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They are at time.com/newsletters and are separate from a paid subscription. ## Video: Eugene Richards: War Is Personal [Watch (HLS stream): Eugene Richards: War Is Personal](https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/eIjBJTLS.m3u8) (5:13)  _Published 2011-03-13. Photographer Eugene Richards discusses his new book of 15 real-life stories of people profoundly affected by the war in Iraq_ --- Jul 27, 2023 3:11 PM UTC --- ## More From This Series [All Videos](https://time.com/video/) [100 Photographs: Richard Prince's Untitled \(Cowboy\)](/video/6XLWI1be/) ### 100 Photographs: Richard Prince's Untitled (Cowboy) [100 Photographs: Tragedy in Iraq](/video/EnQVPE0R/) ### 100 Photographs: Tragedy in Iraq [Out of Sight: The Prisoners of Guantanamo by Eugene Richards](/video/jeSM0ovt/) ### Out of Sight: The Prisoners of Guantanamo by Eugene Richards --- ## Transcript The first person was a young man named Tomas Young who had been shot in the spine on his 4th day in Iraq. When we began talking to Tomas, as he was talking, he was dropping his cigarettes on himself. I asked him, " Doesn't it-- doesn't it hurt ?" And he says, " No. I'm covered with scars. I'm fine ." I'm covered with scars, he did-- who dropped them on himself in bed. He has no pain from the waist down but he would scar himself and he says, " You wanna see my scars ?" and he pulled his shirt off and I saw scars from the cigarettes but all totally a zipper- like scar in his back and a bullet hole that went through in the front and exited his back. And it's not an exposé, I always mean what I wanna do and I didn't want people necessarily to feel that I use them so I called him up and I said, " Tomas, do you have a picture ?" He gave me his picture 'cause we know each other at that time and after a pause he said, " So what ?" and it kind of alarmed me. I thought he was being, you know, kind of-- and I said you don't understand that this is not you or maybe it's your best because I haven't seen the other day, then he said he said " So what ?" and then he proceeded to tell me that the things he need to stress that were all the stories about people come home, they're able to carry on the way that they were before like you get-- and he mentioned getting on his prosthetic legs which happens, but most of us are not gonna be the same. Early on, I realize that if you kept it to a certain kind of individual situation and being polemic, the story of the family is now getting very different after each other is a great acknowledgment of tragedy, how they dealt with their grief. And now the Bagley and her son, Jose, was the sheriff of the small New Hampshire town. And the accident, it was an attack and a grenade thrown into the vehicle he was in killed one person and took 40 percent of his brain. And she would come in on the morning, early at six o'clock in the morning, where-- go right over and take over the nursing care and making sure he didn't have bed sores, turn him, etcetera, and sometimes she would lift him up and she's a little woman and he's a big man, he's over 6 feet tall and she just picked him up like he was a baby. I couldn't believe she didn't break in half and I guess that speak for other women, I was trying to be very careful about not making the injury appalling but I think in some ways that's what people see in that picture, they don't necessarily see Nellie. We were going out to Arlington cemetery, they brought there her [ unk ], they brought it down and they opened the casket up. And I remember I didn't have any-- my camera was in the bag and I had a real hard time getting and my hands were shaking, I don't know why. I think partially because I-- if you saw the casket from a distance covered with flag it reminded me almost like Cinderella's jewel box and somebody opened up and it isn't the fairy princess, it's a young woman in a uniform who passed away, who's dead. And then I stayed and I made a few pictures of people coming by and then finally it had to be too much for me. I could actually see the mother and she looked almost identical to the princess as the princess had some reconstruction in her face but you could see she's quite beautiful. But being face- to- face with that was very seemingly troubling. Kimberly Rivera is the young woman who lives in Canada who defected and much of her life was centered throughout trying to preserve her family. A lot of women soldiers that people don't realize they're under a huge, enormous stress when they're away and in Iraq. They're hit on all the time, there's a lot of sexual pressure on them. I thought that it was kind of vital to see if I could at least hint that-- at the relationship that she has with her guy and it's kind of a brave relationship. She was a young Caucasian girl in Texas and he was a Mexican kid who was struggling to get work and they stayed together. And so the next moment, if I could, I would like to have more of those kind of moments. >> Well I think the important thing about her story and everybody else's is there's no great certainty and it rammed me a little bit about when we get to make our decision about Vietnam, I had friends who went and the rest didn't go. So, with any decision you make is a complicated one. There's a lot of people who've done a lot of great work on the war. I think-- but I think you know, the more I had to mention that, I think the more closer it comes to you and you could-- I think most people could find themselves in there in some capacity they could be, if not, this person that person. 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