as free speech absolutist. For years, former CEO Jack Dorsey pushed back against calls to take stricter action against the rise of misinformation, harassment and conspiracy theories on his site by [saying](https://twitter.com/jack/status/651003891153108997?lang=en-GB) he was committed to freedom of expression. But as Trump’s presidency tested the limits of social media platforms’ ability to tolerate unfettered speech, especially by those to whom it gives the largest megaphones, Twitter came increasingly to rely on content moderation – deleting tweets and accounts that violate its rules – along with more subtle tweaks to the site’s design that are intended to bolster the health of public conversation and the spread of reliable information. That pivot to a more interventionist approach was encapsulated by Twitter’s eventual decision, on Jan. 6, 2021, to permanently ban Trump from the platform for trying to undemocratically overturn the results of the 2020 election. (Some onlookers wonder whether Musk would seek to reverse Trump’s ban. In a live TED interview on April 14, Musk said he would generally prefer Twitter prioritize “time outs rather than permanent bans.”) Today, Twitter’s employee base is largely liberal, and many have spoken out publicly – via tweet – against Musk’s recent attempts to influence the company’s approach to content. Rumman Chowdhury, Twitter’s head of responsible machine learning, said in a tweet that she had already observed a chilling effect on the freedom of speech of Twitter employees after Musk’s public pronouncements. “Twitter has a beautiful culture of hilarious constructive criticism, and I saw that go silent because of his minions attacking employees,” she wrote. (She subsequently muted her notifications on the thread “because the trolls have descended.”) Others engaged in the time-honored Twitter tradition of sh-tposting. “Dudes will try to buy companies instead of going to therapy,” [said](https://twitter.com/amdev/status/1514563921121796097) Amro Mousa, another engineering manager at Twitter, on Thursday, in a tweet that was retweeted by several of his colleagues. Many are still holding out hope that CEO Parag Agrawal and the Twitter board will reject Musk’s offer to buy the company, which some financial analysts have suggested undervalues it. Another employee, who also spoke with TIME on the condition of anonymity, said: “I cannot wait for Twitter to say no.” ## Transcript [00:00] Okay, all right, all good. [00:07] So, which living person do you most admire? [00:11] I admire anyone who is making a positive contribution [00:15] to humanity. [00:17] Whether that is an entertainment or technology or, you know, I think anyone who's sort of [00:24] doing things that are really useful to the rest of humanity is, I admire them greatly. [00:46] You know, it's really hard to escape Elon [00:49] Musk's dominance over so many things in American life, right now. [00:53] He's got this rocket company that is completely dominating the space launch [00:58] business. [00:59] He's got a car company that is completely dominating the electric vehicle market. [01:04] He's got 65 million Twitter followers, and he likes to make weird jokes and set people [01:08] off. [01:09] And sometimes with a single tweet, he can control the stock market or the value of various [01:14] different cryptocurrencies. [01:16] So this is a man who's just sort of become ever present across a lot of different sectors. [01:23] And this was really the year that he came into his own. [01:25] His goal is to make humanity a multi-planet [01:29] species. [01:30] And in a time in which NASA has abdicated its operations to put people in low Earth [01:37] orbit. [01:38] And for the time being, at least, put people on the other worlds, SpaceX has stepped in [01:44] like no other private company before it around the world. [01:47] So Elon Musk's wealth is largely tied up in [01:53] Tesla stock. [01:55] He is the not only the CEO, he is its largest shareholder. [02:02] And Tesla is one of the most valuable companies in the country, its market value is more than [02:09] $1 trillion dollars. [02:11] And his wealth is sort of tied up in that company. [02:15] Tesla has dragged the legacy automators into [02:19] the electric vehicle market. [02:21] Yeah. [02:22] Do companies like Ford, GM, Rivian, Lucid, pose a threat to Tesla's dominance? [02:27] Or do you think you guys have so grasp the market at this point that you are going to own it? [02:32] Well, if [02:33] somebody makes better cars than we do, then, [02:35] and they then sell more cars than we do, I think that's totally fine. [02:39] Our intent with Tesla was always that we would serve as an example, to the car industry and [02:44] that, and hope that they also make electric cars so that we can accelerate the transition [02:50] to sustainable energy. [02:52] I'm confident in the future in Tesla that will do well. [02:55] And I hope some of these other companies do well, too. [02:57] Earlier this