--- title: Obama Uses N-Word to Talk About Race With Marc Maron on WTF Podcast description: "It's not just a matter of it not being polite to say n-gger in public. That's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not" canonical: https://time.com/3929917/obama-n-word-marc-maron-podcast-interview/ author: Sam Frizell article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2015-06-22T12:30:18.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-08-19T07:43:36.743Z article:section: Politics og:title: Obama Uses N-Word to Talk About Race With Marc Maron on WTF Podcast og:description: "It's not just a matter of it not being polite to say n-gger in public. 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SAUL LOEB—AFP/Getty Images by [Sam Frizell](https://time.com/author/sam-frizell/) ## Sam Frizell Jun 22, 2015 12:30 PM UTC President Barack Obama had some frank words about the persistence of racism in the United States during a podcast [interview with comedian Marc Maron released Monday](http://www.wtfpod.com/), addressing directly some of his frustration with the slow progress of healing race relations. “Racism: we’re not cured of it,” President Obama said on [Maron’s “WTF” podcast](http://www.wtfpod.com/). “It’s not just a matter of it not being polite to say n-gger in public. That’s not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. It’s not just a matter of overt discrimination.” Obama’s words come just days after a white man shot and killed nine people in a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina. The shooting has prompted many to revisit America’s complex racial history. The president acknowledged the ongoing pervasiveness of racism in the United States, acknowledging the pace of progress can feel slow. “The legacy of slavery, Jim Crow and discrimination in almost every institution of our lives—that casts a long shadow. Thats still part of our DNA,” Obama said. “Societies don’t overnight completely erase everything that happened two-to-three hundred years prior.” Obama echoed his words earlier this week on gun violence in the states, saying that the country must implement “common-sense gun safety laws.” “I’ve done this way too often during the course of my presidency. It feels as if a couple times a year, I end up having to speak to the country and to speak to a particular community about a devastating loss,” Obama said. “It’s not enough just to feel bad.” Speaking like a president approaching the end of his tenure, he looked back too on some of the frustrations of his time in office more than six years since he ran for president on a message of hope and change. “When I ran in 2008, there were those posters out there. ‘Hope,’ and ‘change.’ Those are capturing aspirations about where we should be going as a society. A society that’s more just. A society that’s more equal.” “How do we operationalize those abstract concepts into something really concrete?” Obama continued. “As soon as you have to start talking about specifics, then the world’s complicated… It turns out the trajectory of progress always happens in fits and starts.” ### See Photos of Barack Obama in College  Chance Encounter In 1980, when Obama was a freshman at Occidental College in Los Angeles, he was approached by an aspiring photographer named Lisa Jack, who asked him if he would be willing to pose for some black and white photographs that she could use in her portfolio. Lisa Jack  Handsome Of her first meeting (in a campus eatery) with Obama, Jack remembers only that "He was really cute. But what else does a 20-year-old girl remember?" Lisa Jack  Styled In the photos, Jack says, "You can see he is just posing, initially, but as the shoot goes on, he starts to come out. He was very charismatic even then." Lisa Jack  Prop Jack never realized her dream of becoming a photographer and is now a psychologist. Lisa Jack  Pose Jack and Obama would see each other only a few more times while students. But in 2005, while on a tour, she spotted Obama on Capitol Hill and yelled hello. "He knew exactly who I was after all this time," Jack says. "I was amazed." Lisa Jack  Doubt On a dare from a skeptical friend, Jack decided to track down her negatives from the shoot. Lisa Jack  Searcher Initially, before she dug the film out from her basement, Jack never thought her pictures would have much life beyond her own darkroom. Lisa Jack  Smile When she found them, the images of Obama "blew me away," she says. "I had no idea I'd taken a whole roll of film." Lisa Jack  Charm For a while, Jack put the negatives in a safety-deposit box, so that they could not be used until after the election, when there would be no chance they could be used for a political purpose.  Thoughtful Today, Jack says, she hopes the photos reveal a "spirit of fun and thoughtfulness." Lisa Jack  The Man Who Would Be President "I'm not political," Jack says, "(But) these are historic photos and they should be shared." 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