--- title: GoFundMe Border Wall Ordered Open During the Day description: A wall on the southern border that was privately funded by a GoFundMe campaign hit another roadblock and must be kept open during the day canonical: https://time.com/5605349/gofundme-border-wall-new-mexico/ author: Katie Reilly article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2019-06-12T18:02:30.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-08-04T07:52:45.369Z article:section: U.S. og:title: The GoFundMe Border Wall in New Mexico Has Been Ordered Open During the Day og:description: It's the latest roadblock for the privately funded wall og:url: https://time.com/5605349/gofundme-border-wall-new-mexico/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltccb744642857087f/69894b14929fad3057bf354b/gofundme-mexico-border-wall-problems.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 3000 og:image:height: 1688 og:image:alt: Record Number Of Migrants Stream Across U.S. Border, Straining Resources og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: The GoFundMe Border Wall in New Mexico Has Been Ordered Open During the Day twitter:description: It's the latest roadblock for the privately funded wall twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltccb744642857087f/69894b14929fad3057bf354b/gofundme-mexico-border-wall-problems.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 ---  # With GoFundMe Money, They Built a Border Wall in New Mexico. 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Follow a Honduran father and daughter as they journey to the U.S. in search of a better life, only to get caught in a giant border hustle — from the coyotes and the cartels smuggling them to the American companies making billions detaining them._  by [Katie Reilly](https://time.com/author/katie-reilly/)  ## Katie Reilly Jun 12, 2019 6:02 PM UTC  Construction crews work on a border wall being put in place by We Build The Wall Inc. on June 1, 2019 in Sunland Park, New Mexico. Construction crews work on a border wall being put in place by We Build The Wall Inc. on June 1, 2019 in Sunland Park, New Mexico. Joe Raedle/Getty Images  by [Katie Reilly](https://time.com/author/katie-reilly/)  ## Katie Reilly Jun 12, 2019 6:02 PM UTC Construction of a wall on the southern border that was privately funded by a viral $23 million GoFundMe campaign hit another roadblock this week, when a U.S. agency ordered that a gate in the steel fencing be kept open during the day because it blocks access to a U.S.-owned levee road, dam and a historic monument. The gate was built by We Build the Wall in Sunland Park, N.M., near El Paso, Texas “without authority,” the United States Section of the International Boundary and Water Commission (USIBWC) [said Tuesday](https://www.ibwc.gov/Files/Press%5FRelease%5F061119.pdf). Most of the crowdfunded wall is situated on private property owned by a brick company. But when a sliding gate attached to the wall is closed, it crosses into federal land and blocks off a federally owned road, Lori Kuczmanski, a USIBWC spokesperson, tells TIME. “We have operational needs that we need to maintain, and with it being closed, and them not giving us access, we’re locked out of our own property,” Kuczmanski says. “That’s the whole situation here.” We Build the Wall locked the private gate on June 6\. After USIBWC made “repeated requests” to unlock and open the gate, law enforcement officers removed the lock and opened the gate to allow for dam maintenance. The agency is now requiring that the gate be kept open during business hours and [locked at night](https://www.ibwc.gov/Files/Press%5FRelease%5F061119%5F2.pdf) “due to security concerns.” Meanwhile, We Build the Wall has accused the agency of “overreach.” “The USIBWC is concerned about the safety and security of our employees and the infrastructure at the American Dam, which is next to the privately-constructed gate,” the agency said in a [press release](https://www.ibwc.gov/Files/Press%5FRelease%5F061119.pdf) Tuesday, explaining why the gate would be kept open. “Despite USIBWC requests to locate the gate further from American Dam, the private gate was constructed in a way that may channel undocumented immigrants into the American Dam area.” When the We Build the Wall GoFundMe page launched in December, it [raised $20 million in less than a month](https://time.com/5501231/20-million-border-wall-refund-gofundme/) with the goal of paying for a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border that was a central promise of [President Donald Trump’s](https://time.com/5566887/president-trump-wants-to-make-immigration-key-in-2020-who-does-that-help/) presidential campaign. While Trump [declared a national emergency](https://time.com/5530086/donald-trump-national-emergency-risks/) this year to [authorize about $8 billion in