--- title: Star Wars Versus Star Trek: Michael Kaplan Costume Designer description: Michael Kaplan, the costume designer for Star Wars: The Force Awakens, has also worked with J.J. Abrams on his two rebooted Star Trek films. canonical: https://time.com/4132822/michael-kaplan-costumes-star-wars-vs-star-trek/ author: TIME Staff article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2015-12-07T13:00:37.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-08-19T07:41:53.188Z article:section: Entertainment og:title: This Will Give You a Whole New Perspective on Star Wars vs. Star Trek og:description: "Star Wars is a fantasy and Star Trek is science fiction" og:url: https://time.com/4132822/michael-kaplan-costumes-star-wars-vs-star-trek/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltaf0e4a6bc4f1506c/698873ce196cf4416a0394c0/star-wars-star-trek.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 2797 og:image:height: 1573 og:image:alt: star-wars-star-trek og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: This Will Give You a Whole New Perspective on Star Wars vs. Star Trek twitter:description: "Star Wars is a fantasy and Star Trek is science fiction" twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltaf0e4a6bc4f1506c/698873ce196cf4416a0394c0/star-wars-star-trek.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 ---  # This Will Give You a Whole New Perspective on _Star Wars_ Versus _Star Trek_ > Sponsored content. 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For the latest issue of TIME, Marco Grob photographed the cast members of_ by [TIME Staff](https://time.com/author/time-staff/) ## TIME Staff Dec 7, 2015 1:00 PM UTC  Star Wars: Episode VII (L); Star Trek: Into Darkness Star Wars: Episode VII (L); Star Trek: Into Darkness Lucasfilm (L); Paramount Pictures by [TIME Staff](https://time.com/author/time-staff/) ## TIME Staff Dec 7, 2015 1:00 PM UTC Michael Kaplan, the costume designer for _Star Wars: The Force Awakens_, has also worked with director J.J. Abrams on other projects, including 2009’s _Star Trek_ and 2013’s _Star Trek Into Darkness_. During a recent conversation with Lev Grossman for TIME’s recent [cover story](http://time.com/4134371/how-j-j-abrams-brought-back-star-wars/), Kaplan offered his take on how the worlds of the two cult franchises differ. **TIME: I wonder if you could compare and contrast the feel of the costumes in the** **_Star Trek_** **universe with the feel of them in the** **_Star Wars_** **universe because those two worlds feel very different to me and I’m wondering if the clothes are part of it.** Kaplan: They’re very different. _Star Wars_ is a fantasy and _Star Trek_ is science fiction, and each has a very strong iconography and I think they’re very separate. On both films I had to discard really good ideas because they seemed as though they had come from the other world. We’d look at something and say, “no, that’s much too _Star Wars_,” when I was on _Star Trek_ or vice versa. I think _Star Trek_ has bit of a cool, mod pop sensibility, probably because of the time it was created, and _Star Wars_ is much more gritty and earthier, and definitely epic. **It’s funny,** **_Star Wars_** **is so much its own world and its own universe, and yet it’s also a period piece; it came out of the 1970s. Fashion has changed so much since the first** **_Star Wars_** **movie was made. Did fashions in the real world influence the kind of clothes, the way you dressed the characters in the** **_Star Wars_** **world? I mean, we come into the theater with different expectations of what we’ll see. Did you have to sort of fit it into the 2015 kind of universe?** Not really because it is a fantasy. It doesn’t have to fit into any universe except the universe we now know as the _Star Wars_ universe. That wasn’t the case when the original movies were being made, but now it’s become so iconic. I think the underlying 1970s style is so integral in the original three movies that I tried to inject that feeling into this new film. So in a strange way I’ve kind of taken that as part of the iconography, and in 2015 I’m kind of taking that fantasy 70s feeling and trying to hold onto that. **Read next:** * [Here’s How Adam Driver Learned to Master the Dark Side](http://time.com/4129579/adam-driver-masters-dark-side-star-wars-the-force-awakens/?xid=tcoshare) * [Gwendoline Christie on Why Her _Star Wars_ Costume Is a ‘Step Forward’ for Women](http://time.com/4129483/gwendoline-christie-star-wars-the-force-awakens-captain-phasma-costume/) * [The 10 Most Fascinating _Star Wars: The Force Awakens_ Fan Theories](http://time.com/4116403/star-wars-force-awakens-fan-theories/) ## Transcript If you would have told me a couple weeks ago that I was touched by a robot I would have laughed, I think they scare me more than anything else. Well, when I met BB- 8, it's even weird to say that, when I met BB- 8, whoever designed that thing They are geniuses. Hello. They almost build up some form of real human connection. It has an eye, one eye. It has this really cute way of looking at you. It's just incredible. As a result, the photo of course brings over that character. [ MUSIC ] You get almost starstruck when you meet R2- D2. You have seen that thing since the beginning of my life almost. It was really special. My name is Marco Grab. I'm a photographer. I'm contract photographer for Time Magazine. And I had the honor to photograph all the cast members of the new Star Wars movie. [ MUSIC ] When I got this assignment, I kinda had to think of how I wanna do justice to every single person and then still within the legacy of Star Wars. After all, it's about the actors more than about the characters they play in the film. [ MUSIC ] At the last. Let it go. I like to play with psychological barriers often. Not to expose them at all. It's more how is it to be so close to Harrison Ford? And in order to show the person that looks at the photograph, I have to be physically so close to Harrison Ford. That is the one chance photography has to show us something we would not have normally access to. [ MUSIC ] So we have all a built in default position for how far we wanna stand in front of somebody to have a conversation with him or her. And if you go closer than that, that always results in some form of reaction. It's somewhat going into their defense sphere. It makes people extremely vulnerable. I kind of like to play with that sometimes. To photograph Daisy and John, the youngest of the two actors, They have more attention right now then probably any other actor has or will have in the next couple years. It showed when you worked with them they were very open and giving and it was fun to work with them, and it's also nice to be there in a very specifically important time in their life. For me Star Wars is hundreds of people trying to push the envelope. People take enormous risks in creative and in technical aspects to do things we've never seen before. In a way nobody would have imagined to ever seen. That is for me the most important about it because I love when people take leaps into the unknown. [ UNKNOWN ] touches millions, millions of lives over the next decades. 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