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They are at time.com/newsletters and are separate from a paid subscription. ## Video: TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 3 [Watch (HLS stream): TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 3](https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/vx62RRLX.m3u8) (6:29)  _Published 2011-11-17. Part 3 of TIME's panel discussion with Mario Batali, Jesse Eisenberg, Anita Hill, Seth Meyers, Grover Norquist and Brian Williams on who should be the 2011 Person of the Year_ --- Jul 27, 2023 3:19 PM UTC --- ## More From This Series [All Videos](https://time.com/video/) [TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 2](/video/mLLs1DNM/) ### TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 2 [TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 4](/video/E9doK1ai/) ### TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 4 [TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 6](/video/wxZQLhKO/) ### TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 6 --- ## Transcript So, Jess, I'm gonna ask everybody this question, but I'll put you on the spot first. We sometimes do bad guys. A few years ago we did a lot of [ INAUDIBLE ], who I don't think is anybody's definition of a good guy. We've done Stalin, we've done Hitler. Is there a, and it has been a difficult year. Is there a bad guy? I mean, if I asked all of you, I'd love to ask all of you to chime in. Who would be, who would be the, the, the person or the entity or the thing, and in a way Mario you've already pointed to the bankers. That you would say okay, this idea or this person should be person of the year because of how they. Not only the way that they made a change in the way we think but how they've heard us this past year? well, you know, one of the really good news stories to come out this year is a lot of those people are going to hurt a lot of people a lot less and those are the autocrats that have been toppled in the Arab world. And you know, you could choose your pick. But you know, the good news from these wonderful movements that I was talking about earlier is that these people have a lot less power. And I mean and also, you know, looking at technology which has been discussed a lot here. The way that, you know, what we were able to see two weeks ago, the downfall of Cardaffi you know, from cell phone cameras. It's just incredible and I think really empowering So, to, whoever is going to rise out of there, and whoever's been part of the movement to topple him. I think that technology what, what the technology has provided, I think is really empowering, as much as it is very painful to watch. Yes, so let's hear it. Who, who is, who's your bad guy, Grover? Well I, I'd twin two. One, Osama bin Laden, who passed away this year. Who thought that the Muslim world should have a, a war with the west. And Anders Breivik, the Norwegian mass murderer who thought he had much different world view that was a [ UNKNOWN ] of a war the Muslims. And both of these guys were trying to [ UNKNOWN ] and had some success on both sides. And each on their own. But I think ultimately Havin will fail. But I, I'd twin those two as two mirrors of each other. Brian, who's your bad guy? Hm. I, I guess Osama. If you say me now, we're done. [ LAUGH ] It you've been saving it for this, we're done. Walk back to 30 Rock with somebody else. [ LAUGH ] Truth is, [ LAUGH ] I wrote my friend Seth at about, 1 a. m. Saturday night to say that, this past weekend was probably the finest individual performance by a weekend update anchor in the 30 plus years I've been watching his show. This is one of the people I admire most in the communications industry. [ LAUGH ] And you guys will walk back together. [ LAUGH ] I think we'll walk back, yeah. Which is why when we talk together, I think our hand more than brushed. [ LAUGH ] I'm just saying I felt like there was contact. [ CROSSTALK ] Osama bin Laden. In covering these two wars for a decade now, I really do feel a connection [ COUGH ] with this incredible team of young men and women who have all, remember. If you've put on a uniform for the last decade, you've raised your hand to do so. And as my friend, medal of honor recipient, Jack Jacobs puts it, in this country. To walk door to door, you'd have to go to 150 homes, before you'd find a home with any connection to a current member of the armed services. Civilian America ain't fighting these wars, they rely on someone else to do it. And that's the Americans who are affiliated with the U. S. military. So for them and for the superb Navy Seals and special forces who have been living in deserts and rivers, quietly every night, eating MRE's. Doing the laser sighting for the precision weapons so they can take out the thirty- first ranking guy in Al Qaeda and work their way up the list because. They believe, love the war or hate the war, love the people who fight it. They believe they are doing this for everyone in this room and everyone we know, so in their name to have ended the life of that man, if you were gonna nominate a bad guy, that would be my bad guy. Any other bad guys before I ask a. Well can I just add to, to that. I know you, that, that, it, the, you talked about the personal relationship with the war. I was with my sister when she sent her son off to the war for the first time. he, and, and he went off, he's a marine, he was marine reserve. And which, he didn't know really meant that he was gonna be fighting a war. He celebrated, if you call it that, his 21st birthday there. He retured for a second tour of duty because he believed that when we was retured that he was gonna be building. Something really big and really important for the people who he had seen during his first tour. And so I, I would just echo on a more personal level that Osama Bin Laden really began to personify for him what was. What they were fighting for and, and it wasn't just fighting for this country when he went back on a second tour. It was fighting for the people who's lives had been disrupted through the war. And so it sounds like we're saying Osama Bin, got Bin Laden because he was the bad guy and we wanna get the bad guy. Because we American's has suffered. But I. If for him. It was. People across the globe. They didn't. He, probably would of never encounter in his life. But for Osama Bin Laden who was suffering. And so. That's my added pitch for why Osama Bin Laden Would be my bad guy. So. And, but what's interesting too I mean speaking of the cycle of news, what's happened in Arab Spring was exactly what Osama Bin Laden was hoping to cause himself. 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