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They are at time.com/newsletters and are separate from a paid subscription. ## Video: Blackman Unleashed: Gearing Up for The Force Unleashed 2 [Watch (HLS stream): Blackman Unleashed: Gearing Up for The Force Unleashed 2](https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/glHDf5yU.m3u8) (22:16)  _Published 2010-09-10. Techland sits down with former LucasArts Executive Producer Haden Blackman to talk about the upcoming video game The Force Unleashed 2 and what gamers can expect._ --- Jul 27, 2023 3:05 PM UTC --- ## More From This Series [All Videos](https://time.com/video/) [T-Mobile Pets Unleashed T-Mobile Un-commercial](/video/IWlNpJs4/) ### T-Mobile Pets Unleashed T-Mobile Un-commercial [Boba Fett in The Force Unleashed 2](/video/401C5fna/) ### Boba Fett in The Force Unleashed 2 [Youngest Pro Video Gamer Schools Techland](/video/nDuaJ5zl/) ### Youngest Pro Video Gamer Schools Techland --- ## Transcript Hi. My name is Haden Blackman and I am a senior executive producer and franchise director of LucasArts, working on The Force Unleashed. We are very proud of, a lot about the first Force Unleashed. You know, it won a number of awards especially around the story and the writing. And that, to us, I think, was a little bit humbling. I don't think we realized, you know, how we're kind of integral to the Star Wars canon, the story we had created was. So, that was very exciting. We obviously got a lot of really great feedback too just on everything, from the controls of the camera to the targeting system, and we took all that into account working on Force Unleashed II. We really saw Force Unleashed I as something that had great potential, and you know, had a really great core fantasy there, but it was a little unpolished, a little rough around the edges, and those are the things that we're trying to smooth out for Force Unleashed II. Force Unleashed II is a much more personal story than the first Force Unleashed. I think, on the first Force Unleashed, we focused on Starkiller, Darth Vader's apprentice, kind of hunting down the last of the Jedi and the twists and turns and the story ends up, you know, forming Rebel Alliance and becoming a really integral part of kind of the canon. With Force Unleashed II, a lot of that is still there as kind of a backdrop, but it's a much more personal story and Starkiller who is being manipulated by Vader. Vader tells him he's a clone and that he's going instance. And all this kind of things that really, you know, shake up his sense of identity. You know, those drive Starkiller on the run, forced him to kind of lash out of Vader, go on the run and go looking for the one thing that he really knows to be true which is his feelings for Juno Eclipse who is the love interest in the first game. So, you know, Vader is still there, still trying to use Starkiller. We don't really know exactly what his plots are, at least early on in the story, and it's still that kind of constant presence, but it is really about Starkiller being on his personal quest being a fugitive on the run from Vader. Yeah, a big goal of ours for both Force Unleashed I and II was to provide more insight into Darth Vader's character. So, we really, you know, thought about who is Vader at this time period, what is he doing, what are his plots and desires and schemes. And that's where we came up with the idea of him taking an apprentice in the first place that he would want to have somebody that he was grooming to help overthrow the Emperor. And of course, through the course of the story, you kind of find out that, you know, the Emperor is manipulating the whole thing in Force Unleashed I, but we really did like that notion that Vader was proactive and was setting out a plot of his own and that continues in Force Unleashed II. One of the things we know about Vader is that he's stubborn and that he tried the same plots over and over again. And so, we thought that, you know, he would still want an apprentice for various reasons, one might be to overthrow the Emperor, one might be to help him in the hunt of the last Jedi, but he can't really go out and recruit somebody now. It's so late in kind of the time period and it would take him years to find somebody as an infant or as a child and train that person up. So, he does the next best thing which is, you know, taking Starkiller and evidently cloning him in order to, you know, kind of have that apprentice back. >> Right. >> But he's taking a great risk because this is very experimental technology. Starkiller, you know, kind of betrayed him in the first game. He's very difficult to control, but again, we know that Vader tries these things over and over again. I think the other big thing for us was to show Vader as broken in some way, and you know, almost tragic. One of the things that really compels me about Vader is this idea that he's kind of like a Frankenstein monster. He's evil, but he's tragic too. And we wanted to show some of that definitely in the first game and there's elements about it in the second game especially through kind of the mirror of what's Starkiller is going through in this whole notion of cloning and what can go wrong with cloning and how you can end up with kind of broken clones. We tried to really take the relationship between Starkiller and Vader and make it, you know, kind of vague initially. In that first game, you know, we don't really explain what happens in those 10 or so years when Vader is training him. There is obviously a certain element of a father figure there. He's the only-- You know, Vader kills Starkiller's real