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We are here today at NASA headquarters in Washington, DC for a press briefing on a report from independent study team on unidentified anomalous. Phenomena we have for speakers here. Today, we have Bill Nelson, our NASA administrator Nikki, Fox, the associate administrator for the science Mission directorate, Dan Evans. The assistant Deputy associate administrator for research within the science Mission directorate and David's Peugeot who is the president of the Simons foundation and was also the chair of this particular, independent study team everybody in the room two, please silence your cell phones, we will get started with everybody giving a few opening remarks and then we will take questions with a question spelled in the room and then from the phones and for now I will hand it over to the administrator. Thanks so much and thanks for coming today. NASA searches for the unknown in Aaron space. It's in our DNA. From digging on Mars with the perseverance Rover and those little titanium tubes that we intend to go back into cup digging in dry lake bed, near the mouth of a river. Now we're going up to the top of the cliff. Where are the scientists feel that there could be the best examples of if there were life, there millions of years ago? whether we're dealing with perseverance or the James Webb Space Telescope, which searches for exoplanets with signs of habitability, We are looking for signs of Life past and present. And it's in our DNA to explore and to ask why things are the way they are. In June of last year, NASA commissioned, an independent study team to examine unidentified anomalous phenomena. We did so with a few goals in mind. First to examine how NASA can use our expertise and instruments to study UAP from a scientific perspective. Second shift the conversation about UAP from sensationalism to science. And to make sure that whatever we find or whatever, we recommend to make sure that information is shared transparently around the world. There's a global fascination with UAP. on my travels, one of the first questions I often get is about these sightings and much of that Fascination is due to the unknown nature of it. Think about it, most UAP sightings result in very limited data. That makes it even more difficult to draw scientific conclusions about the nature of UAP. And so this independent study team brought together some of the world's leading scientists data and artificial intelligence experts say Aerospace, safety specialist all with a specific charge from me. Which is to tell how to apply the full focus of Science and data to UAP. And this is the first time that NASA has taken concrete action to seriously. Look into UAP. And this independent study team was just that independent. Now. NASA has a statutory authority to look for life in the universe. And when you think of the universe and especially what we have learned from the James Webb Space Telescope, how vast that it is. We knew before and it was a NASA scientist, Dr. John Mather, who got the Nobel that determined that the Universe was 13.8 billion years old. And over the years, particularly accelerated in the last century. We have an understanding that the course hours is not the only Galaxy. And there are billions and billions of galaxies and each of those galaxies including our own have billions and billions of stars. And with the James Webb, looking at the exoplanets. We are now beginning to discover. and Somewhere Out There, we will discover Another medium sized Stoney planet around a medium sized sun or star. At just the right distance. Not too far, not too close with a tilt in its axis. That rotates. That has carbon That will have a habitable atmosphere. If you ask me. Do I believe there's life in a universe? That is so vast that it's hard for me to comprehend how big it is. My personal answer is yes. But I asked some of our scientists. As a matter of fact, the Washington Post editorial board asked us to come down to the question. What is the mathematical probability that there is life out there in the universe? and if you calculate in billions of stars in billions, Of galaxies. That there's replicated. What I just said, another Stony planet. The answer was, what's the likelihood. At least a trillion. That's from our scientists. So we start this. Without any preconceived notions but understanding that we're in a world of Discovery and we have taken, we NASA have taken for the first time concrete action to seriously. Look into UAP. And this independent study team is exactly that. It's independent. They worked to develop recommendations about how NASA could better examine them from a scientific perspective. And the top takeaway from the study is that there is a lot more to learn. The NASA independent study team. Did not find any evidence that UAP have an extraterrestrial origin. But we don't know what these UAP are. That's why I'm announcing that NASA has appointed a NASA director of UAP research. They are being tasked with developing and overseeing the implementation of NASA's vision4you, AP research. We will use NASA's expertise to work with other agencies to analyze you a p. We will use Ai and machine learning to search the skies for anomalies as we have been searching, the heavens and will continue to search the heavens for habitability. And NASA will do this transparently. So while today is a significant step for NASA, it's certainly not our final step. And we are going to share more with you and I want to introduce you to doctor Nikki Fox, who is the head of our science Mission? Directorate naked. Good morning and thank you so much of ministration Nelson. It's always tough to follow Ville. He's such a great speaker, but I want to thank the independent study team for their amazing service on the study and full that continued contributions towards the advancement of our nation's understanding of unidentified