spending](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/15/us/politics/national-emergency-trump.html) on the border wall, there is an [ongoing legal battle](http://time.com/5590957/courts-trump-border-wall-funding-pentagon/) over the use of defense funding for the wall. Construction on the private wall in Sunland Park [began](https://twitter.com/BrianKolfage/status/1132998956311613442) on [Memorial Day this year](https://twitter.com/BrianKolfage/status/1133698502243098624), but it was temporarily halted by a cease-and-desist order from city officials, who said We Build the Wall lacked the necessary permits and was in violation of city ordinances. City and state leaders criticized the wall as unnecessary and ineffective, but the mayor later [allowed construction to continue](https://www.texastribune.org/2019/05/30/private-border-wall-given-green-light-continue-new-mexico-town/). Kuczmanski says USIBWC is still waiting for We Build the Wall to fully file a permit request related to its use of federal land — a different permit than those required by the city. We Build the Wall has estimated that the Sunland Park portion of the wall — which, at about a half-mile long, is a small fraction of the roughly 1,950-mile-long southern border — will cost $6 to $8 million. The organization said it is planning to continue building walls in other locations on the border, but has yet to announce where those walls are located. Brian Kolfage, who founded We Build the Wall and started the GoFundMe campaign, has faced criticism throughout the crowdfunding process — for initially lacking a plan to build the wall, and later for [prompting concern from donors](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/11/group-raised-more-than-million-build-wall-now-some-supporters-want-answers/?utm%5Fterm=.826e4b8f2a45) about how their money would be spent. He has [touted the construction](https://twitter.com/BrianKolfage/status/1133031057970925569) in Sunland Park as evidence that the fundraiser has worked. “Our border wall & gate are secure again and we still have not had a single breach,” Kolfage tweeted on Tuesday. “I want to thank the IBWC for acting swiftly and we look forward to working with you on our future projects!” > [](https://twitter.com/BrianKolfage/status/1138629318270226432) ## Transcript [ SOUND ] [ BLANK_AUDIO ] [ INAUDIBLE ] 807, we're just getting, [ INAUDIBLE ] from those people in the back with a tarp. This is an NCIC operator Calling from coastal ban [ UNKNOWN ] with a prepaid collect call from Emilio. Tell me why you are in jail basically? Human smuggling. What's more profitable, drug smuggling or people smuggling? What's your take on that? Right now, The money's in the people. [ MUSIC ] It's in the millions if not billions of dollars annualy. There's major money and smuggling guys, human cargo across the border. [ MUSIC ] [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] Like so many other immigration stories this one isabout money But poverty is only half the picture. The desperation of Hailey's family feeds a giant money making machine that seems to benefit everyone except maybe migrants themselves. I'm Jay Rue, a reporter for the Texas Tribune. To follow this money trail I begin in what's called the wild east of Honduras. When you're little, everything is happiness, but you go in living each day, and you realize what is happening in the country, the poverty, the danger of organized crime, and the drug trade. [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] It's been a while. At least two years or a year and a half. There aren't a lot of economic resources and the poverty makes it hard to travel. Carlos has asked us not to use his real name or show his face for fear of retribution from immigration athourities. First you have to look for a " coyote ". Seven thousand dollars, and they take you to the border. Here in Honduras, they call them " coyotes ". We serve as guides for people to cross over there, to the USA. There are various prices. Some are cheaper, some are a little more expensive. It's cheaper to cross a minor. [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] Bringing Hailey makes it cheaper because Carlos doesn't need to be smuggled into the US interior. Parents with kids are told by the Coyotes to find a border patrol agent and ask for asylum. And so, just like that, six year old Haley is caught up in the border hustle. [ MUSIC ] [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] [ MUSIC ] In La Tecnica, migration isn't just a part of the economy. Migration is the economy. I asked Stephanie Leutert, a university researcher who is an expert in migrant smuggling, to help explain the role that this tiny pirate town plays in the human smuggling trade. La Tecnica is one of the big jumping off points for migrants who are passing through