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## Transcript

So right now we're about to go to the the next village where we'll meet the leadership of the Comandos de la Frontera. And we'll have the interviews. We're just talking to the troops who received us here in Narino, Colombia, right on the borderline with Ecuador. For more than 50 years, Colombia has been painfully associated with cocaine and cartels. Coca is a raw ingredient used to make cocaine, and more of it is grown here than ever before. Despite the US backed war on drugs, global consumption also grows year after year. Such demand makes coca an irresistibly lucrative crop in a region where there are few other opportunities.

En estas comunidades siempre hay violencia Ambivalent. The Colombian government has failed to offer viable alternatives, and now the US is threatening to cut off military aid and police cooperation if the trafficking continues. But one of the armed groups who patrol and profit from the system may, ironically, be key to leading a way out of it. Usted es un narcotraficantes esto. Esto es verdad. No. Es totalmente falso. We are in Putumayo, southern Colombia, in a place called Valle del Gomez. This is the territory of Los Comandos de la Frontera. And as soon as we left the main road, we saw cocoa plantations popping up on the left hand side and the right hand side.

And we're about 30 minutes from meeting them in a village here. Government officials believe there are 1200 armed members of the Comandos de la Frontera in Colombia. They control most of the border areas with Ecuador and Peru, which are central to key trafficking routes. It's the first time to be out in the field that open with a non-state armed group and going through the territory. I think we're about with maybe 20, 25 members of the Comando de la Frontera. Por qué miembro de Los comandos de la frontera? Bueno. De. La plata dificil obtener un otro trabajo. Cuantos anos tienes mentiras? Most of the members are are pretty young.

Many of them come from indigenous communities. We know most of them come from Putumayo. Just making small chat with a few of them. We understand that the reason that they joined the Comando de la Frontera definitely is money. They are one of the few non-state armed groups in Colombia that actually pay an income. This is why they call themselves, for example, a rebel group of the 21st century. Knowing that the former FARC, for example, never paid wages. These guys also get a weekend off, they get holidays and even Social Security. For nearly half a century, this area was controlled by the FARC as the rebel group waged war with the government.

After the 2016 peace agreement, the power vacuum formed, which led to a need, or at least an opportunity for the commandos to step in. I met with two top commanders. One who goes by the alias Jackal and the other is Commander Marine, the group's lead peace negotiator with the government. Commando. Numero uno. Dos tres cuatro Cinco seis siete. Buenas tardes. Es vamos a hacer una entrevista con el entonces ustedes. Armandito aqui y el otro. Podemos empezar un poco entender mejor quiénes son ustedes Los comandos de la frontera. SE dice son narcotraficantes esto. Esto es verdad. No. Es totalmente falso a.

Los otros no finances de la economia simplicitas. Qué hay en la region y la finance mas grande no resulta para nosotros es el impuesto a Los narcos o vienen a comprar la coca. Los campesinos de eso nos financieros, pero hay gente de la leche o habla mucha carreta y ya no se trata nosotros de narcotraficantes, pero no Los narcotraficantes estan por alla en en la ciudad, en Los pajaros en el Congreso bueno etcétera, etc. pero nosotros no somos un narcotraficantes, nosotros somos una organizacion insurgent con proyectos politicos, militares y organizations. What we see here in this territory is that there's coca everywhere.

Every 2 or 3 months, the coca growers can pick leaves again. So there is a few harvests a year. Campesinos, some campesinos y en su mayoria cultivation coca cultivos de coca. Porque eso es la economia. Qué hay aqui no hay otra economia el campesino pueda sobrevivir. The commandos formed in order to protect themselves. Many former party members were being hunted down and killed. They promised to bring order and security to coca growing communities were being robbed by rival gangs. Qué nos territorios al salir la mayoria? Entonces eso estaba volviendo Como un caos para uno. Ya llevaba en la gente pero ya ya ya.

Ya comenzaron Los otros comenzaron. Las violaciones comenzaron Los hechos. En Los companeros. Campesinos! Gracias a comando de fronteras. Tenemos esto lamentablemente no somos poder porque el poder de estar en Bogota. Pero entonces las comunidades mas de nosotros en el mismo estado. En Bogota. I sat down with Armando Novoa, who leads the Colombian government delegation in peace talks with the Comandos de la Frontera. Qué hace diferentes de un narcotraficante, Gaston? Mas en las comunidades ahi. ESO les de poder para suplir las necesidades de las comunidades esté bien pero lo hacen a su manera de manera dictatorial authoritarian no tienen principios democraticos.

Si esto es un estado donde tiene la predominancia economica. El Gobierno son Los comandos de la frontera. Nosotros controlamos nosotros controlamos mucha cosa si cosas. El estado con sus fuerzas militares y policiales no lo puede hacer nosotros si lo hacemos. Entonces si hay un ladron, ustedes encargan. Cuando nosotros un ladron analizamos bien de un cuentas fallas ha cometido y ahi miramos o lo estamos del aérea Los ancianos y en ultima instancia es la justicia. Es quiere decir la vida, si. In June of 2022, Two, Colombia elected its first left wing leader, Gustavo Petro. The history making candidate promised total peace for Colombia.