year, this Tesla crashed into [03:00] a highway divider in California killing the driver, another slammed into a parked fire truck [03:05] in Utah, both had the autopilot feature on. [03:09] There is a federal investigation underway into the [03:12] autopilot software that Tesla has, which despite the name is not autopilot software, it does [03:18] not drive the car for you. [03:20] And people inside Tesla have expressed a lot of skepticism about whether the company's [03:25] technology is eventually going to be able to get there. [03:29] Are the cars safe? [03:31] I mean, should I feel comfortable getting behind the wheel of a Tesla and saying, drive [03:35] me where I need to go? [03:36] Well, the statistics that I think are at this [03:41] point unequivocal, that you know far more accidents off autopilot than on autopilot. [03:47] So this is not to say that autopilot is perfect. [03:49] Now to get to full self driving where you don't need to pay attention, we still obviously [03:54] have a lot of work to do. [03:55] So as we get to the point where interventions are extremely rare even in complex [03:59] traffic situations, and get to the point where the probability of injury with full self driving [04:05] is much lower than whether human driving. [04:07] Right. [04:08] Then obviously at that point, it would make sense to allow the car to drive itself and not have to pay attention. [04:13] So this year, Elon Musk became the world's richest man ever. [04:18] So we asked him about another pressing global problem, and that is income and wealth inequality. [04:25] When it's time to pay taxes, new reporting [04:28] from ProPublica says the nation's top 25 richest people pay little to nothing at all, [04:34] including Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk. [04:37] One of the main criticisms of him is just [04:39] that he's so rich, should any human being be worth $300 billion dollars? [04:47] Yeah, a lot of the push for higher government [04:50] involvements, and expropriation of assets by the government is really pushed by a bunch [04:54] of politicians who are actually saying that resources shouldn't be in control [04:59] of people—of private individuals, they should be in control of the government. [05:05] They're basically saying they want control of the assets. [05:07] I mean, I think in terms of things that people should perhaps get upset about is like, I [05:11] think getting upset about excess consumption is a thing to get upset about. [05:16] But, you know, somebody is just wasting money on personal luxuries in a crazy way. [05:21] You know, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not Warren Buffett's biggest fan, frankly. [05:24] But, you know, he sits there. [05:25] And he reads all these annual reports, which are super boring. [05:28] Does anybody want that job? [05:29] I think most people do. [05:31] No, I don't want that job. [05:33] But like, he's not, he's not like, engaged in like, insane, conspicuous consumption. [05:38] So you have say, like, okay, sure he's got a high net worth, but doesn't— [05:42] he's doing a useful job for the economy, you know, and he's very skilled at it, and should [05:46] probably keep doing it. [05:47] Elon Musk definitely uses Twitter in a way [05:49] that no other business leader does. [05:53] And it's gotten him into a lot of trouble in recent years. [05:55] His twitter feed is juvenile, to say the least [05:58] he has insulted some important people in really immature ways. [06:04] But when a person with 65 million followers and $300 billion dollars, is just having fun, that [06:10] tends to create ripples in the larger pond. [06:13] You are [06:14] not to put too fine a point on it, the richest [06:15] man in the history of the world, and arguably the most influential. [06:21] And yet you tweet freely and playfully and [06:25] mischievously. [06:26] I guess that's—that's accurate. [06:30] So are feuds with policymakers? Or poking Jeff Bezos? [06:33] Is that good for the overall brand? [06:36] Yeah, I don't really think about brand optimization [06:38] to be frank, as lobbyists for my tweets, which are often self inflicted wounds, or humor [06:43] that I find funny, but not necessarily that other many other people find funny, right? [06:47] You know, [06:48] when you say take the red pill, do you worry [06:50] about sending none to— [06:53] I say take both pills. [06:56] But do you worry at all about activating motivating the, you know, political fringe? [07:04] Yeah, actually, when I said take the red pill, I didn't realize that was some like, politically charged phrase— [07:09] Right. [07:10] I'm just referring to "The Matrix". Yeah. [07:15] You know, yeah. [07:16] Like, you know, make sure you accept reality for what it is right? [07:18] And it turns out, it's like, also like some, like, accept right wing dogma thing, or something? [07:22] I don't, I didn't realize that at the time. [07:24] You do have the ability to move markets with [07:27] a tweet, should