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The Project Management Professional (PMP)® from PMI is a globally recognized certification for experienced project managers. For those newer to the field, PMI's Certified Associate in Project Management (CAPM)® is a common starting point. Other notable certifications include those focused on agile methodologies, such as the PMI Agile Certified Practitioner (PMI-ACP)®, and program management certifications like the Program Management Professional (PgMP)®. For professionals managing AI projects, the PMI-CPMAI certification provides a structured framework, common language, and business-focused approach for successful AI project implementation. #### How does PMI support career growth for professionals? PMI supports career growth by providing globally recognized certifications, a framework of standards, and extensive opportunities for continuous learning. Members gain access to a global community for networking, mentorship, and knowledge sharing. The organization also produces research and thought leadership on emerging trends, helping professionals stay current with skills in areas like AI, agile practices, and strategic business management. These resources are designed to help professionals at all levels enhance their skills and advance their careers. #### What is the PMBOK® Guide? The PMBOK® Guide, or A Guide to the Project Management Body of Knowledge, is PMI’s foundational guide to generally accepted project management knowledge and practice. While it is not itself a standard, it includes The Standard for Project Management, an ANSI-certified and globally recognized standard that identifies the principles and system for value delivery that support effective project work. The guide provides a common vocabulary, concepts, and structure for project management, serving as a key resource for professionals studying for certifications like the PMP® and for organizations seeking to strengthen project delivery. #### How is AI changing project management? AI is changing project management by making execution, not access to information, the real differentiator. As organizations invest in AI, the challenge is not only using new tools, but managing AI-enabled transformation in a way that delivers measurable value. Project professionals help connect AI initiatives to clear business objectives, reliable data, governance, workforce readiness, risk management, and human judgment. 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The PMP is for experienced project managers and requires a combination of formal education and years of documented project leadership experience, making it a more advanced and globally recognized certification. #### How does PMI support social impact? PMI supports social impact by helping individuals, nonprofits, NGOs, and communities use project management to turn purpose into measurable outcomes. Through the PMI Educational Foundation, PMI expands access to project management education for youth worldwide, including underserved and underrepresented populations. Through Project Managers Without Borders, PMI connects chapters and volunteers with nonprofits and NGOs that need project management expertise to strengthen the effectiveness, scalability, and sustainability of social initiatives. This reflects PMI’s broader purpose: maximizing project success to elevate our world. ### Sources * Project Management Institute | [pmi.org](/c/pmi-2026-q3/home?i=160bef8b-c7f0-4a2d-a08f-066e1da4eac9&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI, "Earning Power: Project Management Salary Survey—Fourteenth Edition" | [pmi.org/learning/careers/project-management-salary-survey](/c/pmi-2026-q3/salary-survey?i=160bef8b-c7f0-4a2d-a08f-066e1da4eac9&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI, "Global Project Management Talent Gap" | [pmi.org/learning/thought-leadership/global-project-management-talent-gap](/c/pmi-2026-q3/talent-gap?i=160bef8b-c7f0-4a2d-a08f-066e1da4eac9&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI, "Maximizing Project Success" | [pmi.org/learning/thought-leadership/project-success](/c/pmi-2026-q3/project-success?i=160bef8b-c7f0-4a2d-a08f-066e1da4eac9&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI, “Pulse Report 2025: Boosting Business Acumen” | [pmi.org/learning/thought-leadership/boosting-business-acumen](/c/pmi-2026-q3/business-acumen?i=160bef8b-c7f0-4a2d-a08f-066e1da4eac9&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI, “Pulse of the Profession® 2026: Driving Success in Complex Projects” | [pmi.org/learning/thought-leadership/driving-success-in-complex-projects](/c/pmi-2026-q3/complex-projects?i=160bef8b-c7f0-4a2d-a08f-066e1da4eac9&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI, “Step Up: Redefining the Path to Project Success with M.O.R.E.” | [pmi.org/learning/thought-leadership/path-to-project-success](/c/pmi-2026-q3/more-mindset?i=160bef8b-c7f0-4a2d-a08f-066e1da4eac9&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI Education Foundation, PMIEF 2024 Annual Report, [pmi.org PMIEF 2024 Annual Report (PDF)](/c/pmi-2026-q3/pmief-report?i=160bef8b-c7f0-4a2d-a08f-066e1da4eac9&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) ### FAQ structured data (JSON-LD, optional) by [Victor Luckerson](https://time.com/author/victor-luckerson/) ## Victor Luckerson Aug 13, 2015 7:01 PM UTC  Muppets at a charity event in New York City in 2012. Muppets at a charity event in New York City in 2012.Andrew H. Walker—Getty Images by [Victor Luckerson](https://time.com/author/victor-luckerson/) ## Victor