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## Video: 10 Questions for Paul Kagame

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_Published 2011-05-27. The Rwandan president discusses the pressing issues affecting Rwanda and the African continent._


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## Transcript

Hi i'm Belinda Luscombe, I'm an editor at large at Time magazine and this is ten questions. This week we have the very great honor of having his excellency, President Paul Kagame to ask our questions to. Welcome your excellency. Thank you. 17 years on, how has Rwanda transformed itself? In the aftermath of the genocide. Do you feel that the country is fully reconciled? To a great extent the country of Rwanda has reconciled. And, we started by coming together again as a nation, where the history had. Torn apart that country. We had to go forward and pick the pieces and bring everybody and everything together to build a new Rwanda and we have made good progress, the Rwandans are very happy.

They're busy. Rebuilding the alliance, and moving forward and they have a lot of hope in the future. One of the ways in Sy- South Africa, they dealt with their lingering issues of fear and resentment with that Truth and Reconciliation Commission that was organized by Archbishop Desmond Tutu. Have you done anything similar to that in Rwanda or any mechanisms by which accounting was made? So we, we have had that, indeed we have national National Unity and Reconciliation Commission, which has done tremendous work in bringing together all Rwandans of the different backgrounds to discuss openly and freely.

Their past, our past, and what went wrong. And, how we can find a remedy for what went wrong. A lot of the west, you know when it looks in Africa, and thinks, you know. Why so many dictators? Why do people. Not leave power, particularly, if you'll forgive me, people who are like you, former guerrilla commanders, former, you know, heroes of the revolution. They come in and they tend to stay. I'm thinking of Zimbabwe, but there're many examples. Why is it that. The turnover of power is so difficult in, in Africa? I really don't know for a fact, but as you, rightly said, it happens. And maybe it's not healthy for, for, for our countries or for our continent.

So then can I ask you about your plans? Do you intend to be president for. Not forever, certainly. [ LAUGH ] It wouldn't work even. I'm serving my second and last term. Right. And I'm sure there're could be many other capable Rwandese who'd, be competing to take over after me. You think the most basic human right is economic prosperity, being able to look after yourself. And this has made some Western NGOs and journalists concerned because it sounds a little bit among other things it sounds a little bit like you're. Downplaying the role of human rights. And it sounds a little bit like what said, the white South Africans used to say, about apartheid, it' some of their defences that apartheid, you know, the South African blacks are the richest in the whole continent.

Hm. How would you address those concerns? We've never said. That economic development comes or should come at the expense of democracy or freedoms and so on and so forth, never. We have only said economic development is part and partial of that. In a fact, you shouldn't have one and not the other. We should have both and in fact both of them are mutually complimentary. How effective do you think you and the African Union and other leaders that have good governance and a strong constitution can be in effecting change? You may have. One country doing very well, well governed, making good progress, and so on and so forth.

And that can influence other things to happen in other parts where maybe there are such problems. But, you can't have that country run another country, or, or leaders of that country doing well, run another country, or, or dictate to other leaders what they should do. It's up to those leaders, and the people of those countries, also to say, this is our responsibility, we need really to confront our problems and deal with them, and maybe get support from whoever we. Can get support from so on and so forth. We try to achieve the maximum we can by speaking to each other, by may be having this conversation and by sharing, by, you know, working together again.

It might be limited progress. Just independent on this. But if we had people also, who progressively do their best, then, we can move forward. It's, it's a very difficult thing. Your Excellency, thank you so much for doing this. Well, thank you. We really appreciate this. Great pleasure. It was a good conversation.

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