Substancialmente la violencia en Colombia en lo hemos llamado Como concepto la Paz. Total. Now, with less than a year left in his presidency, Petro is trying to protect both his legacy while under pressure by the Trump administration. The US is threatening to decertify Colombia as a partner in the war on drugs, which would lead to big cuts in aid. Nosotros estamos intentando un dialogo para encontrar una solucion un problema complejo. Qué evidentemente no ha creado solo la sociedad colombiana aqui hay una responsabilidad global. Cuando yo miro las calles de Manhattan en donde muchos ejecutivos use consuming fines de semana cocaina la pregunta es si ahi hay alguna responsabilidad con lo cual Los campesinos en el sur del pais.

Estados Unidos es y ha sido un aliado fundamental de Colombia en materia de lucha contra el narcotrafico nosotros Como Gobierno quisiéramos haciendo AC. Gloria Miranda heads Colombia's national program to replace illicit crops with legal food crops. I spoke to her about the possibility of decertification. Nosotros estamos avanzando muy rapido para poder mostrar resultados a nivel Nacional e Internacional porque si puedo asegurar en este cargo. Es la mayoria de Los campesinos. Qué tienen quieren visitar a otra economia? La gente nos esta diciendo no queremos mas Los cultivos de porque nos Han violencia y muerte.

The last time the US government did certified Columbia was in 1996 as the government pushed to regain Washington's support. It set the stage for campaigns rife with human rights abuses and military intervention that displaced thousands of farmers. In population affected politics. For a dar a las estructuras militares de las FARC, creo hacemos lo mismo llegamos al mismo punto de fracaso. Digamos en Putumayo Narino nosotros vamos con muy buenos. Ojos del programa de substitution precisamente porque no hay una opposition del actor armado, porque el actor armado tiene disposicion para el programa, avance pues es la transition VA a ser mucho mas facil.

The land that is so fertile for growing coca could easily be used to grow alternative crops like cacao and coffee. But the problem is not the land, rather the lack of investment in infrastructure like roads and rural development is easier to move than bulky food crops. The commandos took us to a lab where we see how little is needed to convert the crop into coca paste, which is later turned into powder, and then transported on dirt roads, rivers and across borders. UN acuerdo. Qué carretera? Qué? Porque es el lenguaje. Usted quiere. Cuales son las tres carreteras hacen falta aqui. Acabamos de cruzar cuantos anos.

Dos tres anos. Dos tres anos. Es decir si no fuera por Los comandos de la frontera. Todos estos pueblos carreteras y cultivos no estuvieron aqui no estuviera. For their part, the commandos say the government has done little to help farmers make a transition. Con el uso nuestro y el esfuerzo Los mismos campesinos. Abrir esas carreteras placas huellas etcétera etcétera. Novoa told us that a few roads that do exist in Putumayo were built by a brutal commando run system. Narino y he visto ese drama en algunos puntos. Lo hacen es con las manos y eso lo hacen con un sistema de ellos Han implementado y ellos justificar eso porque es qué es un trabajo en beneficio.

Las comunidades la accion y la presencia. Estos grupos violacion en algunos casos masiva de derechos humanos a las comunidades. Qué habitan en esos territorios especialmente a comunidades indigenas in Colombia? Lideres sociales y la pregunta es Los comandos de la frontera también un asesinato civiles criticos sobre la organizacion Armada. Hemos asesinado lideres mientras un lider no tenga politico a ninguna organizacion armada por nosotros es un lider. Pero si es lider tiene politico y afinidad hacia una alguna organizacion. Nosotros dejar de ser un lider. In a rare turn, the commandos de la Frontera in Putumayo are now among the few armed groups willing to discuss coca crop substitution.

Nosotros queremos la transformacion de Los territorios. ESO quiere decir nosotros queremos qué esto se acaba por qué es esto. Es la violencia. Nosotros sabemos de esto la violencia. Esto es el combustible. Esto es el combustible para la organizaciones armadas in Los territorios en esto. Farmers are skeptical, but also ready for change. No es bueno por qué. Porque con ese motivo es nosotros miramos un futuro Como para nuestra familia. Hoy en dia. No queremos decirle de pronto el Gobierno. No sé si algo mas cibaeno Fernando en el proceso de Paz de hacer muchos anos atras. The government says it's committed to paying for crop substitution.

Si tenemos Los fondos disponibles Hoy tenemos Los fondos disponibles para las hectares. Qué nos comprometidos? ESO esta garantiza y no solo Los recursos de la Constitucion de un cultivo por otro. Sino esto se tiene qué ver complemento con una politica de transformacion territorial para si exitoso. Un cinco anos. Donde se van a ustedes quieren estar en cinco anos? Si un proceso de Paz y el gobierno del Estado. Yo me miro en en una reaccion de esta con una vaquita proyecto legal con la familia y tranquilo si el gobierno. De nadie nos VA a venir, a monster y el producto no VA a comenzar a cultivar.

Tenga salida. La compra y con eso nos tenga. But time is running out for the Petro administration, and candidates in the 2026 elections are already campaigning on the idea of military intervention instead of total peace. Nosotros estamos buscando acelerar resultados porque nuestro periodo de Gobierno esta por terminar y uno de Los legados del presidente. Petro VA a ser la Constitucion de cultivos. Sabe qué es lo mas miedo me da. Yo creo qué es mas facil. Llegar con ellos a un acuerdo con el estado les cumpla. Es un gobierno. Les declared la guerra a Los comandos de la frontera estan preparados.

Pues es nuestras habilidades. Qué hemos aprendido. Asi Como nos estamos preparando para la Paz. También no estamos preparando para la guerra. Porque la guerra es la continuacion de la politica por otros medios.

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