Guatemala, mostly from Honduras, in route to Mexico. You're not gonna be able to find it on many maps. It doesn't even show up, this is a one industry town. Everyone here is involved, everyone here seems to be making some money from it. Whether it's feeding them, whether it's driving the boats. Whether it's driving the taxis, providing the hotels. It's an industry, it's a town that has sprung up around transit migration from Honduras. They get on these small boats, these small wooden boats and there they cross over and get into taxis that are waiting for them on the other side. And then they'll head North. The next big stop on the migrant route is Villahermosa. This is where the coyotes start to make bang for their buck because they can smuggle people in bulk. Right now, we are arriving to Villahermosa, which is one of the biggest hubs for migrant smuggling via tractor trailers in Mexico. The migrants are gonna be boarding now into tractor trailers and moving north through Mexico on federal highways just like this one. [ FOREIGN ] And you are very cramped and you can't move. Most of the time, the kids are sleeping, but someone is always fanning them, blowing on them so they don't feel the heat. They're paying a large chunk of money to have to stay in this cramped space, 30, 40, 50, sometimes up to 80 and 100 people in one trailer. Where they'll be shipped north like cargo. Like any other product. [ MUSIC ] The last stop before the U. S. Reynosa one of the most dangerous cities in the world and it is where crime syndicate called the Gulf Cartel decides who gets to cross. who doesn't. Everything is under the cartel's watch. Since drug business is slow righ tnow, their business is now also people. It gives them more money. It's easy and fast money. They ask for the phone number of family members. To tell them they have to deposit the money. They only say that the quicker you pay, the quicker you get out of there. The problem was Carlos and Hailey didn't have any more money. If you don't pay, they will capture you, they will you up and mess with you. They'll either kill you or get more money from your family. I told Carlos not to worry. I told Carlos not to worry, that we would find a way to get the money. We didn't sleep fo ra night or two, thinking about how we were going to get it. I sold some televisions and a good phone that I had. It wasn't the amount we need. So we had to pawn the house. [ FOREIGN ] [ MUSIC ] After three days the family wired $ 3, 000 to [ UNKNOWN ] and the cartel finally let Carlos and Hayley cross in a raft like this one. [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] Claudia lost the video of Carlos and Hailey crossing, but it was similar to this one that a smuggler recorded of another migrant. Family. [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] [ MUSIC ] If you If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you, and that child maybe separated from you as required by law. The zero tolerance policy at the southern border has already separated thousands of children from their parents. [ FOREIGN ] When they took me to court I told them I couldn't leave my daughter there. And they told me that I couldn't take her to court. Someone else told me she couldn't be with criminals. I thought I would not see my girl again. After crossing the border and turning themselves into immigration, Carlos was taken to a detention facility north of Houston and Hailey was taken to a shelter 1200 miles away in Phoenix, where no one could call her. The shelter called me because she was crying every night. Don't cry. I never imagined this would happen. I know, my love, but you're going to get out soon. Your eyes are going to get all swollen. [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] I started this project to trace Carlos and Hailey's journey to the US from the very beginning, it was clear, they were caught up in one big shake down from the gangs at home to the coyotes and the cartels on the road. I thought once they reached America, the shake down would end. But on From the other side of the border, outside of the border is just a different kind of hassle. The migrant crisis at the Southern US border is attracting private companies that can rake in money for running detention centers. Under my administration, anyone who illegaly crosses the border will be detained. We fund that, we increase the amount of money for detention facilities. I would hear people saying they wanted to keep us inside since they get paid for the number of immigrants they catch. The longer we stay, the more money they earn. It's a business to them. The goal of operating a private prison Is to make money. It is not to ensure public safety, it is not to rehabilitate prisoners, it is not to provide public service, it is to make money. So there over 200 facilities around the