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They are at time.com/newsletters and are separate from a paid subscription. ## Video: TIME's Exclusive Interview with Gaddafi's Son Saif [Watch (HLS stream): TIME's Exclusive Interview with Gaddafi's Son Saif](https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/J1nlyZwp.m3u8) (5:40)  _Published 2011-03-12. Saif al-Islam, son of Col. Muammar Gaddafi, talks about victory and reform in an exclusive interview with TIME's Vivienne Walt_ --- Jul 27, 2023 3:11 PM UTC --- ## More From This Series [All Videos](https://time.com/video/) [TIME's 2009 Interview with Muammar Gaddafi](/video/scRXId3P/) ### TIME's 2009 Interview with Muammar Gaddafi [Col. Gaddafi's Camera-Ready Victory Celebrations](/video/PUSb6UrR/) ### Col. Gaddafi's Camera-Ready Victory Celebrations [TIME's 2009 Interview with Libya's Muammar Gaddafi](/video/EvJsCIfA/) ### TIME's 2009 Interview with Libya's Muammar Gaddafi --- ## Transcript >> If I got the translation of your speech right, which might [ unk ], at one point, it almost sounded like you felt like you have been, in some ways, betrayed by some of those who have been really-- >> Oh yeah, big time. >> Oh yeah, big time. Like our ex- ambassador to U. N. Come on, he was a big traitor. I called him before the session. He is my friend. He said, " Gadaffi is my father. You are my brother ;" and found out was a traitor. You know what? Because they promised him he will be president. He sold his country for a position he will never ever get. >> And a number of your close allies in effect. >> Oh yeah. >> Now switched sides. >> Yeah, switched side. >> So they will come back to me, but it's gonna be too late. Yes. >> How isolated you felt. >> I'm not isolated. If the Dutch or the French are unhappy with me, I don't care about that, because I live here in Tripoli, not in Amsterdam or in Manchester. I live in Libya, I don't live in America. The people are fighting for me, not the NATO, the Libyan people. I live here. I am like a fish, all my people, the sea. So I die, like a fish without water, out of the sea. So I don't feel isolated because with millions of people, these are my family. You saw them today. Young boy, so he is asking, so excited. They want to fight for the country. We have millions of Libyans, so we are not isolated. And the Europeans and Americans soon will come back. Come oil deal, contracts, you know this game. >> Was this a failure of intelligence? >> Failure of everything. Of course. In two days, in 48 hours, they controlled more than 10 military sites in the country. More than 10 military sites in 48 hours, and this is the huge amount of arms and ammunition, in two days. They were so organized and efficient. 48 hours. It was a big surprise for everybody. >> How does this all end, in your mind? I mean do you-- >> Today and yesterday was very, very decisive-- two decisive days. The militia is broken. They are fleeing everywhere, escaping from the battlefield. So, no armed people, so no problem-- big misunderstanding-- they are the worst. The rebels, it's not the rebels, the gangsters telling us they are escaping everywhere. They have no future. >> Now what do you do about the international diplomatic effort? The no- fly zone-- >> We don't care about them. Nobody cares about NATO, Europe. Nobody. First priority is Libya. We save our country. We help our people, and then we'll start talking to them. They are very easy later on because now we have the perception that the game is over in Libya. That is why they are so bad. One month ago, they were so nice; so nice, like pussycat. Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers, but this is-- we will win the war, Shallah, by the will of God. We have a right course. We have a nation's course. We are fighting with our people, fighting cannibals and gangsters. We have a future, and they have no future. >> Let's say you bite. How much damage has this done to your relationship with the west? You have farmers saying it is time for your [ unk ] to go >> We have the Chinese saying Welcome to China. We have the Russians saying Welcome to Russia. They told us, you are, we are your real friends. Now we should do business together. We have the Chinese, we have the Indians supporting us. We have still the Greek. And still our friends, the Italians, the Africans, South Africa. Do you think because France is unhappy with us, so the game is over? And Mr. Sarkozy cannot also play with us forever. He is playing a very dirty game, and we can do the same thing with him. He should be very, very careful. >> What could you do to him? >> It's a warning. Warning. We can reveal a lot of things. >> Such as? >> Many secrets. He knows. He knows very well what do I mean. So, the French should behave, or it's gonna be a big fiasco in France. >> Which of the above things which happened several years ago? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> So that's it. Enough for today. ```json {"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"VideoObject","name":"TIME's Exclusive Interview with Gaddafi's Son Saif","description":"Saif al-Islam, son of Col. Muammar Gaddafi, talks about victory and reform in an exclusive interview with TIME's Vivienne Walt","thumbnailUrl":"https://cdn.jwplayer.com/v2/media/J1nlyZwp/poster.jpg?width=720","uploadDate":"2011-03-12T01:21:25.000Z","contentUrl":"https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/J1nlyZwp.m3u8","embedUrl":"https://time.com/video/J1nlyZwp/","duration":"PT5M40S","potentialAction":{"@type":"SeekToAction","target":"https://time.com/video/J1nlyZwp/?jw_start={seek_to_second_number}","startOffset-input":"required name=seek_to_second_number"}} ```