any one man have that power? [07:30] Well, um, you know, the markets move themselves [07:34] all the time. [07:35] And so, you know, especially Tesla stock has seen some very big changes in value from one [07:40] day to the next based on nothing, as far as I can tell. [07:43] So just statements that I make_ [07:45] are they materially different from random movements of the stock that might happen anyway? [07:51] I don't think so. [07:53] It's not like, you know, stock drops in half or something like that, you know, [07:56] Elon Musk is someone who pursues his goals [07:59] relentlessly. [08:00] And I think that does sometimes make him blind to the potential human toll, the potential [08:05] human cost that, that can create for some of the people who gets sort of ground up in the [08:10] gears of the things he's trying to do. [08:12] You've made statements, downplaying COVID-19, [08:17] you kept your factories open, running at the height of the pandemic. [08:20] Well, [08:21] actually, technically, I think there's a misunderstanding [08:22] there on the on the factories front, [08:24] Tell me about that. [08:25] So other car factories in the United States had started—had restarted. [08:30] Right. [08:31] And we were blocked, only because our car factories in the Bay Area in California. [08:37] So California had actually said, manufacturing can restart. And then Alameda County sided off their own accord that the Tesla could not restart. [08:47] Reopening the factory in Alameda was arguably a poor management choice. [08:52] I think he was aware of the risks that his employees were taking. [08:58] I don't think it was necessarily a fair choice to pressure or invite or ask or instruct employees [09:06] to come back to work. [09:08] Are you vaccinated? [09:09] If I may ask. [09:10] Yeah. I'm very pro-vaccination. [09:13] We've it's the science is unequivocal. [09:14] I treat it to that effect. [09:16] But by the same token, I am against forcing people to be vaccinated. [09:19] You know, I think this is just not something we should do in America. [09:22] I think we should encourage people to be vaccinated, strongly try to convince them to be vaccinated, [09:29] but not force them to be vaccinated or for example, force them to get vaccinated [09:35] or get fired. [09:36] Elon Musk is incredibly influential in the, [09:41] in the cryptocurrency world. [09:44] He's constantly tweeting about his opinions about certain cryptocurrencies versus others. [09:50] He is known as a big proponent of Dogecoin. [09:57] And someone who has in the past taken Tesla's assets and invested those into Bitcoin [10:05] and then sold that Bitcoin at a profit. [10:07] Well, I mean, I could really sort of wax on [10:10] about the nature of money for hours because I played a significant role in creating PayPal. [10:17] And so my understanding of the money system at a fundamental level of how it actually [10:21] works, the detailed mechanics of it is I think there's there very few people that understand it better than [10:26] me. Bitcoin is an interesting example obviously, the prime mover on this, but the transaction [10:32] volume of Bitcoin is low, and the cost per transaction is high, it is at least at [10:39] its base level, suitable for maybe an exchange a store of value, but fundamentally, Bitcoin is [10:46] not a good substitute for transactional currency. [10:53] And even though it was created as a silly joke, Dogecoin is better suited for transactions. [10:59] Why is that? [11:01] The total transaction flow that you can do with Dogecoin is substantially more than, [11:08] like transactions per day, is much higher than—has much higher potential than Bitcoin. [11:13] It is a slightly inflationary but that inflationary number is a fixed number as opposed to a percentage. [11:22] Right. [11:23] So that means over time, its percentage inflation actually decreases. [11:26] And that's actually good because it encourages people to spend and rather than sort of hoard [11:30] it as a store of value. [11:31] I'm going to switch to a personal question [11:36] a little bit if you're okay with that. [11:37] Yeah, sure. [11:38] So what happened with Grimes and do you have a new girlfriend? [11:41] Oh, man. [11:41] Are you seeing someone new? I know here we are with our somewhat different approach. [11:49] Grimes as I said, like 70 separated, you know, like, it's just that her work, [11:57] has her just being in different places a lot versus my work. [12:01] So we, you know, weren't seeing each other that much. [12:04] We're still—we're still good friends. [12:06] And I do not have a new girlfriend or anything. [12:10] Okay, yeah. [12:12] I mean, this place is basically like a technology monastery, you know. [12:17] Technology monastery? [12:19] Yeah. There's hardly any. [12:21] I mean, there's someone here, but not many. [12:23] And it's remote. [12:25] Yeah. [12:26] And we deal to do technology. [12:27] Yes. 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