anomalous phenomena p. A spell just eloquently said, uapi. One of our planet's greatest Mysteries and it's really due to the limited number of high-quality data that surrounds such incidents and often rendered some unidentifiable. Well, there are numerous eyewitness accounts and visuals associated with UAP, then not consistent, send out details and then not curated observations that can be used to make definitive scientific conclusions about the nature and the origin of UAP. The language of scientists is date. And data points to what the scientific conclusion to what the nature and the origin of UAP could be. That leads, as to why we're here today. The independent study teams report is now public and it can be found at Nasa. Sorry science. Nasa.gov / UAP Vanessa is working to evaluate the report and to assess the independent study team's findings and recommendations. NASA is committed to immediately, contributing to the federal government's unified, UAP effort. And as you had, we have appointed a director of you, a few such. In the role, they will centralized Communications resources and Deja analytical capabilities across the federal government to establish a robust database for the evaluation of any future data additional director of UAP results. Will also leverage NASA's expertise in artificial intelligence machine learning and space-based observation tools that will support and enhance the broader government initiative into UAP, they will serve as an Asus point of contact for government entities, but especially for the older main anomaly resume. Turn office or arrow. And this will ensure a coordinated effort and effective communication channels beyond our director of UAP research. NASA will also Advanced citizen reporting by working with the public and commercial pilot to collect a broader set of data to add to the the vast data. Repositories to not only contribute to a broader more reliable data set for future UAP incidents. But you're also contribute to the D stigmatisation of the important study of you a piece. And with that, it is my great pleasure to hand over to talk to Dan Evans. Who isn't the NASA official responsible for supporting this amazing study. Good morning. I'd like to begin by expressing my sincere. Thanks to NASA, administrator Bill Nelson, for directing this study we at Nasa, believe the understanding UAP is vital for several reasons. First, and foremost, it provides an opportunity for us to expand our understanding of the world. Around us at Nasa, we are committed to charting the Uncharted service work aligns with who we are. Secondly, the study aims to enhance situational awareness, the presence of p a p, raises serious concerns about the safety of our skies and it's this nation's obligation to determine whether these phenomena post, any potential risks to a space safety. Let's not forget that. The first a in NASA is Aeronautics. So by understanding the nature of UAP, we can Ask ice Remain the safe space for all straight. To Nelson directed us to put together an independent and external team of weld leading a steps to produce a report. Containing a road map with a series of recommendations that describe how NASA could best help in the cross. Government response to UAP months of meticulous fact-finding, cross-disciplinary collaboration and scientific rigor gave the team insights that will greatly enhance our nation's understanding. If you 80 going forward, the team's report now available on NASA's website stands as a testament to NASA's and the team's commitment to transparency to the power of science into the unwavering quest for knowledge. we at Nasa believe the studying UAP represents an exciting step forward in our journey to uncover the mysteries of the world around us by embracing a scientific weaving shoulder are what is evidence based on data driven advice value in transparency and openness we have aimed to Foster trust and collaboration with a public. I'd like to conclude by extending my deepest, gratitude to the team for the incredible dedication and service that Essence. Instrumental and I truly appreciate the expertise and commitment to each of them about to this endeavor, without a pass over to talk to David spoke of his shadow study. First and foremost, I'd like to extend our sincere gratitude to the NASA administrator. Friend trusting us with this pivotal study. Your faith, in our capabilities has been a driving force behind the panels approach. The panel's comprehensive study into an identified anomalous phenomena, are you a p has led to several crucial findings? And I'd like to elucidate on our methodology and those findings this morning. We began by rigorously assessing the current state of UAP data. Our goal was not to repeat the work about the arrow. But you understand the nature of the reports or goal was to produce a roadmap for NASA to contribute to the understanding of the nature of UAP events. We looked at NASA's assets, will they provide a comprehensive picture of the ocean, your surface and atmosphere for studying our evolving Planet? They typically do not have the resolution needed for UAP events. Have her by providing data on environmental conditions, they can complement other date on UAP. The current approach to UAP data collection has led to a limited sample of events and limited data. Stigma has limited reporting by pilots, both civilian and Military. So we know there's missing data. for its analysis and other areas and ass always takes a scientific approach of systematic data, collection that involves calibrating instruments, multiple measurements and ensuring our metadata Most UAP events, lack, this quality of data. One of NASA's contribution to the broader governmental effort to bring these methodologies to create a data set. Is to bring your methodology trade data said, that's both reliable and extensive. And once we have a while asset large sample of well-characterized events, I'm