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They are at time.com/newsletters and are separate from a paid subscription. ## Video: TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 2 [Watch (HLS stream): TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 2](https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/mLLs1DNM.m3u8) (9:40)  _Published 2011-11-17. Part 2 of TIME's panel discussion with Mario Batali, Jesse Eisenberg, Anita Hill, Seth Meyers, Grover Norquist and Brian Williams on who should be the 2011 Person of the Year_ --- Jul 27, 2023 3:19 PM UTC --- ## More From This Series [All Videos](https://time.com/video/) [TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 1](/video/sUegcZ7S/) ### TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 1 [TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 3](/video/vx62RRLX/) ### TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 3 [TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 5](/video/sEPOGvNI/) ### TIME 2011 Person of the Year Panel - Part 5 --- ## Transcript So Brian you're a man of tradition. And we've never put a non- living person on the cover. So, how would you make that argument given your your choice of Steve Jobs? Well I really struggled with this. You and I have talked about this great tradition. And I've always said, I grew up in the original Henry Lewis home. My parents were strivers. We were kind of grindingly middle class. And, and the very same middle class that I I watch getting destroyed before my very eyes in this country. And so I also know there is an institutional distaste for. The Arab protester, the planet earth an object that's probably me. an, an object a group of people without a name and without a face. The fruit vendor gets us closer. I met Esra, it occurred to me I was the only one on this panel in. To Rare Square, though Seth was playing Caroline's right around the corner. [ LAUGH ] While we were over there. They say you could hear a little bit from inside the club. But I don't think it distracted him from, Louis CK killed that night. Yeah, yeah, I know. so, you know? I was, I was in it. And, and I was in it the moment it. It turned so cancerous the, that man in the yellow shirt on the lead horse with what we later learned was a horse whip, drove past me. We made eye contact and I, it, we knew something was happening and something was strange we didn't know what. To be fair you make a lot of eye contact. [ LAUGH ] Okay we had a moment. Yeah, you had a moment. We had a thing. [ LAUGH ] but, so I, I feel rooted in it. I feel like I was present at the creation of it, and it continues and hopefully the best aspects of it will continue through 2012. I just couldn't assign a name to it, and by the way, they all need devices. And devices have been absolutely critical to the movement as it continues from New York to Oakland. Hm. Do you see Mario I mean you, you talked about the bankers as well. I mean, do you see a kind of virus out there that's, that you know, that the Tunisian fruit seller. Goes to Terrier's Square, goes to New York, goes to Oakland. By the way the Tea Party, you could argue is, is part of this whole protest movement as well. I wonder what the role of social media in, in all of that is. You could say hey, maybe it should be Steve Jobs because he helped. He helped everybody communicate in a way that we haven't been able to. I am, I'm definitely a part of the fact, in the belief that the smart phone cell phone with the photographic capability has changed the world as much as the bible has. There's nothing that's brought people so together to understand each other common play, and so far we've been using it only to describe the disasters in the world. When one day we discover a way to share the beauty and the smartness of the world and that same thing it will be a really great thing. So his categories already God but I would say that the rebelliousness and the way that the people communicate that rebellion is falling flat in America for the simple fact that we don't have a draft, if we had a draft and people were really gonna die who didn't need a job. We have some much more angry students on our hands, and I'd be far more interested in it. And, them, kind of sitting in Zucotti Park, which is a compelling story to me, and everyone kind of feels good that somebody's rebelling. But it's kind of a part time job for those guys, they're not really playing the real thing, I mean, they're just kind of quietly sitting around. It's kind of a very 2011 rebellion. They're not breaking anything, no one's getting hurt. Nope, for that very reason, no one's really paying attention them that much other than everyone's giving them a little lip service because they love the 60's and they think that's what it is now. So Seth, you're, you're looking at the news. [ LAUGH ] You're looking at the news every week like we are and there's this kind of fact that everything, is more ephemeral than it used to be. I mean the we, you know, we were showing the video before. There was this incredible earthquake in Japan. And that, that, you know, may change that country and Asia for generations. I mean, things pass away. I mean, is there, is there