father and kind of, you know, takes Starkiller on his own, but we never really thought of him as kind of a warm and fuzzy, obviously, father figure. He's almost like the worst football coach, you know, or drill sergeant you can imagine. So, I don't have a really-- I never really saw their relationship as, you know, father and son, but more, you know, like, master and apprentice, but, you know, it's obviously a very warped and broken thing. In Force Unleashed II, you really get the sense that, you know, Vader sees Starkiller more as a tool to be used for-- you know, for his own ends and there's not a lot of kind of, you know, empathy or connection there on kind of a father- son level. I mean, in my mind, you know, Vader, I think, has plots for eventually overthrowing the Emperor and Starkiller may factor into that obviously. We know Luke later factors into that as well, and I think that he may deep down want that kind of relationship, but we definitely-- with Force Unleashed II, at least, we focused on, you know, Starkiller is just weapon and tool for Vader, and you know, Starkiller wants none of that. He wants to go out and he wants to be reunited with, you know, Juno. In some ways, Force Unleashed II is very much a love story. If Force Unleashed I was about redemption, you know, this is about, you know, kind of the power of love and the fact that it can pull his really broken character, you know, through this quest. In order to focus on what to improve, we really took a look at everything that was said about the game, both positive and negative, and you know, we didn't wanna throw the baby out of the bath water. We really wanna make sure that the things we did right in the first game, we continue to do right in the second game. So, a lot of emphasis was put on, " Let's figure out what consumers and critics both really like about the game ," and then we took everything that was a criticism of the game. We made just this huge list and looked for overlap between what the critics, you know, didn't like about the game and what the consumers said was problematic. And you know, some of the areas, again, targeting was one area that came up, mostly knowing what you had targeted. There was some, you know, difference of opinion between critics and consumers on, you know, the ease of targeting. So, you know, we looked at that a little bit too to see, can we make it a little bit more precise for more of the hardcore gamers, but yet, still allow more casual or mainstream gamers to just, you know, pick up something and throw and have something cool happen. We also looked the camera and the way-- especially in boss battles, the way that the camera was authored. That was problematic in a couple of areas. So, we really focused heavily on that. And then, for me, one of the big areas that we really want to tackle was AI. So, in the first game, because we went to so many different locations in the story, took you from being a Jedi hunter to forming the Rebel Alliance and fighting the Empire, we had over a hundred different enemies, and as a result, a lot of them kind of ended up feeling sort of vanilla and didn't really present a good tactical challenge. So, we really focused on fewer enemies. We have about 25 on the Force Unleashed II, but all of them are tactically significant. So, you know, the tactics you use to take down a jumptrooper are not the same tactics. So, they're gonna work against a Carbonite War Droid and we really wanna make sure that there was diversity there and you felt like you're mixing up your powers and mixing up your attacks and your strategy as you win in this battle. Yeah, well, we have really wanted to have a brand new fighting style for The Force Unleashed II and that's where the dual wield came from. We knew that we wanted to redesign the combo system kind of from the ground up, make it a little bit more responsive, allow you to have more of a mixture of close attacks and then some bigger sweeping area of effect attacks. And the animators-- Once we realized we had to redo all the animations, the animators really kind of, you know, pressured us to say, you know, " Let's do dual wield 'cause it will be something new, it will be something fun ." And our art director, Matt Omernick, wanted to have something that when you look at it, you knew you're looking in a screenshot from Force Unleashed II and Force Unleashed I. So, you know, instantly, you see those two lightsabers, and you know, it's from the sequel. So, we just sort of explain it in the story. I mean, early in the game, you're kind of training with Vader and he gives you two lightsabers and you go up and you fight with those, but for us, it was a chance to do something very different with the combat system and redo all the combo since we're going to do that anyway and make it a little bit more dramatic. Jedi Mind Trick is one of our new powers in the game and we wanted to approach it the same way we approached all the Force powers in the franchise. When we sat down and we designed Force push which I think was the very first thing we did on Force Unleashed I, we said, " Okay. What's Force Unleashed-- sorry, what does Force push do in the films and how do we make that unleashed? How do we, you know, make it more over the top ?" So, you know, from day one, we knew we wanted Force push to hit somebody like he was hitting-- like they're being hit by a cannonball and not just knocked somebody over. So, we took the same kind of approach with the Jedi Mind Trick and we said, " Okay. How can we re- envision this ?" So, it's not just confusing an enemy. It's not just, say, you know, these