a i n n l tools, which are proving to be powerful and some of the other applications will likely prove helpful in identifying interesting anomalies. It is essential to clarify based on a current findings and methodology that we find no evidence to suggest that you a p or extraterrestrial in origin. A focus on understanding the phenomenon of her, regardless of the source and previous work from the RO has shown that most events are explainable as planes balloons. Drones weather phenomenon and instrument features and in any search for interesting anomalies, the first step is to eliminate the chaff of conventional events before moving on to identify novel. Phenomena. In this, the Public's role cannot be overstated. The panel and vision to framework that leverages crowdsourcing possibly be a smartphone applications to capture a broad spectrum of data. Ensuring more eyes and ears on the ground. Lastly, we delved into the safety concerns. UAP percent with in US airspace by integrating UAP collection, within our current Aviation Reporting System. The panel believes, we can provide insights into potential safety risks associated with police and fundamentally by studying events. We don't understand. We advance our understanding So in conclusion, with the regular Smith ology collaborative efforts, public engagement, NASA can be a key player in the whole of government approach to understand. Thank you. Thank you so much to all of our speakers. We will start taking questions for those in the room. We have a microphone over here that we would ask you to speak into. We will also be alternating with questions from those on the phone line, for those of you who are in the phone line, please press star 1 to get on to the Q. We will try to answer as many as we can today. I will see how it goes. Please sir. Thank you very much and thank you for being here to quick questions. One is, how can we make the determination of what? Something isn't when we don't know what it is and be after a careful review of the data. If it's determined that some underline the word some 10 times. UFOs. Are you a p originate from a non-human intelligence? What's the plan to disclose that to the public? I'm sorry. I'm what Outlet Independent Media? It's on, let me repeat what I said. I think it's important that you hear this word for work. The NASA independent study team. Did not find any evidence that UAP have an extraterrestrial origin. But we don't know what these UAP are. The. Mission of NASA is to find out the unknown. I've said several times in my comments here today that we NASA deal openly and we will be transparent on this. And we're trying to address the the question. There's so much concern that there's something locked up classify. And that the American government is not being open. Well, we are the American government and we are open and we're going to be open about this. We don't again. I'm going to repeat that statement but we don't know what these UAP are, but we're going to try to find out. Thank you very much in. Is there a plan in place? If it is? Determined that some of them represent originate from a non-human intelligence to tell the public? Is there a plan or If we are what I said, we intend to be which is transparent. Bet your boots. We will say that. And I've tried to set the table for you by telling you what I personally believe in a universe. That is so fast. That could there be a replication of life on Earth elsewhere in another solar system? That is so big. The distance. It would have to be a very Advanced civilization, the distances, you know, light-years hundreds of light years, billions of light years. But whatever we find, we're going to tell you. Take me to watch that moves on to the next question. Please do identify yourself. Thanks sir. This is Joe your life from Reuters. I will question for Bill Nelson or any of the other panelists. So you've appointed director of UAP research and you name someone to that role and what kind of investment are you considering making a messes is going to be a new program office. Have you thought of funding figures, Etc? Thanks Oh yes, we have a leave already appointed the person. They've been working there for a while now, during the study to to help via a point of contact, and we will eat at that any budget discussion supposed to bury a pot in a very intricate federal budget request in so that then don't know something that we discussed openly but we will certainly look at what we so need to be allocated. Can you name the official? Whose only one not get his name on them? Thank you. I'll take another one from in the room. Hello. I'm down rivers from British broadcaster, ITV News, I heard the word stigma mentioned, several times that you want to remove the stigma. Is your message two pilots and other people. This is no longer The Preserve of cranks and you won't be laughed at and that you will take them. Seriously. That's like what we left my scientist. We loved ASA wheel of an old Jason and if there is something that needs to be reported and need weed, we want people to be able to feel that they can report that, you know, we spoke in the, in the open hearing that we had here, just a few months ago, and remind me when it was done about, we wanted to remove the stigma and we also did not tolerate any of the abuse that some of the members of the panel, we're receiving to take you on social media for doing this really important scientific study. So absolutely we One Pilots and both Private Pilot commercial Pilot's military Pilots to feel that if they see something that they need to report it and I want to repeat the way I said it. We want to shift the conversation about you a piece from sensationalism to science. I think of this in terms of the signs, we see around for security, which side, if you see something, say something, I think in this context, we would summarize it is. If you see something, collect high-quality