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Terms and conditions apply. * Savings buckets are a feature of Ally Bank's Savings Account. * No ATM fees from Ally Bank at Allpoint and Moneypass ATMs plus we reimburse for fees charged by other ATM owners nationwide up to $10 per statement cycle. * Early direct deposit offers eligible direct deposits up to two days sooner. * Spending buckets are a feature of Ally Bank's Spending Account. by [Suyin Haynes](https://time.com/author/suyin-haynes/) ## Suyin Haynes Dec 3, 2020 3:49 PM UTC  Stefania M. D’Alessandro—Getty Images by [Suyin Haynes](https://time.com/author/suyin-haynes/) ## Suyin Haynes Dec 3, 2020 3:49 PM UTC In 2013’s [_12 Years a Slave_](https://time.com/5910721/best-movies-based-on-true-story/), British director [Steve McQueen](https://time.com/75524/steve-mcqueen-time-100/) made a harrowing portrait of slavery in the 19th century American South. With his new film anthology _Small Axe_, the Oscar-winning director trains his lens on more recent history, exploring his own community and personal experiences, more than a decade after first conceiving of the project. Recalling the stories of resistance told by family members, reflecting on the racial discrimination he faced growing up in the 1970s and ’80s and harnessing the energy and vibrancy of the West Indian community in London, McQueen calls _Small Axe_ a love letter to Black resilience. The five films, releasing on Amazon Prime one per week starting in late November, span the late 1960s to the 1980s. Three depict real-life people and events not often portrayed on screen, or taught about in schools. “I wish I’d seen these films earlier to have those images and stories in my grasp,” McQueen told TIME via Zoom in November. “And I think what has been so encouraging is people’s responses to the movies, because they know it’s been very emotional, and very cathartic in a way.” McQueen spoke to TIME about the new collection of films, his memories of 1980s London and the changing landscape for Black British artists. ### **TIME:** [**_Small Axe_**](https://time.com/5914110/small-axe-mangrove-review/) **takes its name from a proverb: “If you are the big tree, we are the small axe.” How did you first conceive the series?** **Steve McQueen:** This started about 11 years ago, and I needed the time and the maturity to get a grip on it. I needed that perspective. It was going to be one story with one family, but with my research, I was just finding all these amazing stories and thought that they should be stand-alone stories. ### **These stories are not really taught in school or seen onscreen. What was it about these five moments that interested you?** _Mangrove_ was the first story, and it’s a landmark case in British history. At the time, it was the longest-running court case at 55 days, and during it, the police were called racists for the first time. [_Lovers Rock_](https://time.com/5914535/best-movies-2020/) is about the whole idea of another claim of defiance, of being able to express oneself with music, in a landscape which was not inviting to Black people in the clubs. The idea for _Red, White and Blue_ emerged from the writers’ room. Alex Wheatle was actually a writer in the writers’ room, and his story \[the subject of the film _Alex Wheatle_\] was so amazing, that I said, “We need your story.” With _Education,_ I was combining the narrative of “educationally subnormal” schools, which emerged in the late ’60s and ’70s, with my own unfortunate situation which happened in the ’80s. **_Read TIME’s review of_** **Mangrove** [**here**](https://time.com/5914110/small-axe-mangrove-review/) ### **You had** [**John Boyega**](https://time.com/collection-post/4972291/john-boyega-next-generation-leaders/) **in mind to play a senior police officer in** **_Red, White and Blue_** **from a very early stage. What was the experience of working with him like?** John can hold the camera. You either have it or you don’t, and he has it. When we were making \[the film\], he did that [speech at Hyde Park](https://time.com/5843817/john-boyega-on-george-floyd/) involving Black Lives Matter and the [death of George Floyd](https://time.com/5847967/george-floyd-protests-trump/). I think the project had an influence on him, and then after that speech, he had an influence on the project. There was a real kind of intertwining of real life and art. ### **You grew up in the time period when the anthology takes place. How did your specific memories inform your storytelling?** Anything a Black person did was on the front or the back pages. It was a time where people were treated very badly. I remember the Brixton riots in ’81 and walking to school, and the narrative that was conjured up at school and the energy that was put upon you when you walked down the street as a Black person. There was a lot of uncertainty. But again, we power through. And I owe a great debt to those people who led the way. ### **What do you hope people take away from watching the anthology?** I really hate that question. I don’t know; that’s not my problem. I never want to put people in a straitjacket. ### **What has been the biggest impact on you from creating these films?** It’s been quite heavy. The first word I would say is relief. For me, it’s great when people feel themselves looking at themselves, because within the narrative of British films, a lot of these stories have never been told. My ambition was to fill the gap in that narrative. ### **Do you feel like, as a Black British creator, the landscape is changing for you to make the art that you want to make?** I’m very hardheaded because of my mother. The landscape is changing because of individuals laying down a path for people to come into, and we did that with _Small Axe._ All our departments had at least one or two apprentices. It’s changing because we make a change. The whole idea of this series is “small axe,” meaning do it yourself. 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