aren't the droids we're looking for, but how do we make it feel really unleashed. And the first thing that came to mind, which is a pretty standard game design features that you can turn your, you know, enemies and allies so that, you know, is pretty standard. That's great and it's very tactically useful in combat, so I could turn the stormtrooper into my ally and he'll rush off and he'll attack his own stormtrooper buddies. But then we, you know, started experimenting what are the other ways that we can make this more memorable power, feel a little bit more unleashed, and add a little bit of comedy into the game as well. Comedy is a big part of Star Wars. So, the next thing, we came up with this idea that, you know, you confuse your enemy so much that, in some cases, depending on the enemy and the situation you're in, they might literally throw themselves to their deaths, so you're on. You know, we have a lot of areas where there's big platforms or there's the environmental hazards like exploding barrels or whatever and an enemy will literally run and throw themselves into that hazard or throw themselves off the cliff which is very funny, and again, tactically significant 'cause you're taking a unit out of the battle. Then, the third thing we came up with was this idea-- as the power gets ranked up over time, you can literally turn your enemies into like roving smart bombs. So, they get so infused with the Force energy that you're kind of pumping into them, but they can't contain it so they run into a group of enemies, you know, their former allies and they open fire, they attack, and then after a brief period of time, they literally blow up and they, you know, unleash all this Force energy and take out a whole group. So, again, very tactically significant, but also memorable and kind of fun and it's great to see a stormtrooper grabbing his head moments before he explodes. -[ unk ] sky. >> Well-- So, I will say that, you know, the star destroyer for us is also-- is you know, this weird thing for us. We look at it as one of the things that was, you know, most inspiring about the game or most inspired about the game and we put a lot of work and effort into the design for it. It actually went through about three different design revisions-- >> Yeah. >> before we had the final kind of design and the kind of thing that hurts us, you know, and pains us about that is that really a lot of it came down to some bugs that we had in it that were, you know, making the controls kind of difficult to maneuver. And so, it became far more frustrating and more difficulty than we ever intended it to be. I do think there's that sense of achievement when you finally accomplish it, but we don't want that sense to come from, you know, " Oh, I overcame a bug ," right? So, one of the things we've done-- you know, for me, the key learning with Force Unleashed II was like, " Let's just make sure that we, you know, kind of settle on a design early for this thing. We prototype it as early as we can and let's bug test the heck out of it ." So, you know, we have a very extensive polish phase for Force Unleashed II and it finally faced a bug- fixing phase to make sure that some of those big set pieces, you know, really kind of live up to everything we envision and don't get kind of, you know, cut off at the knees by a bug. But the key learning there was just for that moment and really that the story behind that was-- I was in a design meeting with the designers once and they were like, " Okay, what do you mean by Force Unleashed? Like, how powerful is this guy ?" And I was getting really frustrated because I didn't feel like we were brainstorming big enough and I said, " Well, I don't know. He's so powerful. He can rip a star destroyer out of the sky ." And there was a concept artist in the room at that time and she went away and got so excited about that. She did a picture of star destroyer crashing in front of Starkiller and that ended up on our president's wall. So, I couldn't cut it, right? It was like-- And at that time, I mean, with a lot of things with Force Unleashed, it was something that we kind of dreamt up that we had no idea how we're gonna pull off. And again, it took us almost the entire development to kind of figure out a design that we are happy with, and then, you know, we kind of almost ran out of time. We felt like [ unk ] minutes. So, this time around, we're very conscious of let's pick, you know, a handful of really big set piece moments, let's put some of our best guys on them early, and let's make sure that those designs are solid and we prototype and we really spend enough time kind of polishing. So, there are some big moments like that in this game. There is one that does involve a ship. I'm not gonna go into detail about it, but we worked on it since the very beginning of the game. Yeah, for sure. I mean, for me, part of the joy of working on some franchise like The Force Unleashed is because from where it's set, you know, between episodes III and IV, we have this whole, you know, library of things that we can draw and all these characters and locations and events that we can bring into the story. So, it was really exciting in, you know, Force Unleashed I, [ unk ] Princess Leia Organa, and you know, one of my favorite moments is the Darth Maul reveal when, you know, Proxy becomes Darth Maul. That was really awesome. That almost got cut. It was like-- That almost didn't make it in the game. It was one of those things that we fought for 'till the end, and finally, made it end which was great and it's big a fan moment. So, we have some moments like that