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They are at time.com/newsletters and are separate from a paid subscription. ## Video: The First Female U.S. Four-Star Generals Talk to TIME [Watch (HLS stream): The First Female U.S. Four-Star Generals Talk to TIME](https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/ICHiZDBZ.m3u8) (6:05)  _Published 2012-08-10. Four star-generals Janet Wolfenbarger and Ann Dunwoody reflect back on their pioneering careers_ --- Jul 27, 2023 3:26 PM UTC --- ## More From This Series [All Videos](https://time.com/video/) [FIRSTS Ann Dunwoody ](/video/YghZElk6/) ### FIRSTS Ann Dunwoody [U.S. Surgeon General Steps Down](/video/7Zl6VKb0/) ### U.S. Surgeon General Steps Down [Four Generations by Gillian Laub](/video/13BuBqHh/) ### Four Generations by Gillian Laub --- ## Transcript I'm Mark Thompson with Time Magazine. We're at the Pentagon today to talk to the only two women ever to hold the rank of four- star officers in the U. S. military. They are General Ann Dunwoody of the U. S. Army and General Janet Woffenbarger of the U. S. Air Force. And is this the first time you've met? It is. It is. It, it's just sort of like looking into a mirror, seeing those stars and [ LAUGH ] You know, you see the caliber and I know why she was promoted just having this opportunity to chit chat with you. What people don't understand, and this is only a world, the importance of four stars. But when you walk around this building among other military people. It, I, I, Isn't that true that a layperson might think, you know, okay, an officer's an officer. But when you're in the military culture, you know, it's really hierarchical and it's really a pyramid. And you guys are a little stone right at the tippety- top. Diamond, diamond. Diamond? [ LAUGH ] A girl's best friend. [ LAUGH ] Can you tell us a little story about yourself when you realize. You had become a role model? I avoided early in my career. Any opportunity to go to, for instance a women's leadership symposium, [ LAUGH ] I have now since have the opportunity to attend some women leadership symposiums as the senior ranking woman. And the Air force and the generations that have followed us. They are hungry to be able to interact with the people that came before to understand what works and what doesn't and how did you find that life balance. And I've come to appreciate that I do have a responsibility to give back, to represent my service, so that we can showcase that the Air Force in fact has embraced diversity. That their are gals. In which woman and others of diverse backgrounds can aspire to reach the pinnacles. Do people assume things about you? Do males assume things about you that you sort of have to show? You know some folks say you know I have to do I have to try harder because I''m this or because I'm that has the military moved beyond that and that's not so true anymore or is there still a element of sexism or chauvinism. Remaining. Gender matters, yes. And I think we've come such a long way. When I joined the army in 1975, we still had the women's army corp. To which you. Were part of [ INAUDIBLE ]. Enlisted or were commissioned. That's correct. But that disbanded right after, you know, within the year and then we started the integration of women into the army. And, and like everything, it's an evolution. And you look around, in all the fields, and you see women excelling. I think when we entered and we started that, there were, it wasn't a popular decision, like many decisions that are made at a time, but. Women demonstrated and showed that they could perform equally, and, you know carry the same rucksack as their male counterparts into many of these assignments. Now both of you run massive organizations. One charged with outfitting and equipping our soldiers. One charge without fitting and equipping our airmen and women. It's sort of coincedental I guess that the two female four stars we have are both running aquisition shops. And obviously in some ways that you can argue that that's because women haven't been allowed in combat to the degree their male colleagues have been. Well, I think there are some misperceptions about where women are on the battlefield. And we've had over 250, 000 deployed 44 given their ultimate sacrifice. So the, the perception that women aren't out there on the battlefield and aren't allowed to deploy in their current occupations. the, they are contributing a huge way and they're performing in magnificent ways. The latest of the Atlantic Magazine has Anne- Marie Slaughter's article. called, Why Women Still Can't Have It All. And she is still saying there's a fundamental imbalance, in the American family. And you know, it, it just falls on women to do more. And they can't be as liberated in their careers as, as their husbands, or, or as men are in general. What do you think of that line of talk? There was a point in time when was my husband was, still in active service. He was, stationed separate from me and our two year old daughter [ LAUGH ] at the time. So I got to experience what it was like for a small period of time it was about two and a half years of being a single mom and a very responsible job. And I came to appreciate how very very difficult that can be for some of our young airman some of the young troops who who do that day in and day out. But I maintain that it is all possible it is all about finding that right balance and In the end, I like to think that our careers will be over [ LAUGH ]. And we will have left our family, our friends and our health and it's important to find that balance early in your life so that you have those thing you need for support as you move on. How long before there's going to be a women in the Joint Chiefs? Can give you a date but a, I'm confident one day there will be. [ LAUGH ] Me, too. And would have the exact same answer. [ LAUGH ] Don't need a crystal ball good enough to know a date. I mean it's funny cuz when you think back, and if you'd ask someone 20 years ago when [ UNKNOWN ] female for star, they might have said the same thing. But in reality, it happened pretty quick. Yeah. I mean, do, do you folks get the sense that. As the navy likes to say we are moving here with all deliberate speed. It could have been a little bit faster it could have been a little slower but this is might be around the sweet spot in terms of the way women are advancing through the ranks. Or do you think it should have even been faster? When I came in and this would be true and you were there as well there was still an executive order on the books that if a woman became pregnant she could be seperated. From service. And so just think, in my lifetime we have come from that point to where we are today where we have two women [ CROSSTALK ] four stars in our, in our services, so. I think I'm satisfied with the pace, I think you could always argue that things could happen a little quicker, but, I think we've made great progress in my lifetime. You've been most gracious to chat with us and share these stories, and we appreciate it. Thank you very much for chatting with us today. Thank you. 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