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They are at time.com/newsletters and are separate from a paid subscription. ## Video: The Techland Show, Episode 12 [Watch (HLS stream): The Techland Show, Episode 12](https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/63G5uS0B.m3u8) (5:24)  _Published 2010-02-19. Techland's Peter Ha and Lev Grossman discuss their demo with Xbox's Project Natal, how Windows Phone 7 may be a Microsoft Hit and what's wrong with the plot points leaked from Batman 3 so far._ --- Jul 27, 2023 1:20 PM UTC --- ## More From This Series [All Videos](https://time.com/video/) [Techland's Top Five: Tron, March Madness and More](/video/h8TyNIe6/) ### Techland's Top Five: Tron, March Madness and More [Techland Demos Xbox's Project Natal](/video/USIo7fqq/) ### Techland Demos Xbox's Project Natal [Techland's Hands-On With Apple's iPad](/video/TvBlsebY/) ### Techland's Hands-On With Apple's iPad --- ## Transcript >> Lev, I'm bleeding out. >> That means [ unk ] here. >> Is that-- oh, that's a bag air right there. >> Oh, mother air. What the hell happened? >> I don't know. >> Welcome to Techland air-- >> Welcome to Techland Show. I'm Lev Grossman. >> Episode. >> And this is Peter Ha. Episode what? XI in Roman numeral. >> I don't know what episode it is. It's 12, 11. >> Well-- >> We're once again playing Modern Warfare 2. >> We're playing Modern Warfare 2. At my request, we're playing Special Ops. First of all, playing in Project Natal, it turns out, involves sacrificing all of your dignity at once 'cause you have to like flail all of your limbs to play. >> Like you've never flailed before. >> And occasionally, I will forget that I couldn't flail both arms and legs at the same time without falling over. But it's quite enjoyable. You never played it before, right? >> Now, it was a-- yeah. You sorta have to just get over the fact that you're gonna look like a jerk. >> Yeah. And you have to get over the fact that, you know, this isn't for a hardcore gamer, like this isn't-- there's no like fine control twitch action. This is like a, you know, goof ball party game-- >> Right. >> kind. >> It's like the Wii. >> Yeah. It's like the Wii. >> Unfortunately, we didn't really learn anything new about Natal. >> Yeah. They weren't giving out any new information. >> We saw Susan Sarandon, though. >> Yeah. We did see Susan Sarandon. So, that was some new information. >> Right. >> Susan Sarandon is down with Project Natal, apparently. >> At least, she didn't beat us. 'Cause then, I would feel terrible around myself. >> Yeah. Although she was impressive in Bull Durham, you know. She's got-- she's got some athletic ability. >> It's like cute PG love. >> Windows Mobile? >> No, no. Oh, don't. No, no, no. Don't you dare call it Windows Mobile. >> All right. >> Windows Phone 7. It was interesting. And I think what Windows Phone 7 is doing, obviously, is radically different than what everyone else is doing. Everyone has been chasing the iPhone and you know, the interface is just such garbage because you're just presented with a bunch of icons for a bunch of different apps. You have to do one thing, then close it, then go to another thing. Whereas in Windows Phone 7, there are the-- they've created these hubs. So that people hub, for instance, is your address book. >> Yeah. >> But you could see all their status updates, what they've been doing lately via Twitter and Facebook, and all these different whatever social networking things. >> Yeah. >> And pictures, the picture hub basically compiles all your photos from your phone, from like I think maybe your Flicker account or something. >> Yeah. >> And then Facebook. So, rather than having to open Facebook to look at pictures there, you can just go to your picture hub. And so, aggregated in one place. >> Right. >> Yeah. Which is pretty impressive. >> So, there's Xbox left. >> Yeah, too. >> So, I can what? >> on your Windows Phone 7-- >> Keep track of other people's achievements while I'm walking around. >> Well, no. You can play Xbox- like games. >> On your phone? >> Yes. >> What can you play? >> I don't know. Whatever the Xbox Live games are. >> But do you think that's a problem if they have announced it like 7 to 8 months in advance? Because it won't come out until the holidays? >> Yeah. Well, it's you know, totally typical-- no one seems to learn from jobs that the best way possible to do it is to announce it and sell it the same day. >> Yeah. >> Microsoft will be able to ramp up expectations and then fail to meet those expectations over the next few months. But still, it sounds like they've actually innovated, which you don't see very often. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. >> Are you saying that Riddler will be the main character in the new Batman movie? >> Right. But how is that gonna work? Mr. Riddler-- I mean, what's his super power again? Like, what does he do? >> He can confuse you. I don't know. >> Actually, what is his-- he doesn't have like a power, does he? I [ unk ] say it has never been a good incarnation of-- of-- of Riddler. >> Right. So, basically, they're just saying, you know, the-- whoever this-- whoever could or would play the Riddler ends up finding out [ unk ] his true identity, and then, something happens with that. >> Right. >> But the more interesting thing, I thought, was a mention of Barbara Gordon being in the next movie. >> Yeah. Right. >> So-- >> Which is-- which is who? 'Cause again, I get-- >> Commissioner Gordon's daughter. >> Yeah. >> Except in the movie, she's like-- in the Dark Knight, she's like two. >> Right. >> And I don't know if you know this, but Barbara Gordon goes on to be the first Batgirl, and then, she becomes the Oracle she is crippled because I think the Joker shoot her. >> Oh. She's the one who's in a wheelchair. >> Yes. >> But I don't know how it's gonna happen because the Joker is dead. >> Right. And she's four years old. >> Right. >> But she'd just be inappropriate a little bit. >> Yeah. 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