in Force Unleashed II. Again, we can't go into details yet on those, but there are some very significant cameos. The one thing we always try to do, though, is make sure that it doesn't feel just like shoehorned in, you know. Lando is a favorite character of mine and we talked a lot about ways to get him into Force Unleashed I, but it always felt like it would be shoe- horned in. So, we really wanted to make sure that it made sense within the context of the story we were telling and it wasn't just you randomly bump into somebody 'cause you happen to be on Cloud City. Oh, yes. So, one thing we did with Force Unleashed II, aside from adding new stuff, was just redesigning almost every power from the ground up. So, all of them-- you know, Force push, a lot of the same functionalities there and we've added new effects to it, and you know, we've tweaked numbers and data and things like that. But we've redesigned how lightning works, for example, and to me, it could really more of a control power and thing that walks down to me is for a period of time and then it's highly effective with certain types of enemies like the jumptrooper. So, we put a lot of thought into the powers that were already there to make sure that they were all, you know, really-- you know, well designed, and again, tactically significant. And we looked at powers that didn't work so well or didn't have a real purpose and said, you know, " Do we really need these ," and you know, " Can we strip elements out of things to make each power feel very unique ?" And then, we added Mind Trick. We've also added a new mode to the game called Force Fury which is basically you have a Force Fury meters, you go throughout the game, and it will build up over time as you defeat enemies and complete mission objectives and what not. And once it's full, you can actually trigger it and all of your powers basically go to 11. They go beyond, you know, anything that you can actually rank them up to. So, Force push doesn't just hit somebody like a cannonball. Now, it takes out an entire group of enemies and sends them almost into orbit. I mean, it just drives them so far back that it wipes out a whole group of stormtroopers and your lightsaber combos become ranged attacks now. So, you're not just attacking a guy that's, you know, the distance of a lightsaber from you, but you're able to take out an entire group with these really cool sweeping attacks where you're throwing the lightsaber repeatedly. And I think the other really exciting thing about Force Fury is you have it from the very beginning of the game and it takes all of your powers and ramps them all up. So, you get a taste of what lightning will be like at its maximum and actually be on its maximum before you even spend any experience points and ranking it up. So, I think it's a really kind of convenient way to try before you buy with all of these powers which I think is kind of cool. Star Wars is that kind of planet hopping so we wanna take you to several different locations in the game. We've announced Kamino which is the cloning planet, and so, planet of storms, and you know, rain and ocean. And then, we also have Cato Neimoidia which is a Stone Archway planet that we see very briefly in Episode III. It's where one of the Jedis has gone down and we've taken that planet and we've completely blown it up and made it a full- fledged environment. We've turned it into an imperial casino. So, you'll be able to, you know, smash through essentially imperial slot machines and make your way through a very destructive environment. The Force Unleashed right now is very focused on this kind of single- player Starkiller story. We will have a four- player death match mode in the Wii version, and in the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 versions, your challenge is tie into online leaderboard, so you'll be able to compete with your friends on-- you know, in terms of leaderboards. But in terms of the base action of the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360, we're really focused on that, you know, linear narrative. Yeah. So, one of the really great things about working on The Force Unleashed franchise is just how many people have been working on it since it's conception. I mean, we have, I think, over 90 percent of the core team right now worked on either Force Unleashed I or some of the downloadable contents. So, it's a very experienced team and what that means is that they're very experienced with the engine and the technology and the tools that we used to develop the first game. As we were building the first game, we were also building our engine, our tools, and bringing all this technology together. And some of it came on very, very late. And now, they've had, you know, the Force Unleashed I experience and then three downloadable content levels to really learn how to get the most out of that technology. So, we've done some changes on the code side to make the engine a little bit faster, to make DMM a little bit faster. We've added some new Euphoria behaviors. We've really, you know, learned how to use those technologies in conjunction with Havok, but a lot of it just comes down to that muscle memory and knowing that, " Okay, when I do a setup like this with DMM, it really pays off. If I do a setup like this with DMM, maybe, it won't pay off so well ." So, you know, taking all those things we've learned, and now, combining them with the new and more creative ways has, I think, yielded a much more interactive experience than we had in the first game. Yeah. I mean, we would love to do, you know, more Force Unleashed games and I