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They are at time.com/newsletters and are separate from a paid subscription. ## Video: How the Mother of an October 7 Hostage Found Unity in Grief [Watch (HLS stream): How the Mother of an October 7 Hostage Found Unity in Grief](https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/Bi5Cz8rp.m3u8) (15:50)  _Published 2026-04-22. There’s a moment in Rachel Goldberg-Polin's new memoir where she describes a video call with President Joe Biden and the families of American hostages kidnapped in Israel on October 7, 2023. While on the call, one of the mothers found out that her second daughter had been killed by Hamas. Her first daughter had already been killed earlier in the conflict. “All of us started screaming, and he put his head in his hands and started to move, and we could hear him weeping. And it was a real human moment of unity within suffering,” Goldberg-Polin says. Rachel Goldberg-Polin’s son, Hersh, was one of 251 people kidnapped on October 7. 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We photographed Rachel and Jon alongside pictures of Hirsch on the cover of time eight days later, after being held hostage for 328 days, Hirsch was executed along with five other hostages for her advocacy. Rachel was named to the time 100 in 2024. She's the author of an extraordinary new book published yesterday. When We See You Again, Rachel. When we first met on the 102nd day, you said to me then that you told yourself each morning, pretend to be human. What did it mean then, to pretend to be human? Well, I think that. We were in a very unusual odyssey of having had our only son stolen from us, knowing that he had his dominant left forearm blown off during the abduction, and that he was being held alive in unbearable and unimaginable conditions. And the torment and torture that we were going through was so visceral and challenging that each morning my first inclination upon waking was to lie in a ball in the fetal position on the floor and and feel completely helpless. But I knew that that was not going to help get him home or any of the other 250 hostages. And so there was part of the mantra, and there were several was pretend to be human. Go. Do you still feel like you're pretending? I often feel that I'm and I talk about this in the book, that there are moments of acting, pretending, lying, faking it, which I think all of us do at different points in our lives, and especially when we're when we are experiencing pain and suffering and there's a lack of understanding of what that arc looks like, that we aren't permitted sometimes to experience being in an excruciating place. And so we sort of put on this facade and we go to work, or we're in our relationships, or we're in our friendships and in these dynamics. And yet we're not really telling the truth because we don't think that we would be held. and scaffold in a way that we need. So we pretend. You mentioned having these mantras. One of them. Another one was Hope is mandatory. Go. Where on earth did you find hope? Well, when Hirsch was still alive and being held, that became almost. I thought of it more as a demand from myself for John, my husband. Um, it wasn't advice of stay hopeful, you'll see him again. Or it wasn't a suggestion. It actually was a demand because there's such a fine line between hope and despair. And once we fall into that quicksand of despair, it is so sticky and tricky to get out. And so we just couldn't permit it. And that's part of what we struggle with now, because we needed to put all of that angst and misery and confusion in these satchels and buckle them really tight and put them into storage to try to run to get these people home. And now what do we do with that storage locker full of murky befuddlement? You mentioned despair. There's a moment you describe in the book of a Zoom call with President Biden, and he's putting his head in his hands, and he's weeping during this call. What happened at that moment? Well, that was very early on. Um, he was meeting with the American, um, civilians who had been taken hostage. And on the call, one of the mothers was, you know, we're like looking at these diorama scenes as all of us have done on zooms. And she leaves her little room for a couple of minutes, and she came back and she unmuted and started this primal, horrific wounded animal screaming because she had just been told that they found her second daughter. She had already found out that her first daughter had been killed, and they had just found the second body. So both of her girls were gone, and all of us were on mute except for the president. And all of us started screaming, and he put his head in his hands and started to weep, and we could hear him weeping. And it was a real human moment of Unity within suffering, which is where we find ourselves now. Because Hirsch was executed on the 328th day that he was being held. And so when when we received him back, we got him back in a bag with six bullet wounds, close range. His hair was covered in gunpowder. He was emaciated, skeletal, filthy. And what do we do with that now? And yet we have become almost a magnet for so many people who are experiencing pain. You know, it doesn't matter what the circumstance is that brings you to a loss or suffering or mourning or grief. What matters is that this is part of the human enterprise. We will all experience these sensations at some point And that, strangely, is unifying. That scene with the president has stuck in my head, because I think a lot of this book and a lot of your experience has been a lesson in power and how power works, and what are the limits of power. What do you think you learned about about power and the people who hold it? Well, it's interesting. I actually don't feel at all that this is a tell all