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# J.D. Vance’s MAGA-Moderate Tightrope

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## Video: JD Vance Tries to Gaslight America Into Thinking He’s Moderate on Abortion

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_Published 2024-10-02. J.D. Vance attempted to distort his own position on abortion in the vice presidential debate on Oct. 1, suggesting that he “never supported a national ban.” In the past, he has said that he “certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally” and was “sympathetic” to the view that a national ban was needed to stop women from going to another state to get an abortion._


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## Eric Cortellessa


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Oct 2, 2024 6:45 AM UTC

J.D. Vance attempted to distort his own position on abortion in the vice presidential debate on Oct. 1, suggesting that he “never supported a national ban.” In the past, he has said that he “certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally” and was “sympathetic” to the view that a national ban was needed to stop women from going to another state to get an abortion. 

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## Eric Cortellessa


Senior Correspondent

Oct 2, 2024 6:45 AM UTC

J.D. Vance had an assignment. For months, the Republican vice presidential nominee has been dogged by controversies: from the resurfacing of his three-year-old remarks complaining about “[childless cat ladies](https://time.com/7003456/jd-vance-childless-cat-ladies-controversy/)” to his spreading the baseless claim that [Haitian migrants](https://time.com/7024456/trump-vance-haitians-charges/) are eating people’s pets. Vance’s deliberate provocations have endeared him to [Donald Trump](https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/) but haven’t shown signs of resonating with the non-MAGA segment of the electorate. He’s currently polling [the lowest](https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2024/09/30/tim-walz-jd-vance-polls-walz-remains-more-popular-than-vance-ahead-of-tuesdays-debate/) of the four major candidates. 

On Tuesday night, when Vance squared off against Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz in the [vice presidential debate](https://time.com/7027572/vance-walz-debate-top-moments-quotes/), he sought to change the narrative by dropping his rabble-rousing persona. He rarely hurled broadsides against his counterpart on stage. Instead, Vance owned the role of being Trump’s “policy attack dog”—as the campaign has dubbed him—against Vice President [Kamala Harris](https://time.com/7009317/reintroduction-of-kamala-harris/). 

The strategy became clear early on, when Walz blamed Trump for enabling Tehran’s march toward a nuclear weapon by withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal; the Iranian regime’s [breakout time](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/explainer-how-close-is-iran-having-nuclear-weapons-2024-04-18/) to develop weapons-grade uranium for a bomb is now only a matter of weeks. “Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years?” Vance shot back. “The answer is your running mate, not mine.” On the border crisis, he told Walz: “I think you wanna solve this problem, but I don’t think Kamala Harris does.”

A Yale-trained lawyer, Vance stuck mostly to policy. He spent more time lambasting Harris’ record and proposals than confronting Walz. Sources close to Vance say that was because voters rarely cast their ballots with the running mate top of mind. It was also because of the fundamental dynamics of the 2024 race. While voters already have baked-in views of Trump, Harris is less of a known commodity. To that end, both sides are racing to [define her](https://time.com/7003558/kamala-harris-views-history/) for persuadable voters in battleground states. 


Vance’s pivot was an unspoken retort to Walz calling him “[weird](https://time.com/7003835/kamala-harris-donald-trump-vance-weird-campaign-attack-democrats-republicans/)” and Democrats attacking him over his hard-right podcast commentary. That required some [rhetorical acrobatics](https://time.com/7027577/vance-walz-debate-abortion/) when discussing issues such as abortion. He denied ever supporting a national abortion ban; in 2022, [he said](https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics/kfile-jd-vance-abortion-comments/index.html) on a podcast: “I certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally.” On Tuesday night, though, he criticized his own party. “I want us, as the Republican Party, to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word,” he said. “We have to do a better job of winning back people’s trust.” 

Throughout the night, Vance attempted to strike a human tone. He spoke of his blue-collar roots growing up in southern Ohio and recounted a friend carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term. When Walz said his son witnessed a shooting, Vance said, “I’m sorry about that … Christ have mercy.” 

Since being tapped as Trump’s VP, Vance has appealed to different voters in different settings. On the trail, Vance has traveled most often to the blue wall states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, where the campaign believes he resonates with Rust Belt voters. Online, his acerbic pugilism makes him a favorite of the MAGA base. On the debate stage, Vance tried to thread the needle of attracting moderates while staying true to the America First creed. On the hot-button issue of immigration, he defended Trump’s plan for a mass deportation operation but deflected when asked whether a Trump-Vance Administration would separate children from their families.


For his part, Walz maintained his Midwestern folksiness and was less aggressive than Democrats expected him to be. He made a cringe-inducing gaffe when he said, [“I’ve become friends with school shooters.”](https://time.com/7027657/walz-friends-with-school-shooters-vp-debate-gaffe-trump-reactions-context/) But he did successfully set one trap. The Minnesota governor engineered a powerful sound bite when he asked Vance point-blank whether Trump lost the 2020 election. “Tim, I’m focused on the future,” Vance said. “Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?” Walz, who otherwise seemed unable to land a punch all night, interrupted him. “That is a damning non-answer.” 

It was a moment that reflected Vance’s complicated campaign challenge: to simultaneously assuage swing voters and energize the MAGA base without alienating his boss.


## Transcript

This issue is what's on everyone's mind. Donald Trump put this all into motion. He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned Roe versus Wade, 52 years of personal autonomy. So, in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe versus Wade. We made sure that we put women in charge of their healthcare. This is basic human right. We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many other countries in the world. This is about healthcare. In Minnesota, we are ranked first in healthcare for a reason. We trust women. We trust doctors. Well, I never supported a national ban.

I did, during when I was running for Senate in 2022, talk about setting some minimum national standard. For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in place in this country at the federal level. I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that or at least, I hope not. Though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro abortion stance, but Nora, you know, one of the things that changed, is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum in 2023, and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position. And I think that what I learned from that, Nora is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust.

So many young women would love to have families. So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships, and we have got to earn people's trust back. And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing pro family policies, making childcare more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible because we've got to do a better job at that. And that's what real leadership is. Party. We've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue, where they frankly just don't trust us.

And I think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do. I want us as a Republican Party, to be pro family in the fullest sense of the word. I want us to support fertility treatments. I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies. I want to make it easier for young families to afford a home so they can afford a place to raise that family. And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front just to give women more options. Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically, that we have a big country, and it's diverse.

And California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia. Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona, and the proper way to handle this as messy as democracy sometimes is is to let voters make these decisions, let the individual states make their abortion policy. And I think that's what makes the most sense in a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country. When you listen to Vice President Harris talk about this subject, and you hear me talk about it, you hear us talking exactly the same. Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this.

I agree with a lot of what Sender Vance said about what's happening. His running mate, though, does not, and that's the problem.

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