something that we should be doing that. You know, it's more enduring. Last year, for example, we decided, you know, not to choose Julian Assange, even though he was very much in the news at the end of the year, and look where he is now. How should that affect the choice? Well, I mean I think it's interesting that Julian Assange is out of the news as much as he is because I think that he would have been-- he was trying to be an instrument for long term change. And transparency and he kind of got yelled down. I think that one of the reasons things come and go so fast is people that try to make change happen go away. I mean I hope Elizabeth Warren is one day Time's Person of the Year. I just don't think it's this year. Because I don't think the things she wanted to have happen, really happened on a grand scale. So, you know, in regards to that, I mean that's why I think, you know at the very least. You know, I, I, you know as far as like it being a part time job [ INAUDIBLE ] on Wall Street, I do think people are talking about the fact that the banking system hasn't changed much since 2008 when everything went south. And I think we'd forgotten that until Occupy Wallstreet started. So I think it is actually having more of an affect. I know that you know where, where following the news. It's coming up a lot more often then it had. So [ UNKNOWN ], do you see, and a lot of people have talked about this, but you are in the middle of it. A lot of people have talked about how The Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street, if they'd come around the bend and look at each other they'd have a lot in common. They're against big government, they're, they against big banks, they're against too big to fail. I mean you see a kind of a consanguinity between the 2 that, that coming together I think they see a lot of the things that irritate them similarly. Their solutions are slightly in different directions, and so they're not, [ COUGH ] they're sort of moving in different directions. 2010 was a wave election in one direction for more limited government against guys who wanted to raise taxes. For the Republicans. Occupy Wall Street would tend to urge you to vote in the other direction. I don't think it quite has the same, vibrancy in terms of moving votes or actually in terms of the numbers. It just isn't there in the numbers that you did have with the, the waves, of activity. And the number of cities, the small towns. and we actually did a postmortem of that first 3 week period and tried to find out from newspapers and police reports, how many rallies and how many people were there and came up with somewhere around twelve hundred with maybe a million people at them using the more small C conservative estimate. So, it's and it was tough because We didn't know someone, who knew someone, who knew someone who was running those rallies. These were fresh people, new guys in the political arena, not people who are rerunning previous times in their lives. It's a, a different operation, but some of the same with, sometimes the government gets together with the business community and does something stupid and evil together. And everybody can be unhappy about it. So, I, I wonder, thank you, Professor Hill, so you, your book is called Re- imagining Equality and you talk about some of these issues. Is it, is it just people, progressive people or people from the left who are talking about this or do you see that there's a kind of you know, people on both left and right are dealing with equality issues and it's not just the providence of one party or another. I don't think it, it absolutely is not 1 party or the other and I say that based on what I get coming to me from individuals Well tell me. I'm a lifelong democrat. Or I'm a lifle long republican. I've always concideered myself consertive or I've always concidered myself liberal. And they're troubled by it. I think one of the things that struck me was that. I really like your idea Mario, of. Finding somebody who has changed the way we think, Not just what we do, but someone who has fundamentally changed the way we think about who we are, and where we can go as a county, or as a world as a society. And I think that has to be, that's really where you're talking about long term change. Because activities can, can just kind of stop and start you know you get another, different kind of smart phone the next time you buy one you move from Blackberry to Iphone or vice versa. All of those things it's activity it can change. But if we start to change the way we think, then I think we can move forward and what I hear is, I hear from people from all across the board and I, I talk about the fact that over the last 20 years or so, I probably have about 25, 000 letters. From people. And they're not all liberals, they're not all women, they're not all men, they're not all people who would consider themselves politically aligned with me neccessarily. But they all express this desire to find some solution to very pressing problems. And, and when I, when I write about re- imaginng equality, it is. Really fundamentally thinking changing the way we think about what equality means. 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