or a memoir or a he did this and she did that. This book for me, extremely. To me, it is a love letter that is swaddled in pain. Or perhaps it's a pain letter that is doused in love. And it's not about people in power, and it's not about people of influence and interests. And I really actually don't ever mention the names of anybody in the book, including the president. You had a front row seat to people who have a lot of power. And I think you learned a lot about how it's used. I did, and I actually tragically grew to understand that so much is theatrically choreographed theater, and that 99% of us, and I include myself in the 99 that we are sheep. And I actually think we want to be sheep. And I crave being sheep. I crave being a sheep again. And I feel confused that I was privy to how the world actually works for like this very small section of, of this period of, of this chapter of confusing torment. And, um, it's hard to integrate that we have been given these godly characteristics. Um, and we've been imbued with insight and intellect and wisdom, and yet we don't use those to their full capacity and that we so desperately want to be led and the people who want to lead, that's sort of a red flag. If you think of the most tremendous leaders in world history. My husband, John, pointed this out. He said, it's the reluctant leaders who actually have been our most profound leaders. Eli Sarabhai's memoir of his 491 days as a hostage of Hamas, ran on the cover of time. There's a passage from it that I want to just quickly read. Sharabi writes that Hirsch told him he who has a. Why can bear any. How? A line from Viktor Frankl. I mull it over. He writes about this encounter with your son. The saying feels like a gift. It matches the spirit I am already in. Even hearing the words, I am already living them. I have a why many whys and I'm focused on surviving, on living, on being, on returning alive and well to my family and my life. I have a why. The first night in the tunnels passes, then the second. Soon another will pass. I can do this. I can survive anything. What does that moment mean to you? I think we all will come to moments in our lives where we don't understand why we're dropped into a situation that seems so arduous and so insurmountable. And I take a tremendous amount of solace knowing that Hirsch was saying that to so many people in the tunnels. And now I am very much focused, as is John. On picking up Hersh's why and figuring out what is our why. And you know, that can seem tremendously overwhelming, but instead we can say, what is my why for today? Or what is my why in this dynamic or relationship for this month? And I think that instead of feeling overwhelmed, we can just feel like I actually mentioned in the book, if anyone's seen The Shawshank Redemption, you know, you can focus on chipping away, chip away, chip away, chip away. I'm not trying to do a spoiler here. If people have not seen that, there might be young people here. I can't see you. But you know, I'm old and but I think there are huge lessons in that, which also are reflected, by the way, in the Jewish Tradition in Ethics of Our Fathers, which is part of the Mishnah, the oral law. There's Rabbi Tarfon who says, don't get overwhelmed. It's not on you to complete the task, but you are not exempt from doing nothing. You have. Everybody has to do. Chip. Chip, chip. Speaking of the Jewish tradition, you quote the Talmud in your book, this line, a person's feet will always take them where they're supposed to be. How do you make sense of the fact that this is where you're supposed to be? I very much believe in that. You know, there are many permutations of that passage. It's, um, originally in Victor Frankel's book, Man's Search for Meaning, he talks about this, uh, folk tale that's called Death in Tehran. And there is a version of it in ancient Mesopotamia. There's a version of it in Islam, and there's a version of it in um in Judaism, in the Talmud. And ultimately it's saying if you try to outrun your destiny or trick your path, it's not going to work. You're going to run face first into where you're supposed to be. And it actually gives me tremendous solace knowing that even though I hate that Hersh is not here, I happen to be a person of faith, and I know he's not supposed to be here now. And the way I know it is, he's not here. You share the Billy Collins poem, The Lanyard, in your book, quoting the line, you can never repay your mother. I disagree, you write. I know how Hersh repaid me. How did he do it? He stayed alive. He fought and kept himself alive for 328 days, allowing me to try to save him. And there's a very esteemed ultra-Orthodox rabbi here in New York, actually, who contacted me after Hirsch was killed. And he said, listen to me. You're the mother of a Holocaust survivor. He did absolutely everything right, and he survived. And then he was killed. And just know that you will always be in pain. But that's okay, because I started to realize in writing this, is that the grief is a badge of love that we wear because the love doesn't die. The person can die. The love keeps growing. It's like bamboo. And everyone in here who has lost someone knows what I'm talking about. It is. And therefore that love that we can no longer project onto the person with the five senses that we have that we normally use to interact with people in this world. That love becomes this badge that is known as grief, and it is the price that we pay for having love. And I will tell you something, it is excruciating and I hate it. And I would pay this price again and again every single day because I had that delicious boy for 23 years and 340 days in this world with me. Rachel Goldberg, thank you. Hope is mandatory. Thank you for being here. 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