data on it cuz then we can learn If I made it, I just noticed in the report that go fast incident was one, that was picked out a knot head being held up as an example of a, of a very credible sighting that you seem to be pouring down from. Can you just talk to that? We looked at that is one example. And, you know, I think this is something that arrow is actually done a very good job of going through the events and most of us are going to turn out. Even if there are some events that in the end, turn out to be something awful, most of us are going to turn out to be. conventional things balloons, airplanes and someone I think of the process of discovery of anomalies, As looking for a needle in a haystack. And if you want to find a needle in a haystack, you've got two choices either, you know, exactly what the needle looks like, and you design a very good filter to look for the needle. Cold Mac, filtering arms, Or you don't know what you're looking for and with anomalies that's really the case were in the looking for things. We don't understand. So if you want to find something strange, in a haystack, you better know exactly what. Hey And you better be able to characterize that really what? And that's why I in a process like this, and this is something that I think we bring. To this as we look for anomalies is you need to know what typical regular things look like under all conditions, you need to know what Balloons look like when filing under usual conditions so that you can eliminate those events. And that's why in identifying anomalies understanding. The normal is a very important in understanding that under different observing conditions and collecting data in a uniform way. Mean, this is what we do. When we study anomaly. Strong in space science. What are other areas of Science and what we're trying to do is bring this approach to this field by saying, collect high-quality data, understand the normal, and that's how we move things forward. Who live on 2? Next question, please. A hello. I'm, I'm known your vinyl from bikinis. I'm just a follow-up from the stigma and questioned at UAP. It's been, you know, used in part D Sigma ties, but his most people use UFOs, most of the American public most of the wild use that time. So I wonder how much is a stigma still a problem for you? And what are you practically doing? 22 about it, relates to his people. And the second one second question and you report and notice that you said, AIA is a very essential tool for identifying that Karen says yesterday, we were out this big AI Summit. We had 100 sentences me single, the big tycoons, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and we need it to be regulated. Does that concern you? Or you worried that? It might help you or what? Thank you very much. Who are two big questions? first of all, do I personally believe that needs to be? I have some boundaries the answer to that for our existentialism. Yes. Can you do that within the appropriate balance? So that has I said in my remarks that we're going to utilize AI as one of the tools as we search for what is an answer to the UAP? And so no, I don't think that any attempts to that, the Congress has underway to try to write a law that would appropriately. Put a guard rails around AI for other reasons is anyway, going to inhibit. From utilizing the tools of AI to help us in our Quest on this specific issue and what was your other question the whole thing? Because I know you couldn't you a piece but people do prefer it to him that way, we all are entertained by Indiana Jones in the Amazon and finding the Crystal Skull. So there's there's a lot of folklore out there. That's why we entered the stage, the arena to try to get into this from a science point. You can blame the X-Files for loss of this world. That possibly too. But just remember what I said we we, we NASA, are trying to shift it from sensationalism to science, long line in the room, but I want to give a couple of chances to some people on the phone line. So I'm going to go to the phone for our first question. Their, please do introduce yourself and ask question. The phone. Can you hear me? I'll first question is, from Marcia done with the Associated. Press, your line is open if you want in Roswell. So I would like to ask mr. Sparkle, how much were you and your fellow panel members half-lit are bombarded by this sort of thing during the course of your study? And for NASA, are you not naming the directors? UAP research for this very reason so that they're not household and bombarded by The Fringe element. Thanks. No, I would. Divide, emails and Tweets in the two types right there somewhere people. honestly are curious about things they've seen, they've heard, you know, there's things that are hard to respond to, like, my uncle who's Dad's, or something strange, when you get a report that's not useful, but that's harmless on the other hand, one of the things that happened during the study, and this may be part of a bigger discussion of cultural behavior on social media where people behave badly, and I would say harassed some of our family members. And that I think it was very inappropriate behavior Behavior. One doesn't want to see. Sadly, I think it's part of a deeper problem. When people somehow feel on the web on me social media, they can be nasty and hostile, and we sadly, some of our panel members experience that Not only was some of the, the things that are panel members received during the course of this study, simple trolling as a result in the sanctity of the scientific process and the security and safety of our team. Extremely seriously. And yes, that's in part why we are not splashing. The name of our new director Outlet because science needs to be free. Science needs to undergo. A real and rigorous a rational process and you need the freedom of thought to be able to do that. Some of the threats and the harassment of being Beyond The