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They are at time.com/newsletters and are separate from a paid subscription. ## Video: After bin Laden: Where Do We Go From Here? [Watch (HLS stream): After bin Laden: Where Do We Go From Here?](https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/GyIYvBxI.m3u8) (6:40)  _Published 2011-05-04. TIME editors Nancy Gibbs and Bobby Ghosh and political columnist Joe Klein discuss the implications -- short-term and long -- of the killing of Osama bin Laden_ --- Jul 27, 2023 3:13 PM UTC --- ## More From This Series [All Videos](https://time.com/video/) [Command Post: Pakistan After bin Laden](/video/VCsbMOfh/) ### Command Post: Pakistan After bin Laden [Anatomy of a Raid: Osama bin Laden's Final Moments](/video/A8p4cZgq/) ### Anatomy of a Raid: Osama bin Laden's Final Moments [Inside the Raid to Kill Osama bin Laden](/video/7wgyaJlk/) ### Inside the Raid to Kill Osama bin Laden --- ## Transcript For ten years, Osama bin Laden was the most wanted man in the world. [ FOREIGN ] We imagined he was in a cave somewhere. We imagined he might be dead and we would never know about it. Late on a Sunday, night we learned that in fact he had been killed by an American Seal team. Living like a soccer dad in the suburbs of Pakistan. I'm here with Joe Klein, our national political columnist and Bobby Gauche, our deputy international editor, to talk about what happened and what this means and where we go from here. Bobby, did you ever imagine it would end this way? no, I did not. I, I thought that that that the CLT or the CIAT would get him. I thought it was more likely that he would be in, in a cave somewhere. And that it would be I, I was 50 / 50 whether it would be a drone strike or human boots on the ground that got him. I could never in a million years have dreamed that he would be in the Pakistani equivalent of Westchester, outside of Islamabad, living large in a mansion. No, not, not for a moment. So if you are sitting in the white house situation room, today. How is that conversation going? You're certainly aware of the short term risk of highly elevated threat level now in reaction to this. And you have, it seems to me a very complicated problem to solve. Viza viz Pakistan going forward. Yeah, it's true. Well, the first thing I'm sure they did is double down on the security which is pretty intense around the US Embassy in Pakistan. that, that, that Embassy is Islamabad has been attacked in the past. I wouldn't surprised if it happened again over the next few days. And I would also not be surprised if. A number of their high ranking officials were on the fun, phone, not only with President Zardari and the Prime Minister Gillani, but also and, maybe even more importantly, with the head of the Pakistani Army, General Kayani. And the, and the, the head of the ISI, the Internal Service Intelligence Director, General Pasha. To just say, okay, guys, you know, we found this out on our own. You didn't know? What are we to make of that? What are you, you know, how do you think, see our alliance going forward? On the one hand this is a day we have been waiting for, for nearly a decade. On the other hand. One could argue, given the extraordinary events we have seen across the Arab world we have seen this winter and spring, that the war had already been won. That he has already been defeated. That his ideas had lost in the war of ideas. And his tactics had lost the larger battle for the hearts and minds of the young Arabs he would've liked to have been his next. Generation of soldiers. How much does this matter? Well, the, the timing couldn't have been better. But just when the Arab youth revolutionaries were putting the final nails in the coffin of Bin Ladenism, we've gone and killed Bin Laden. So the two put together make, make perfect sense. Bin Laden, we've said for several years now, he's only a symbol, it's important to be a symbol and we've done that. But now, the next step is how you, help to mop up the, the remnants, not just for Al- Qaeda but the remnants of that ideology. And I think that the answer is that you step back and you let. The Arab societies deal with it themselves. You provide all the assistance you can, but they've shown that they're willing to take the lead, and you allow it. Joe, what's the most important thing that has to happen to ensure that there is not a new Bin Laden who is able to find an audience for his message? I would say that there has to be freedom and long term economic success in the in, in, in the Islamic world but particularly in the in the Arab world. A lot of this dissatisfaction and, and anger that led to this movement came out of the lack of freedom. And the behavior dictators and in, in, in this region. I also think that, you know, we're not out of the woods yet. There is, you know, a growing al Qaeda force in Yemen led by a guy who may be the next charismatic leader of al Qaeda Anwar al- Awlaki, who is American. There's also still Zawahiri and, you know, there are other terrorists out there. I for one would be watching very closely Lashbari Tiger in Pakistan. Which is a group that has the greatest ambition, has already demonstrated the ability to reach outside of its comfort zone and strike. It's struck Indian targets, American targets. These are the guys who did the Mumbai attacks. The Mumbai attacks. And this is a group that if we thought that Osama bin Laden had the support of the Pakistani establishment, Lashbari Tiger is the Pakistan establishment. [ CROSSTALK ] They are so in deeply entrenched with the ISI, with the military, with the Pakistan elite, that it's that, they're inseparable. So, that's the group I would now be watching. Very closely, and worrying about. And if I was in the in the administration, that's the group I would be putting pressure in Pakistan, to start delivering on. The other thing we should note about this week is the impact it's had on President Obama. This happens the same week. That he, he reveals his long- form, form birth certificate. The three of us were at the White House Correspondents' dinner, listening to him make fun of the birthers and all the people who doubted his, you know, his nationality and his patriotism, as this operation was taking place. Yeah. And so, you know, he has to feel tremendous satisfaction. And those on the other side who have, you know, who've, you know, accused him of being a secret Muslim and maybe he was in league with Osama and aren't their names pretty similar. [ LAUGH ] Really. And when mistaken the two I, I think that this should put an awful lot of that to rest. Well, thank you gentlemen for your thoughts and we may be gathered around this table again. Since there are still a few left on our most wanted list and it appears that our ability to reach them is far more powerful than even we had realized. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. [ BLANK_AUDIO ] [ SOUND ] ```json {"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"VideoObject","name":"After bin Laden: Where Do We Go From Here?","description":"TIME editors Nancy Gibbs and Bobby Ghosh and political columnist Joe Klein discuss the implications -- short-term and long -- of the killing of Osama bin Laden","thumbnailUrl":"https://cdn.jwplayer.com/v2/media/GyIYvBxI/poster.jpg?width=720","uploadDate":"2011-05-04T19:42:34.000Z","contentUrl":"https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/GyIYvBxI.m3u8","embedUrl":"https://time.com/video/GyIYvBxI/","duration":"PT6M40S","potentialAction":{"@type":"SeekToAction","target":"https://time.com/video/GyIYvBxI/?jw_start={seek_to_second_number}","startOffset-input":"required name=seek_to_second_number"}} ```