Luckerson Aug 13, 2015 7:01 PM UTC HBO is mostly known for its high-minded dramas like _Game of Thrones_ and cynical comedies like _Silicon Valley_. But Thursday’s announcement that the cable network is licensing five seasons’ worth of perennial kids’ favorite _Sesame Street_ illustrates how badly the network needs children’s programming, too. HBO will be the new first-stop home for Big Bird and co., with Sesame Workshop expanding their seasons from 18 episodes to 35\. It will also produce a spinoff series as well as a brand new original series. All the episodes of classic _Sesame Street_ will continue to appear on public broadcaster PBS nine months after their HBO debut. Why does HBO want Cookie Monster and Elmo so badly? It’s all about Internet-based TV. Though HBO is still predominantly a cable network, the Sesame Street deal is really about securing the channel’s future as a streaming destination. The newly launched HBO Now, which lets users buy HBO without a cable subscription, is competing directly with streaming mainstays like Netflix and Amazon Prime Instant Video. And those services figured out long ago that hooking kids is key to growing their subscriber bases. ### James Earl Jones James Earl Jones was the second guest star on _Sesame Street_, appearing on the second ever episode. His job was simple — deliver the alphabet slowly and clearly — and he completed the task with the professionalism of a Broadway star. Which, of course, he was: He took home the Tony that same year for his performance in _A Great White Hope_. His rendition of the alphabet is among the best enunciated and most emotive the show has ever seen, but that’s to be expected from one of the most famous voices of the 20th century. ### Billy Crystal In one of the show’s more obvious appeals to mature viewers, Billy Crystal appeared in 1984 as his recurring _Saturday Night Live_ character Ricky. One half of a [duo](https://screen.yahoo.com/phil-ricky-super-sunday-000000968.html) with Christopher Guest, Crystal’s Ricky dons a monogrammed bowling shirt and responds to every other event with a goofy laugh and an incredulous exclamation of “Unbelievable!” This catchphrase made him a suitable guest to teach kids about the letter “U,” which he approached with his signature bewilderment: “Am I dreamin’ or what?” ### Lily Tomlin Lily Tomlin played a recurring character, 5-and-a-half-year-old Edith Ann, on _Sesame Street_. In the late 1970s when she appeared on the show, Tomlin’s movie career was picking up steam. She’d been nominated for an Oscar for her role in _Nashville_ and would star as secretary Violet Newhall in the 1980 box office smash _9 to 5_. As Edith Ann, though, Tomlin squirmed around in an oversized chair, sharing stories of her life at home with her bullying big sister, her fighting parents and her dog Buster. In this clip, she tells the fateful tale of an experimental sandwich so vile that even her dog wouldn’t touch it. She closed all her monologues with a smile, a raspberry and her signature tagline: “And that’s the truth.” ### Robin Williams Robin Williams visited _Sesame Street_ on multiple occasions, but this sketch has perhaps the most winning combination of humor and heart. Williams’ slapstick monologue about all the imaginative ways you can put a stick to use plays almost like one of his stand-up routines, only the raunchiness is turned down to zero and the language is a smidge less colorful. In less than two minutes he plays a pool shark, an English officer and a handful of other characters worthy of a _Saturday Night Live_ sketch. But most notable is the lesson he teaches Elmo: that of all the countless ways he can use the stick, the most important thing he can do is to give it to his friend. ### Richard Pryor During his 1976 appearance, the comedian takes a slightly more casual approach than James Earl Jones, ad libbing on the different letters’ personalities (“M was cool,” but “T was mean”). It’s nonsensical and perhaps more confusing to a young child than educational. But it’s important for kids to learn that strange can be good, too. ### Marisa Tomei In this appearance, her first of several on the show, Marisa Tomei embraces her Brooklyn roots with a story about a waitress in Bensonhurst. Reading and acting out a version of “The Frog Prince” tailored to monkey friends Davey and Joey, Tomei plays a gum-smacking, hair-up-to-there server in a fast food restaurant. Tomei did, in fact, work for a short time at a Brooklyn restaurant, and her heavy accent here calls to mind her character in _My Cousin Vinny_, for which she won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress. ### Patrick Stewart Patrick Stewart [described](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1092946.stm) his guest stint on _Sesame Street_ as one of the “most distinguished bits of work that I’ve done in the U.S.” (the other was appearing on _The Simpsons_). He plays a sophisticated thespian in this 2001 reimagining of Hamlet’s soliloquy as an ode to the letter “B” (“ ‘B’ or not a ‘B?’”). In the sketch, a dramatically lit Stewart ponders in Shakespearean English “whether ‘tis the second letter of the alphabet, or some other merry letter.” It’s a fitting role for an actor many know best as _Star Trek_’s Captain Picard. Stewart, in fact, began his career with a run in the prestigious Royal Shakespeare Company. ### Feist Feist’s “1234” served a couple of purposes after its initial release as a single. First, it turned out to be a perfect ditty for selling iPod Nanos. And after that, _Sesame Street_ repurposed it to teach kids how to count. At least, to four. Feist’s comfort on set with counting chickens and penguins is likely due to her teen years apprenticing at Calgary’s Old Trout Puppet Theater, whose puppetry she later used in her [music video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rWpHqEtKn8) for “Honey Honey.” ### Janelle Monáe The “Tightrope” singer’s visit to _Sesame Street_ in 2013 brought some soul to the set. Donning her usual uniform — a tailored tuxedo with hair piled neatly atop her head — Monáe sang “The Power of Yet,” encouraging the puppets to keep working toward their goals. She [told _Billboard_](http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/5869591/janelle-monae-visits-sesame-street-exclusive-behind-the-scenes) that performing on the show was living a dream; having grown up in the late ‘80s and ‘90s, Monáe likely spent her childhood watching the show. ### Johnny Cash Johnny Cash’s 1975 children’s album, aptly named _The Johnny Cash Children’s Album_, may not be one of the country icon’s most famous, but it did help land him an appearance on the fifth season of _Sesame Street_. In the first of several guest spots, Cash serenades Oscar the Grouch with a song about “Nasty Dan,” whose company Oscar decides he’d very much enjoy. Oscar also takes a liking to Cash, calling him “my kinda guy,” and mistaking him, briefly, for Johnny Trash. ### Lupita Nyong’o First comes the Academy Award, next comes the _Sesame Street_ appearance. This past September, the _12 Years a Slave_ actress joined Elmo to talk about skin: how it protects us, helps us feel things and “comes in lots of beautiful shades and colors.” The pair agree that they love the skin they’re in, a lovely (and presumably coincidental) repurposing of Olay’s slogan to teach children about tolerance and self-respect. Next up, Nyong’o will appear in another decades-old institution: _Star Wars_. In 2012, Netflix inked an estimated $300-million-per-year deal for first-run rights to Disney movies starting next year, which will give the streaming service access to a trove of high-profile animated releases. In 2013, the company signed a deal with Dreamworks for 300 hours of original kids’ programming. These efforts have already paid off. Last fall, Netflix said that more than 75 of its kids’ shows had attracted more than 2 million viewers, with [more than a dozen](http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/13/media/netflix-kids-interview/) attracting at least 5 million viewers in the U.S. Amazon has similarly made big investments in kids’ content on Prime Instant Video. Half of the company’s original programs are for kids, and its multiyear deal for programming from Viacom was driven by Amazon’s desire for children’s shows from Nickelodeon and Nick Jr. “The data shows that when you put compelling kids’ content on the service, it helps us acquire more Prime members,” Brad Beale, the director of content acquisition for Amazon Digital Video, [told TIME](http://business.time.com/2013/06/29/how-kids-will-help-decide-the-future-of-television/) after that deal. Kids’ shows are a solid investment for many reasons. Children tend to rewatch shows repeatedly, meaning a service can get a lot of mileage out of a single program. They also have no preconceptions about the “right” way to watch TV. Sesame Workshop chief Jeff Dunn told the [Wall Street ](http://www.wsj.com/articles/hbo-strikes-deal-for-sesame-street-1439478489)[_Journal_](http://www.wsj.com/articles/hbo-strikes-deal-for-sesame-street-1439478489) that two-thirds of the show’s child viewers first see Sesame Street through a streaming service or video-on-demand now. Overall, kids aged two to 11 are watching about eight hours of Internet video per month in 2015, according to Nielsen, up from 4.5 hours in early 2013. By adding _Sesame Street_ to its lineup, HBO is showing it thinks its brand appeal can stretch beyond adults craving premium, high-budget TV. With kids being such an essential part of competing streaming service’s lineup, expect more deals that appeal to the youngest television fans in the future. ### Meet the Man Behind Sesame Street's Big Bird  Caroll Spinney joined Sesame Street in its inaugural 1969 season playing both Big Bird and Oscar the Grouch. Courtesy Robert Fuhring  In the first year of Sesame Street, Oscar the Grouch was orange. Courtesy Debra Spinney  Caroll Spinney and Jim Henson are seen on the set of Sesame Street in 1969, the first year of the show. Courtesy Bill Pierce  Caroll Spinney with Oscar the Grouch and Picklepuss, one of his first puppet creations. Courtesy Debra Spinney  Caroll Spinney tests a puppet in the concept stage. Courtesy Debra Spinney  Caroll Spinney filming Big Bird in China with Lisa Ouyang. Courtesy Debra Spinney  Caroll Spinney with his children and Oscar the Grouch at his child's birthday party. Courtesy Debra Spinney  Caroll Spinney and Oscar the Grouch shooting Sesame Street in Hawaii. Courtesy Gary Miller  Caroll Spinney takes a break from shooting a cameo in The Muppet Movie. Courtesy Debra Spinney  Caroll Spinney with First Lady Hillary Clinton on Sesame Street. Spinney has worked with all the first ladies since the Nixon administration. Courtesy Sesame Workshop  Caroll Spinney is seen with First Lady Michelle Obama. Spinney is a distant cousin of President Barack Obama. Courtesy Richard Termine—Sesame Workshop  Caroll Spinney performs on a recent season of Sesame Street and continues to perform as Big Bird and Oscar to this day. 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