--- title: North Korea Nuclear Ultimatum and Truman's Hiroshima Speech description: Observers note ties between President Trump's vow to North Korea and President Truman's speech on Hiroshima, but there's more to the story. canonical: https://time.com/4893220/trump-fire-fury-truman-rain-ruin/ author: Olivia B. Waxman article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2017-08-09T17:04:08.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-02-23T16:55:13.239Z article:section: History og:title: North Korea Nuclear Ultimatum and Truman's Hiroshima Speech og:description: "Fire and fury" has drawn comparisons to the "rain of ruin" og:url: https://time.com/4893220/trump-fire-fury-truman-rain-ruin/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt720a1029210cbcba/6988d8ff86f68e52376e5ede/gettyimages-50500489.jpg?branch=production&width=3840&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 1200 og:image:height: 675 og:image:alt: Truman & Stimson og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: North Korea Nuclear Ultimatum and Truman's Hiroshima Speech twitter:description: "Fire and fury" has drawn comparisons to the "rain of ruin" twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt720a1029210cbcba/6988d8ff86f68e52376e5ede/gettyimages-50500489.jpg?branch=production&width=3840&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 ---  # What to Know Before You Compare Truman's Hiroshima Statement to Trump's North Korea Ultimatum  by [Olivia B. Waxman](https://time.com/author/olivia-b-waxman/)  ## Olivia B. Waxman Staff Writer Aug 9, 2017 5:04 PM UTC  Harry S. Truman and Secretary of War Henry Stimson preparing to sign the ratification of the UN Charter in 1945. Harry S. Truman and Secretary of War Henry Stimson preparing to sign the ratification of the UN Charter in 1945.George Skadding/The LIFE Picture Collection—Getty Images  by [Olivia B. Waxman](https://time.com/author/olivia-b-waxman/)  ## Olivia B. Waxman Staff Writer Aug 9, 2017 5:04 PM UTC Following new [reports](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/north-korea-now-making-missile-ready-nuclear-weapons-us-analysts-say/2017/08/08/e14b882a-7b6b-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed%5Fstory.html?utm%5Fterm=.67f743d2c43d) on North Korea’s rapid development of intercontinental ballistic missiles, which analysts say now include a miniature nuclear warhead, President Donald Trump [said](http://time.com/4892102/donald-trump-north-korea-news/?xid=homepage) on Tuesday that Pyongyang has reason to stop any further nuclear posturing. “North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States,” the President said from his golf resort in Bedminster, N.J. “They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.” Observers quickly[ related his remarks](https://twitter.com/MajorCBS/status/895012376889757697) to President Harry S. Truman’s fiery rhetoric in a statement 72 years ago, in which Truman announced toward the end of World War II that [the U.S. had dropped](http://time.com/4346336/atomic-bombs-1945-history/) an atomic bomb on Hiroshima. The parallel has proved particularly ripe for consideration given that Wednesday marks the anniversary of the [bombing](http://time.com/after-the-bomb/) of Nagasaki. In that statement, the President warned Japan to further “expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth,” if they did not agree to end the war on U.S. terms. (Truman was traveling at the time, so Secretary of War Henry Stimson released the statement to the public on Aug. 6, 1945, less than a day after the bomb was dropped. The full text of the statement can be read below.) _MORE:_ [_The U.S. Contemplated a Nuclear Confrontation in North Korea in 1953_](http://time.com/4740969/nuclear-north-korea-history-1953/) However, despite the rhetorical similarities between the “rain of ruin” and the “fire and fury,” [presidential historians](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/us/politics/trumps-harsh-language-on-north-korea-has-little-precedent-experts-say.html?smid=tw-share) like Michael Beschloss say Trump’s language has been unusually harsh considering the context, noting that President John F. Kennedy’s statements during the Cuban Missile Crisis were more muted and that President Dwight D. Eisenhower made a point of not matching the provocative tone of Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev. Furthermore, historical details reveal a complicated context that surrounded Truman’s threat and the advent of the atomic age. For one thing, evidence suggests that — even though he remains the only President in history to have actually presided over the military use of an atomic bomb — Truman was in fact uncomfortable with the use of nuclear weapons. His journal entries later showed that Truman thought the bomb would be used in a very specific way, as a strike against the military, not civilians. “I have told the Sec. of War, Mr. Stimson, to use it so that military objectives and soldiers and sailors are the target and not women and children,” he [wrote](http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp%5Ftextbook.cfm?smtID=3&psid=1186) on July 25, 1945\. “Even if the \[Japanese\] are savages, ruthless, merciless and fanatic, we as the leader of the world for the common welfare cannot drop that terrible bomb on the old capital or the new. \[Stimson\] and I are in accord. The target will be a purely military one.” As historian Alex Wellerstein has [argued](http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2014/08/08/kyoto-misconception/), documents such as these show that Truman perhaps did not understand the extent of the damage that would be done by the bomb. _MORE:_ [_The Origins of North Korea’s Nuclear Program_](http://time.com/4692045/north-korea-nuclear-weapons-history/) Historians also question how confident Truman was with the decision to authorize the bomb in the first place. William Johnston, professor of History at Wesleyan University, pointed out in a [2015 _Hartford Courant_ op-ed](http://www.courant.com/opinion/editorials/hc-op-hiroshima-truman-changed-story-about-bombings-20150804-story.html) that on Aug. 10 — a day after another a-bomb had been dropped on Nagasaki — Secretary of Commerce Henry A. Wallace noted in his diary: “Truman said he had given orders to stop the bombing. He said the thought of wiping out another 100,000 people was too horrible. He didn’t like the idea of killing, as he said, ‘all those kids.'” George Marshall, the Army’s Chief of Staff, noted the same day that the bomb “is not to be released on Japan without express authority from the president.” As Manhattan Project Director General Leslie Groves put it, “As far as I was concerned, his decision was one of noninterference — basically a decision not to upset the existing plans.” Thus, Johnston argues that, while President Truman inherited a plan to use the bombs, his “first explicit decision” on the matter was the order _not_ to use them without his permission. Nevertheless, in [public](http://bcps.nbclearn.com/portal/site/k-12/flatview?cuecard=4962) at least, Truman remained a staunch defender of the decision to use them to bring an end to World War II, a calculation he put into words in that 1945 statement. _Read the full text of the statement, as preserved by the_ [_American Presidency Project,_](http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=12169) _here:_ --- > “” --- ```json [{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","@id":"https://time.com/4893220/trump-fire-fury-truman-rain-ruin/","mainEntityOfPage":{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https://time.com/4893220/trump-fire-fury-truman-rain-ruin/"},"headline":"What to Know Before You Compare Truman's Hiroshima Statement to Trump's North Korea Ultimatum","datePublished":"2017-08-09T17:04:08.000Z","dateModified":"2026-02-23T16:55:13.239Z","description":"Observers note ties between President Trump's vow to North Korea and President Truman's statement on Hiroshima, but there's more to the story","url":"https://time.com/4893220/trump-fire-fury-truman-rain-ruin/","keywords":["conflict","politics","White House","Nuclear Weapons","Foreign Relations"],"thumbnailUrl":"https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt720a1029210cbcba/6988d8ff86f68e52376e5ede/gettyimages-50500489.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=1200:675&height=675","author":[{"@type":"Person","name":"Olivia B. 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