Pale, quite frankly to have some important that science be free. Thank you so much. We will go to another question on the phone, please. Please go ahead and introduce yourself. The next question comes from Tom Clark with Sky News, London, your line is open. Do all that. Thank you very much for taking my question. I want to understand how much extra extra search budgets and his assets to those much more intangible things like Thank you for the question. So yes. So busy week we don't discuss it openly but so we are committed to supporting the whole of government. A study into UAP, all of our data are open. In fact, if you look at the stuff, if you look at the report, you'll see a very large to the back in the background material of supplemental material in that, because we literally released everything, cuz that's what we do at Nasa. We do have a key agency goals. We have obviously, all goals in the science Mission, directorate seems that we we follow him. One of those has the administration described is the such a life elsewhere and we do that and he described the research beautifully. I think he may be going for my job actually, but he described the research. So well that I'm what we need to find is a rocky planet around. A hospital. That isn't too violent and it is in just that right place. Has. I'm signatures of water and signatures of K to the building blocks of life and we continue to strive to do that. We do that with the James Webb Telescope will be doing that when we launched the Nancy Grace, Roman telescope even has a coronagraph around it to block out the light of the neighboring cells. And really, let us look at those those, those possible planets. And then beyond that, the next big telescope recommended by the astrophysics, the cable, as is, the habitable worlds. Observatory actually a mission design to look for hospitable and find like us 2.0 in another Stellar system on so that they really are in the Forefront of our goals. That NASA said, thanks so much for the question. I'm going to jump into something or research projects to fix it right and given that's where the interesting question, should we spend shouldn't have to spend time and budget pursuing them, much less likely Target of finding objects, Signs to look for the phenomena of the week that we study at Nasa if any of our data are useful, if any of our data are applicable than we absolutely will will be devoting that and tell him that overthrew a liaison to the right the whole government approached. We are not at this time intending to to design a mission to do this. That is not part of our kind of over at Nasa direction. We are looking at providing some research support. So if somebody wants to write a research proposal and send it in through the regular channels, we will be looking for ways to do that. And we also talked about supporting said of the citizen science and the broader, like repository of days. Do you want to add to that are free? Publicly accessible for the entire world to download and we pride ourselves on that fact. And it's this openness of data. And our approach is why we're all here today. To answer your specific question about the voting research, budgets to the potentially truly interesting ones. But I think it's David said you have to understand that in order to really understand and pinpoint the potentially interesting once we are in such a dataport, the moment that we need to turn it into a day to reach, one to do that. We employ NASA's assets, Many of the partners assets as well in that Quest Nassar to keep its nose out of this. Well, let me tell you now, she's not a place that's going to hide its head in the sand. Now. Is there? Interest in this phenomenon of the other agencies. In my previous life in the Senate. I was privy to talk to the Navy pilots and to see the video of what they encountered off the coast of California in 2004. That was in a classified setting then. But this is now and you have now seen that video and you have heard from those former Navy Pilots is that of a concern to the Department of Defense, of course it is. And therefore we're going to continue our search from a scientific point of view. It's going to be if those other agencies continued their search. We're going to be glad to join in with them, but our stuff is going to be open. Great. I'm going to take one more from the phone before we go back to the floor. I will we have a lot of questions. I'm going to hope. We can stick a sort of one per person and and see how many we can get through. So one more from the phone place, Our next question comes from Jeff house with space news, your line is open. Hi states. That NASA is still evaluating the independent study teams report and its recommendations and expect to see that So let me give you a quick preview about how this work. So we are the only very, very recently received the report and what you have seen today in our press release represent our initial actions in recognition of the urgency of this matter and yes, we will be following up as appropriate with additional actions but of course we need additional time. Do you typically ingest the recommendations and act on them in light of many other priorities but will be announcing more in the future. Great. Thank you, please back to the room and then to buy yourself to put a good morning. So I'm Cabral with BBC News, digital a lot about since shifted from sensationalism to science today, has NASA been in touch with the Mexican authorities about the representational, revelations early this week, to allegedly, non-human corpses. And one of any importance do you attach these discoveries? I think David had to when will you have an unusual things you want to make data public? I think of this is like NASA has won the most valuable samples from outer space. Lunar rocks, what we do? We make them available to any scientist and want to work on this. We don't know the nature of