think there's much more story to tell. I am personally very attached to the Starkiller character and I definitely know that there's more story to tell with that character and we have ideas about where to take him next. And I think the concept as a whole lends itself to, you know, any time period in Star Wars. I mean, this idea of over- the- top Force powers, I think we could set it in the Knights of Old Republic era in the far future. We could create brand new characters. We can do a game based on, you know, a named character like Luke Skywalker or whatever. So, I'm hopeful that there'll be more Force Unleashed games in the future, but right now, we're focused on, you know, how do we get this one done and make it the greatest game it can possibly be because it fits on a great game, and you know, it limits our opportunities for sequels. Well, we've been really fortunate, I think, with The Force Unleashed franchise in terms of the fan reaction to it. I was very nervous going into it, not so much of the story because I thought like we worked really hard on making sure that the story fit with the one what we knew about that time period and we actually gave a lot of nods to the fans, you know, when there's a moment where the Rebel Alliance is actually formed and we had, you know, Mon Mothma and Garm Bel Iblis, and these characters that are only mentioned as being there in novels or, you know, some of the nonfiction books. We actually put them there because, you know, we're all fans and we want to make sure that we gave some nods to what we already know about the history. But again, because that time period was so open and nobody had really told many stories about that time period, there weren't a lot of opportunities for us to, you know, contradict whether it had existed before. So that was great. What I was more worried about was the notion, just these over- the- top Force powers, and I think we were smart in the way that we handled it from the outside. You know, there was a desire at one point on the team for us to explain it in the story; like, why are these Force powers so out of-- you know, over- the- top or out of control. And, is there some-- you know, is there some disturbance in the Force that is causing everybody to suddenly be amped up. And to me, that just felt kind of hokey. And instead, I said, " Well, let's just approach this as a video game and these over- the- top Force powers are cool and that's just the way we're portraying the Force in the game. So, it's not just Starkiller who's amped up, but Vader is too and anybody with Force powers. And I was a little nervous about fan reaction to that. And luckily, they seemed to have embraced it. And obviously, in the comic and in the novel, the Force is not portrayed in quite the same way as it might be in the game because those are different media. So, I think that with Star Wars, you really have that opportunity to show things like the Force in different light because, you know, a game is different from a comic book which is different in the novel. Finishing it, I think my favorite moment in the first game, to be honest-- well, there's two, so there'll be a gameplay moment and a story moment. >> That's true. >> My favorite story moment in the first game and only because I didn't think we are gonna be able to pull it off is the kiss between Starkiller and Juno. >> Yeah. >> It's, one, I think, from a story standpoint, we handled it in a very kind of understated way. It's not too over- the- top emotional. She really takes charge. It feels to me like very, you know, 20s, 30s, you know, movie, you know, style, so I really like that part of it and I thought that the delivery was great and then the animators did an amazing job. It's the best on- screen game kiss, I think, maybe of all time. So, that's me-- it's me and my favorite moment in the story. And then-- And I love the Darth Maul moment. I love the moment when Proxy becomes Darth Maul. I think that's pretty great. And then, from a gameplay standpoint, it's hard to just pick just one. The thing I love about Force Unleashed is that every time I watch it, every time I play it, I see something new, whether it's some weird Euphoria behavior that we didn't script because it's all simulation based, or you know, it's-- I tried a different tactic with some enemies and it really works out. That, I really enjoyed, but my favorite gameplay thing to do in that game is Force Grenade. So, it's where you pick up an enemy and you charge him up with lightning and then you throw him into a group of enemies and he explodes. And there's times when you do that especially, you know, when you're surrounded by stormtroopers that the payoff is just spectacular. So, that was like one combo that I'm like, " If anything else gets cut, I'm okay, but that has to stay in Force Unleashed II. >> All right. ```json {"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"VideoObject","name":"Blackman Unleashed: Gearing Up for The Force Unleashed 2","description":"Techland sits down with former LucasArts Executive Producer Haden Blackman to talk about the upcoming video game The Force Unleashed 2 and what gamers can expect.","thumbnailUrl":"https://cdn.jwplayer.com/v2/media/glHDf5yU/poster.jpg?width=720","uploadDate":"2010-09-10T14:56:44.000Z","contentUrl":"https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/glHDf5yU.m3u8","embedUrl":"https://time.com/video/glHDf5yU/","duration":"PT22M16S","potentialAction":{"@type":"SeekToAction","target":"https://time.com/video/glHDf5yU/?jw_start={seek_to_second_number}","startOffset-input":"required name=seek_to_second_number"}} ```