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## Video: Command Post: Pakistan After bin Laden

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_Published 2011-07-12. How do the killing of Osama bin Laden, the Afghan withdrawal and the threat from India affect Pakistan?_


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## Transcript

[ SOUND ] This is command post, a series of discussions about military matters, from Time and the Center for a New American Security. Any discussion of the Pakistani government has to acknowledge that it's not a unitary actor. There's different pieces of the government Many different actors with their own power bases that are not always coming together and pursuing a coherent set of policies. They're trying to jockey for advantage with each other for external assistance and a, and a whole host of other things. That's playing out right now very much in the Pakistani army. There is a great concern after the killing of Bin Laden, not just about what the U.

S. did and the impact with the relations with the U. S.. But real fears are that India could have a military advantage as well. Because the United States came in, flew in planes undetected by Pakistani sensors. You know, came in out killed Bin Laden and left with, the left with the body under an hour. There's a lot of concern about what gaps in the military that reveals, which is seen as consequential for any potential contest with India. And so that's playing out very much inside the Pakistani army right now. Pakistan is terrified that the United States is going to swoop in and take control of their nuclear weapons.

Which, which they view as the ultimate bow work against an Indian attack. And, and that paranoia, I, I, I think was, was exacerbated by the Bin Ladin raid, which played into just their worst fears. And I think that they are, their army has, has been shaken deeply. the, the, for the first time I think in, in the nation's existence the army is no longer looked to as, as a bull work that can defend the country against external threats. You're confident of course when we got Bin Laden, we also did not take their nuclear arsenal? I'm absolutely confident that we did not take any nuclear weapons. [ INAUDIBLE ].

It, it is an interest, that we've got though. And they, they perceive that the U. S. you know, is very interested rightfully in the security of their nuclear program. Ambassador Husain Haqqani, their ambassador here to the U. S. in Washington, recently spoke at the Pakistani National Defense College. And he polled the audience of mid grade and senior army officers about who they thought their most serious enemy was. And about 1 third identified India. About 1 third identified internal extremists. About 1 third identified the United States, as their most serious enemy. So this issue of creeping extremism, of suspicion and paranoia about the United States has, has very deep roots.

And, and it's going to grow as this younger generation of Pakistani military officers comes up to the senior ranks, most of whom have not served or gone to school in the United States and have had very little contact with Americans except through the programs that are under way right now. The, the rise of Islamic extremism inside the ranks of the Pakistani military is perhaps the most worrying factor for, for me of all the national security threats we face. And recently a, a Brigadier general in the Pakistan army was arrested. Accused of being a member of an Islamist group, that's very, very worrying.

As Dave said, the, the presence of Islamists has been increasing in the ranks, if it's up to the Brigadier General level, we're very, very close to the top. [ MUSIC ]

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