those samples that were shown in front of them. If I was the Mexican Government, I would wreck our vacuum accommodations the Mexican Government that's not our charge here. We're doing this for NASA. My recommendation was if you have something strange make samples available to the world scientific community and we'll see what's there. I'll just ask one of the main goals of what we're trying to do here today is to move conjecture and conspiracy to what science and Sanity. And you do that with data. The David says, that's the whole purpose of the study in this roadmap. Thank you. Thank you. Hi Brandi, Vincent from defense Coop. Thank you all for doing this. I actually have two lines of questions, if it's okay. First form is Fox. What's the timeline and immediate actions that NASA is pursuing specifically with arrow now that the report has been completed and What mechanisms are NASA and DOD, really using to share information and collaborate securely and do you see more coming and then separately for mr. Sparkle, I noticed in the final report, a lot of the images and media that were added were from DOD snapchats that we've previously seen from DOD data not much for my pee. If anything not from other agencies, can you speak to why that is and what all you use to be on. To inform your report? Dr.fox doctors burgula past you guys director of eBay. Search that that working across the whole of government. Are they working very closely with arrow? The other set of central point. I'm not sure what else you also. I'm sorry and information with the defense department. All mechanisms available to us as Dan eloquently said all of our data open and public. So actually I mean, we share, we share everything with everybody, so everybody can can access NASA data? Do you have like a specific repository, or Megan is a channel specifically with the arrow and. I'm happy to handle all of NASA's data is open and accessible to the public if DOD on a, on a specific instance, need to tap our expertise than their overseas, Sakura ways of doing that. And we've done that by appointing a liaison officer. And yes, we know how to talk to the Odeon in a classified space. But again most of what we do is unclassified and for good reason And the introductions reports that arrow is the lead agency in the Garment sower, FAA, reported events, go to Arrow. So that there's a central collection agency and that go to the Arrow site. They have a pretty complete list of things they've analyzed and are trying to make public the with arrow. And this is just something I think is worth repeating in the context of looking at images that come from military satellites. Intelligence Community is important to remember that things are images taken by military instruments are classified. Not because of what's in the image. But because of the nature of the measuring, And I think this is one of the unique things that NASA brings here is NASA is about openness and transparency NASA. When NASA makes measurements NASA. Has a crossover, does this program with making its data open and available? And of course it was, it's not making measurements of classified instruments. That's enables it to do. That's one of the things that NASA brings to this face is on, is that official the same as your new, you, a key head of research. I'll write one more the room before I go back to the phones for a couple. You said, at the beginning of the meeting that that Nazareth will be transparent while a month-and-a-half ago. Mr. David brush set under oath in Congress that the US government is in possession of you a piece and extraterrestrial life, how can you be sure at mass at that other parts of the US government is being transparent. I don't speak for other parts of the government, but I can tell you Nessa which I speak for is open and transparent with our date. Do you believe what Mr Price said or is he lying? You would want me to give a personal opinion of what he said what he said if I recall having seen this on the Nightly News was that he had a friend that knew where a warehouse was that had a UFO locked up in a warehouse. He also said he had another friend that said that he had parts of an alien. Whatever he said. Where's the evidence is my response. The Pentagon A long time ago, there was a TV show. Jack Friday and used to say just the facts, just the facts show me the other dance. Thank you, sir. All right, we will go to the phones again. I know people have lots of questions, but I'm going to try to keep us to just to one for each person. And so, next person on the phone, go ahead and introduce yourself. The next question comes from Genesis, Harry with ABC news, your line is open. Be very useful in helping in this investigation. How do you say that sis? Well, why limit Us in anything and interpretation of data? An AI is just coming on the scene to be explored in all areas. So why should we limit any technological tool in analyzing data that we have? I said, a, I was one of the things that we were going to employ. I mean, we use AI intelligence and machine learning throughout NASA science portfolio. It is an amazing tool for helping us to actually find often signature signature is that it would have buried in data and so a lot of all day too or just for the wiggly line plots, we got excited about wiggly line plots by the way, but sometimes you see The Wiggles and you missed a signal in the Sun by using artificial intelligence, we can often find signatures to one example, we we've had is to be able to find signatures of Super Storms, using very old data that, you know, please before I like routine, Scientifics satellite data and it is, it's amazing. And so just being able to use those techniques often can allow us to find things. She finds the needle as as David. So eloquently said, once you've actually really care, it also helps us to wheelie characterize the hay and so so you can start subtracting the hay I look for