country that hold people on a relatively long term basis. About 75 % of people who are in custody under immigration laws will be in facilities that are owned and operated by private Contractors. That's the Adelanto detention center, or I call it prison. This is Carlos Hidalgo, a Salvadoran migrant who came to the US as a child, but was detained as an adult here for more than a year. If it weren't for us, these places wouldn't exist. They're making millions of dollars off of us. So the intersection between immigration detention and private prisons is over three decades old. The two largest private prison firms are CoreCivic, which was formerly known as CCA And then also Geo. The numbers of people in immigration custody have really skyrocketed under the Trump Administration. It was about 33, 000 under the Obama Administration and that's now gone up to 44, 000 people on any given night who are going to sleep in a facility that is holding them under immigration laws Private prisons, they are cashing in on President Trump's get tough policies at the border. Since President Trump's election, share prices for GEO have shot up 25 %, while CoreCivic stock is 12 % higher. Private prisons are not new, but Trump's crackdown on the border has given a big boost to the industry, and GEO and CoreCivic even gave a half a million dollars to Trump's inaugural Committee. I Donald John Trump. The companies tend to focus most of their campaign contributions and lobbying on Republican lawmakers, but not exclusively. So they certainly give to both parties and currently ICE contracts with private prisions are some of the largest revenue generators for private prison companies. For both core civic and geo group. In fact 2017 data shows ICE has become GEO and corsovics biggest customer. Providing them with about one billion dollars a year in revenue. And if I told you that immigration jails are less effective then say the family case management system And ensuring that people show up for their hearings. And that they cost about $ 4 a day, whereas immigration prisons cost between 164 and as much as 375 bucks a day. This is the $ 200 toilet seat that everybody hates. This is government waste, fraud, and abuse. This is an economic argument. But it's not just costly for American tax payers. The private prison system also squeezes money out of migrants like Carlos in detention. So one of the most shocking things to me is about representing people in ice prisons was the pricing models of these facilities. Whether it was phone rates, and the exorbitant amount of money one has to spend in order to contact a lawyer or a loved one. Whether it's the basic necessities that you need because there's a systemic underprovision of food and other daily needs. Those prices are significantly higher. [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] The only way that many of this migrants will be able to pay for all of this is if they had a job. But undocumented migrants can't be employed. Can they? Right. Well, just like there are undocumented imigrants who are being coursed and treated poorly in the fields and in the hotel industry and in the food sector. There are also undocumented imigrants who are working for the private prisons and one could say That Geo and CoreCivic are the largest employer of unauthorised labor in the country. They only pay one dollar a day, for an eight hour's work. Now you talk about getting that before the morning, serving all the detainees of this facility Clean up all the mess of the morning and do the same thing all over again to prep for lunch for $ 1, $ 1. Now Geo and Ford Civic are facing multiple lawsuits from detainees who say they were illegally forced to work for little or no pay. Andrew Free is one of the lawyers suing the company. Immigration detention is simple. It is not punishment for a crime. It is not subject to the 13th Amendment's exception on the prohibition on involuntary servitude and forced labor. So in theory, immigrant detainees cannot be forced to work. They're civil detainees, just like people who are being held in jail. Pending trial but have not yet been convicted. But you can provide certain incentives for them to work. And those incentives maybe basically equivalent to intimidation or forced labor. In a [ UNKNOWN ] companies have to provide most or all of the services provided by public prisons or detention center. Any time that they can reduce labour expenses for example by having detainees do work that otherwise they would have to pay for that's simply their business model of how they generate profit. Well according to Geo without having this dollar a day wages or forced labour programs they calmed they will no longer be able to have this contracts they've said that in several filling Some people may think that I'm exaggerating when I say that extortion is