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They are at time.com/newsletters and are separate from a paid subscription. ## Video: After bin Laden: Where Do We Go From Here? [Watch (HLS stream): After bin Laden: Where Do We Go From Here?](https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/BQ5wXXsc.m3u8) (6:40)  _Published 2011-05-04. TIME editors Nancy Gibbs and Bobby Ghosh and political columnist Joe Klein discuss the implications -- short-term and long -- of the killing of Osama bin Laden_ --- Jul 27, 2023 3:13 PM UTC --- ## More From This Series [All Videos](https://time.com/video/) [Command Post: Pakistan After bin Laden](/video/VCsbMOfh/) ### Command Post: Pakistan After bin Laden [Anatomy of a Raid: Osama bin Laden's Final Moments](/video/A8p4cZgq/) ### Anatomy of a Raid: Osama bin Laden's Final Moments [Inside the Raid to Kill Osama bin Laden](/video/7wgyaJlk/) ### Inside the Raid to Kill Osama bin Laden --- ## Transcript [ SOUND ] For ten years Osama Bin Laden was the most wanted man in the world. [ FOREIGN ] We imagined he was in a cave somewhere. We imagined he might be dead and we would never know about it. Late on Sunday night, we realized that in fact. He had been killed by an American Seal team, living like a soccer dad in the suburbs of Pakistan. I'm here with Joe Kline, our national political columnist, and Bobby Ghosh, deputy international editor, to talk about what happened, and what this means, and where we go from here. Bobby, did you ever imagine it would end this way? no, I did not. I, I thought that, that a, the seal team or a CIA team would get him. I thought it was more likely that he would be, in a cave somewhere. And that it would be a, it was 50 / 50 whether it would be a drone strike, or human boots on the ground that got him. I could never, in a million years, have dreamt that we would be in the. Pakistani equivalent of West Chester outside of Islamabad, living large in a mansion. No, not for a moment. So if you are sitting in the White House situation room today. How is that conversation going? You're certainly aware of the short term risk of highly elevated threat level now in reaction to this. And you have, seems to me, very complicated problem to solve [ INAUDIBLE ] Pakistan going forward. Yeah. It's true. Well, the first thing I'm sure they did is double down on the security. Which is pretty intense, around the U. S. Embassy in Pakistan. That embassy in Islamabad has been attacked in the past. And I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again over the next few days. And I would also not be surprised if, a number of our high- ranking officials were on the fun, phone not only with President Zardari and the Prime Minister Jolani but also, and maybe even more importantly. With the head of the Pakistani army General Kayani and the, and the head of the ISI the Inter Service Intelligence director General Pasha. To just say okay guys, you know, we found this out on our own you didn't know? What are we to make of that? What do you, you know, how do you see our alliance going forward? On one hand this is a day we have been waiting for, for nearly a decade. On the other hand one could argue, given the extraordinary events we have seen across the Arab world this winter and spring, that the war had already been won. That he had already been defeated. That his ideas. Had lost in the war of ideas. And his tactics had lost the larger battle for the hearts and minds of the young Arabs he would have liked to have been his next generation of soldiers. How much does this matter? well, the timing couldn't have been better. That just when the Arab Youth revolutionaries. We're putting the final nails in the coffin of Bin Ladenism. We've gone and killed Bin Laden. So the two together make, make perfect sense. Bin Laden, we've said for several years now, is only a symbol. It's important to deal with symbols and we've done that. But now, the next step is how do you help. To mop up the, the remnants, not just of Al Qaeda, but the remnants of that ideology. And I think the, the answer is, you step back and you let the Arab societies deal with it themselves. You provide all the assistance you can, but they have shown that they're willing to take the lead, and you allow it. Joe, [ CROSSTALK ] what's the most important thing that has to happen to ensure that there is not a new Bin Laden? Who is able to find an audience for his message. I would say that there has to be freedom and long- term economic success in the in, in the, in, in the Islamic world, but particularly in the, in the Arab world. A lot of the dissatisfaction and anger that led to this movement. Came out of the lack of freedom and the behavior dictators in this region. I also think that you know, we're not out of the woods yet. There is, you know, a growing Al Qaeda force in Yemen led by a guy who might be the next charismatic leader of. Al Qaeda. Anwar Lamacki who's Amereican and there's also still Zwahrir and you know there's other terrorists out there. I for one would be watching very closely Lashkar Tiber in Palistan which is a group that has the greatest ambition has already demonstrated the ability to reach outside. Its comfort zone and strike. It struck Indian targets, American targets. These are the guys who did the Mumbai attacks. The [ CROSSTALK ] Mumbai attacks. And this is a group that if we thought that Osama Bin Laden had the support of the Pakistani establishment, [ UNKNOWN ] is the Pakistani establishment. It is. They are so in deep. Entrenched with the ISI, with the military, with the Pakistani elite that is, they're inseparable. So that's the group I would now be watching very closely and worrying about and if I was in the administratino that's the group I would be putting pressure on Pakistan to start delivering. The other thing we should note about this week. The impact it's had on President Obama. This happens the same week that he, he reveals his long form, form birth certificate. The three of us, were at the White House correspondence dinner listening here to him make fun of the birthers and all the people who doubted his. You know, his nationality and his patriotism as this operation was taking place. Yeah. And so you know, he has to feel tremendous satisfaction. And those on the other side who have, you know, who've, you know, accused him of being a secret Muslim. And maybe he was in league with o, Osama, and aren't their names pretty similar [ LAUGH ] and everything. When mistaking the two, I, I think that this should put an awful lot of that to rest. Well, thank you gentlemen for your thoughts, and we maybe gathered around this table again. Since there's still a few left on our most wanted list. And it appears that our ability reach them is far more powerful than even we had. I realized. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. 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