the that the the needles behind let me to take this moment to say crikey mystify a, i n n Out. When a scientist important. And if you wouldn't in high school, trying to do this, we have some data, you took your data, you drooled a graph with a line through it. You would date and two Dimensions, X and Y. Right now work with much of our data is in a much higher dimensional space and if you're working with something like check CPT it's in the a higher dimensional space of language. Tokens. If you want to get technical with 12,000 token to meet, Jackie PT, 3.5 foot symbol. And machine learning is a powerful tool for representing function space. That means we get to work with David in high dimensional space, ARS very powerful but it's no more powerful than the dating, get it. It's a way of, you know, we've got this is why it's very powerful say with NASA's weather and climate data. We've got incredible amount of data and it's dated at you want to do more with and just put a line on a graph. You want to extract all that information or more information on space, and I think we're just, just really discovering the power of that tool. Antoine the tools NASA. And I think a lot of people in a lot of different Industries are using to learn new things about high-dimensional data, but it always comes back to the data. You feed into your urine analysis, whether it's a line on a graph paper. Or high-dimensional space explored with machine learning. And if you don't got good data, you're not going to learn things. Hi dimensional does not mean High space dimensions. Do an interdimensional travel for talking about multiple parameters here. Okay, great. We are the time I want to get two more questions and we're going to one of the phone and one more in the room and and hopefully if we keep our question, shortener answers for it will get to to those two. For anybody who's here will have had a chance to ask, you are more than welcome to send an email and we will try to get you questions as they answer as quickly as possible. The one more on the phone, please. Yes, I next question comes from Peggy, Hogs or with Financial Times. Your line is open. About you staying here that you want to rope in class or speak specifically about the truth but can you give me more detail? How you will do that after we talked a lot about. The importance has come through, I'm going to use the word harmonizations because there's no kind of harmonization between the way that that would be the same for the use of commercial assets. You know, how does it, how does that use a commercial assets and crowdsourcing square with the sensor harmonization that you've talked about it and he's going to pay for all this? So we'll be a little bit of crowdsourcing much of what we have in mind is taking advantage of the fact that there are several billion of these floating around, right? And they take I'm holding up cell phone Record. Local magnetic field sound gravitational field. Is a wealth of data that a cell phone takes and you can Imagine designing apps that make the images of relatively a free. You can least make it hard to do and I think if we have a collection where interesting events or collected by citizens hosted and you have multiple images of the same event, we will be able to learn a lot. And, you know, one of the thing that says support is Citizens friends, and I think that the, the idea that if you see something, you don't understand collect data, we obligated a then we learn from it. Is. Important in this context. And just I think in some ways, an opportunity to engage the broader public and doing science, Great. Our last question, please from the floor you've described harassment of some of the panelists while that is horrible and never a good thing. It does sort of come with the nature of a public officials. You know. Miss Nelson Has a senator lawmakers, get that kind of thing. All the time is that the justification for keeping this new position, director of UAP research private. Do you plan on doing that forever is? Is that a temporary thing? Because it seems to cut against the dedication to being open and transparent. If this person forever is not going to be revealed are attended who they are. At the time. Yes, we we are withholding that name. Let's not forget that we've only just received this report. And what we need to do now is an agent. He is come together and provide a cohesive and coherent response to it. The addresses multiple findings and recommendations. Okay. We're only announced the initial actions today. Will that person's name? Be disclosed to answer your specific questions, potentially? Yes. But again, we need to ensure that the scientific method is free. That's my response and just report says that you relied on unclassified material. You've given a very understandable description for why the dod classifies certain images and videos. Why did you all not have access to classified material? And could you have done that? I have. So, just understand that. Let the committee speak for themselves to unclassified data is because we can speak openly about it and in so doing what a meeting again to alter the discourse from sensationalism to Sciences Administration, Nelson, beautifully set, NASA personnel as appropriate, know how to talk to. On a classified basis but the purpose of this study was to tell us what open data. We could use in combination with a power of sign to move our understanding Ford that was the purpose. And we speaking about it openly today, everybody for being here today, again, for those people who are not able to get questions, I do apologize for not doing in the room. However, please send an email based on our press release, you will have information. To access and we will try to get you the answers we can. And with that we're concluding today's press briefing and thank you very much for being here. 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