--- title: Joanna Newsom Calls Spotify a 'Garbage System' description: "The business is built from the ground up as a way to circumvent the idea of paying their artists," she says canonical: https://time.com/4077386/joanna-newsom-spotify/ author: Nolan Feeney article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2015-10-17T16:06:46.000Z article:modified_time: 2024-01-24T13:23:48.000Z article:section: Entertainment og:title: Joanna Newsom Calls Spotify a 'Villainous Cabal of Major Labels' og:description: "The business is…a way to circumvent the idea of paying their artists" og:url: https://time.com/4077386/joanna-newsom-spotify/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt21afbf3575d43c6e/698868bf0b72e3c5ef6e660b/gettyimages-462223320.jpg?branch=production&width=3840&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 1200 og:image:height: 675 og:image:alt: GettyImages-462223320 og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: Joanna Newsom Calls Spotify a 'Villainous Cabal of Major Labels' twitter:description: "The business is…a way to circumvent the idea of paying their artists" twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt21afbf3575d43c6e/698868bf0b72e3c5ef6e660b/gettyimages-462223320.jpg?branch=production&width=3840&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 ---  # Joanna Newsom Calls Spotify a 'Villainous Cabal of Major Labels'  by [Nolan Feeney](/author/nolan-feeney/)  ## Nolan Feeney Updated: Jan 24, 2024 1:23 PM CUTPublished: Oct 17, 2015 4:06 PM CUT  Joanna Newsom attends the 21st Annual Screen Actors Guild Awards on Jan. 25, 2015 in Los Angeles. Joanna Newsom attends the 21st Annual Screen Actors Guild Awards on Jan. 25, 2015 in Los Angeles.Frazer Harrison—Getty Images  by [Nolan Feeney](/author/nolan-feeney/)  ## Nolan Feeney Updated: Jan 24, 2024 1:23 PM CUTPublished: Oct 17, 2015 4:06 PM CUT Mega pop stars like Taylor Swift [aren’t the only ones](http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-joanna-newsom-spotify-villainous-cabal-garbage-system-20151015-story.html "undefined") leading the debate about whether Spotify is fair to songwriters. Joanna Newsom, a critically acclaimed harpist and singer-songwriter who also appeared in _Inherent Vice_, said the streaming service is a “garbage system” and a “villainous cabal of major labels” in an interview with the _Los Angeles Times_ pegged to the release of her new album, _Divers_, which arrives later this month. Speaking with the _Times_, Newsom accuses record labels of stacking the deck against artists in response to declining revenue from the digital music revolution of the late ’90s and early 2000s. “Someone came up with a great idea that if they start a streaming company…they can make their money from advertising and subscription, and they don’t have to pay their artists anything for that,” she says. “So it’s set up in a way that they can just rob their artists, and most of their artists have no way to fight it because they’re contractually obligated to stay with the label for x amount of time and you can’t really opt out.” Newsom’s comments hint at the lack of transparency about how labels share streaming revenue with their artists. That’s something John Seabrook touched on in his recent book _The Song Machine: Inside The Hit Factory_, which was adapted from his pieces about pop music for _The New Yorker_. “Month by month, Spotify pays the major labels lump sums for the entire market share of their catalogues,” [he wrote last year](http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/24/revenue-streams "undefined"). “While Spotify gives detailed data to the labels, the labels ultimately decide how to share that information with their artists…artists and songwriters basically have to trust that labels and publishers will deal with them honestly, which history suggests is a sucker’s bet.” In a statement, Spotify’s global head of communications and public policy, Jonathan Prince, responded to Newsom’s comments: --- > “” --- ```json [{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","@id":"https://time.com/4077386/joanna-newsom-spotify/","mainEntityOfPage":{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https://time.com/4077386/joanna-newsom-spotify/"},"headline":"Joanna Newsom Calls Spotify a 'Villainous Cabal of Major Labels'","datePublished":"2015-10-17T16:06:46.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-24T13:23:48.000Z","description":"\"The business is built from the ground up as a way to circumvent the idea of paying their artists\"","url":"https://time.com/4077386/joanna-newsom-spotify/","keywords":["Music","Spotify"],"thumbnailUrl":"https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt21afbf3575d43c6e/698868bf0b72e3c5ef6e660b/gettyimages-462223320.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=1200:675&height=675","author":[{"@type":"Person","name":"Nolan Feeney","jobTitle":null,"url":"https://time.com/author/nolan-feeney/"}],"articleSection":"Entertainment","image":[{"@type":"ImageObject","url":"https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt21afbf3575d43c6e/698868bf0b72e3c5ef6e660b/gettyimages-462223320.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=1200:675&height=675","width":1200,"height":675,"headline":"GettyImages-462223320","caption":"attends the 21st Annual Screen Actors Guild Awards at The Shrine Auditorium on January 25, 2015 in Los Angeles, California.","creditText":"Frazer Harrison—Getty Images","representativeOfPage":true}],"publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"Time","url":"https://time.com/","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","url":"https://time.com/images/logo.png","width":528,"height":156},"foundingDate":"March 3, 1923","sameAs":["https://www.facebook.com/time","https://www.instagram.com/time/?hl=en","https://twitter.com/time","https://www.pinterest.com/timemagazine"]}},{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"BreadcrumbList","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"item":{"@id":"/section/entertainment/","name":"Entertainment"}},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"item":{"@id":"https://time.com/4077386/joanna-newsom-spotify/","name":"Joanna Newsom Calls Spotify a 'Villainous Cabal of Major Labels'"}}]}] ```