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## Video: Q&A with Bono

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_Published 2011-12-01. U2 frontman and AIDS activist Bono talks to TIME's Rick Stengel about the latest developments in the global fight against HIV/AIDS_


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## Transcript

What is this moment now? It's, it's mathematics. When a, a pandemic is on the decline, at the moment when the, when less people are infected than are being treated. That's how it works. Mm- hm. Right now, for every person treated with antiretroviral drug therapy, two people get infected. Not shocking. Mm- hm. That has been the case for four years. This year with some breakthroughs in science, and, and a few a little more practical there's a chance to turn that around. Those breakthroughs are, they've discovered that anti uh, retroviral drugs if administered early on diagnosis have a preventative power.

Male circumcision has now come out as being a really, really powerful tool to fight the disease. And, if the commitment to control mother- to- child transmission. Right. Of the disease is controlled, which is relatively cheap, in comparison to treating the child when it arrives. Those three things together have the effect of lowering from between sort of 40 to 60 % of infections. Once it gets to 60 %, less than one person affected. Wow! That's an amazing moment. If, if the I, if everyone recommits, that's what this moment will be. And what we've asked for. Is a commitment to move the 4 million people who were treated today by the United States trades on PEPFA to get to 6 million by 2013.

We think, the president is gonna walk in the room with that commitment. And if he does, we will punch the air because not only is it great news for the people who get those drugs, it literally is the beginning of the end of AIDS. If Congress disagrees, if the American people disagree, there's harsh economic recession biting at everyone's heels. Right. Then we could actually blow it. So this is the worst time to stop. So how did the, how did we get to this point? February 2003, the State of the Union speech, President Bush walked in. And offered 15 billion dollar over five years to fight this disease.

And there were about 300, 000 people in the world, in the developing world, on antiretroviral drugs. That's 2002. Right. Is now 6. 6 million. So, we've come a long way. President Clinton, who's sort of creative intelligence and negotiating skills, worked so hard to get the price of these antiretrovirals down. Right. And it's very important to point out that the evangelical Christian community. Who had been very judgmental about this AIDS actually repented. They really, as you say in America, got busy. Right. You've gotta go back to John Carey and Frist. Mm- hm. They had a bill, the Frist- Carey bill in the Senate.

Mm- hm. Which was, you know, years before. Right. Wh, which was a line in the sand on the United States taking the lead on this issue. But in the end, President Bush, had to make that call. I think, he was being very smart. Africa is to him what China was to Nixon. And I think that's very clever, because by 2050 Africa's population will be 2 billion. There are as we speak 15 African economies about to be middle income. The demand for American goods, for American technology engineering, is vast. I think was very long term of he and his administration to, to, to be that committed to the continent.

Mm- hm. And so what's going on with the global fund, I mean haven't they announced that there's gonna be a diminishment of funding in the next quarter and some of these programs will only last until 2014? It's really, really tricky. Mm- hm. There are some nations on hold. yeah. For their next grant. The percentage of government spending, that this represents, all development. Right. Is less than 1 % of the government budget. Right. Or if you want to see it as, as GDP. 22, I think it where the United States is at right now. Right. I just say that because, people are polled, have this thing that foreign aid is 20 % of the budget.

Right. And when you tell them that, you know, it's, it's a tiny fragment, and then you tell them the effect. That their tax dollars are having transforming lives around the world. And these tiny pieces of aids saved 5 million lives. For that people are, people will punch the air. But it is true about activists, that we do [ LAUGH ], we love to sort of sound the bull horn and, and kind of placard our point of view. I never ever applaud when things are turned around. We're almost shocked if, if people start to agree with us. Hm. And I think it's important in this moment for me to, to come back and thank, thank people.

Actually in cuz, cuz, cuz I don't think it happens enough. And that is really why I am here.

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