being done by companies like this in comparison to what happens in places like my country El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, being exploited, being extorted. There's not much difference. The only difference is, these people get to wear uniforms. Where they do it. GO told me in a written statement that it treats all its detainees humanely, and that comparing the care they provide to extortion in Central America is quote, the height of irresponsible, politically charged rhetoric, and it's inconceivable that a respected publication like TIME, would allow such reckless, over- the- top allegations to be aired unquestioned. Both companies say they play no role in creating immigration laws or in determining how long detainees are locked up. And [ INAUDIBLE ] statement saying quote, all work programs that are ICE detention facilities are completely voluntary and operated in full compliance with ICE standards. In several of these cases, we have laid our allegations for why any choice to work whether it's under a threat of solitary confinement or there's out of necessity to have money to buy toilet paper, is not truly a free choice Geo says even if it comes down to choosing between punishment or work, that's still a choice. Listen to this exchange between Geo's lawyer and a judge who questions the company's rationale. Disciplinary segregation can be used as a sanction for the refusal to work. They make a decision each time whether they're going to consent to work Or not. Or eat, or be put in isolation, right? I mean, slaves had a choice, right? Private prisons aren't the only ones cashing in on migrants. Shelters that house kids get about $ 250 a day for each migrant child in their custody. The Trump crack down that led to thousands of migrant children being separated from their parents is making some people rich. The New York Times is calling out an Austin based charity for allegedly making millions off migrant children. I want to follow the money here. I had the chance to interview Juan Sanchez. The CEO of Southwest Key, the shelter where Haley stayed. Sanchez had already come under fire for his 1. 5 million dollar salary. I wanted to find out if there was any other way he was profiting from his non profit business. And you don't have any financial stake in the LLC, that Southwest Key is doing business with? Or have our leases from real and that. Okay. No, but after this interview a Southwest Key representative told me mr. Sanchez, misunderstood the question. He did partly owned one of the properties that his nonprofit least from. Hailey spent nearly eight weeks in South- West Key. It took a Federal Court ruling in California to reunite her with Carlos. A federal judge has ordered the Trump administration to reunite immigrant children separated from their families at the border within 30 days [ INAUDIBLE ] Carlos and Hagley were met in Los Angeles by his sister, who hadn't seen her family since she left Honduras more than a decade ago. It's so hot. Hagley is now going to school Learning English and getting to know her long lost cousins. How do you say casa in English? Home. We are going home. We are going home. Today I'm going to be with my daughter. Right, my love? We're going to be together. Each day I have I'm going to enjoy with my daughter. Though he still doesn't have work papers, Carlos got a job and has began to send money back home. But getting this new life has come at a high price. I'm going to return my love. [ BLANK_AUDIO ] [ FOREIGN ] [ FOREIGN ] [ BLANK_AUDIO ] Months after their journey, a cloud of uncertainty still hangs over Carlos and Hailey. The pair have an attorney and almost any outcome is possible in their case. [ BLANK_AUDIO ] [ LAUGH ] But whether it's deportation and extended stay in the US or even another painful separation if one of them gets sent home, the family remains torn apart and deeply in debt from the high cost of being smuggled north. Now I look at the children that go to school. The children that go to church and it makes me miss her. because I would always go to church and have my daughter sitting with me. And now I sit by myself. So everything is different. Everything changes. Everything changes when there is a separation in this way. Everything. Do you think you would migrate? and I'm scared of what could happen on the way. My anxiousness to be with my daughter makes me say yes. But the fear of having something happen to me and then my daughter is left without me. I wouldn't want that. It's okay my love, don't worry because I love you, and I will wait for you to return someday. Mm- hm. [ MUSIC ] Is there anything you'd like to add or something I haven't asked? Not really, no, just that people shouldn't leave with that stupid dream of the United States in their heads. 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