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They are at time.com/newsletters and are separate from a paid subscription. ## Video: Know Your Lesser Knowns [Watch (HLS stream): Know Your Lesser Knowns](https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/1oLml2ej.m3u8) (8:55)  _Published 2008-01-17. TIME's Senior Editor Nathan Thornburgh caught up with some of the many candidates you might have missed in New Hampshire._ --- Jul 25, 2023 4:18 PM UTC --- ## More From This Series [All Videos](https://time.com/video/) [Watch: TIME's New Editor Nancy Gibbs Talks About the Future](/video/71e79860/) ### Watch: TIME's New Editor Nancy Gibbs Talks About the Future [Meet Some Lesser-Known New Hampshire Candidates](/video/fpp2J02N/) ### Meet Some Lesser-Known New Hampshire Candidates [Fringe Presidential Candidates](/video/0L0jjGoR/) ### Fringe Presidential Candidates --- ## Transcript >> Hi, I'm Nathan Thornburgh, senior editor of TIME. Four years ago, photographer Shane Carpenter and I went to New Hampshire to cover the 2004 primary campaign. We kept running into what they call lesser candidates though. They were on the New Hampshire ballot just like George Bush or John Kerry, but there were a lot more fun to cover. There was Dick Bosa, the aggrieved former mayor of Berlin, New Hampshire. And another candidate named John Buchanan who was this manic campaigner with a number of restraining orders against him. They also acted as each other's campaign managers. Well, Robert Haines who brought his kids and sometimes he's gone to campaign events. Fern Penna was painfully shy for someone who was running for the highest office in the land. Bill Wyatt's main strength was that he ran a T- shirt shop in Los Feliz in L. A. and made some really cool campaign paraphernalia. Anyhow, we chased these guys up and down that frozen state. Michael Callis, the fiddler. Robert Linnell whose wife wouldn't even vote for him. Donald Rigazio who liked to hand out $ 100 bills with his pamphlets. Spending time with those guys taught me a lot more about participatory democracy I think than hanging on the periphery of any of those sleekly produced major campaigns would have. This year, we went back. Most of the guys from 2004 have moved on, but there's a fresh batch of lesser known candidates. 13 Democrats and 12 Republicans you've never heard of, for the most part, fighting like hell to get people to take their campaigns seriously as they do. >> My name is Richard Caligiuri. I'm 53 years old from Wilkinsburg, Pennsylvania. I'm up here in New Hampshire obviously because I'm running for president in the United States. I'm Richard " Mad Dog" Caliguiri from Pittsburg running for president in the United States. >> You got my vote. >> All right. That's one-- That's one I was looking for. >> So what would drive a guy like Caliguiri who campaigns under the name of " Mad Dog" to spend so much time chasing this pretty impossible dream? Most of these guys are really animated by a single issue, something they think the rest of the country has forgotten about. For Dr. Hugh Cort, a psychiatrist from Alabama that issue is terror. >> The question is this: Is my message a little bit dark? Well, I think that people of America wanna be warned if Osama Bin Laden is gonna attack them and I'm the only candidate that can stop this and we were praying with the God's help that we can stop this thing. We have evidence that Osama Bin Laden is planning devastating attacks in America. His American erosion were planned to blow up ten cities with nuclear devices. >> Two southern candidates I've met seemed like they came straight from central casting, meticulously groomed, well- informed always on message. I caught up with Dan Gilbert while he was getting a $ 400- haircut ala John Edwards at the Hair Biz salon in Concord with the proceeds going to the autism society. >> The reason I'm running for president is that about a year ago I realized that the Republican Party and also all the politicians in Washington DC were not going to do what's best for our country. >> Cap Fendig had an equally intense focus on winning. >> Well, my name is Cap Fendig. I'm from Saint Simons Island, Georgia who been campaigning every day since September the 6th. I was one who made the formal announcement. I sold my business, everything I had except for my home and put full force 100 percent into the effort of campaign. Our children will get mad if they knew how much money we spent, but now we wouldn't think their inheritance, but it is quite a bit of money. It's a lot more than an expensive college education, I'll say that. It cost a thousand dollars to get on the ballot and for some of these guys that's a lot of money. For Michael Skok, a candidate from near Buffalo, New York that makes him wonder if it was worth it. >> My folks are all against it running for president because it's expensive and so they were-- My mother was real mad at me 'cause I spent $ 1000 on the fee and she was calling me all kinds of some real bad names and nobody-- nobody had like gave me any support. I was asking up will you help me out. No. No. They won't help me out. When I came here, I thought it was maybe I did make a mistake and I should have stayed home. >> You know how lots of kids wanna be president when they grow up? Well, the people I met are already grown up. They're limo drivers, doctors, retired municipal workers, but they think they can still be president. >> Well, when I began running for president in the United States, it was two and a half years ago. It was a mission placed in my heart and I decided to follow it. >> I'm aged 64. I've got time and energy to put into this. I'm close to retirement. I think it would be great to retire from if I become president in the United States. They actually get worries thinking that I could win this presidency. >> Well, I would shut down the Federal Reserve. I would shut down the IRS and I would withdraw from the United Nations for starters. >> The fact of the matter is that I'm gonna experience [ unk ]. I know what's going in the world and I know how to deal with these global issues and I know how to go to Amajenadad and say [ Foreign Language ]. Come in hand and sit. And I could go to Omar in Israel and say [ Foreign Language ]. I can go to Brazil and say [ Foreign Language ]. I know these people. I know their children. I know their culture and si habla español muy bien. I have the support from the Hispanic community in the United States of America because I'm just a gringo from Boston, Massachusetts from where my grand family is. >> Here's what we need today. Just like the kings of Israel, we'll prepare for a battle by getting their whole nation right with God, then they're going to battle and they would get victory. We need to get our nation right with God. We need to stop abortions, stop homosexual marriage, get right with God, then we ask God's blessing and then we go and get victory over the Osama terrorist [ unk ] because now I have God's favor and blessing. >> The patron saint of all these lesser known candidates is Bill Gardner, New Hampshire Secretary of State for the last three decades. >> It's important that just be an open process, not exclusive, not having the Secretary of State just pick what big shots have the right to run and excluding other people to keep it open and not have that decision made by anyone here, but by those who are willing to put their thoughts and ideas in front of the voters here and the rigors of the campaign. If someone wants to do that and try, we wanna make it possible. >> Gardner continued that tradition is here of hosting a lesser known candidates' debate in Manchester. So, the final question: What happen in the Election Day? Well, Tuesday was a rough night for these candidates. Mad Dog Caliguiri had the best results. His 254 votes were more than even Senator Chris Dodd, though Dodd in fairness had already dropped out. But it's not bad for a guy who said he just wanted to find one New Hampshire voter crazy enough to vote for the Mad Dog. A lot more typical were the 11 votes for the woman who used to run as the hump lady, Caroline Killeen. Michael Skok for his thousand dollars got 32 votes. And among the Republicans, the candidates who probably invested the most time and money, Cap Fendig and Dan Gilbert all got fewer votes than a guy named Vermin Supreme. -[ unk ] >> And among the Republicans, the candidates who probably invested the most time and money, Cap Fendig, Mark Klein and Dan Gilbert all got fewer votes than a guy named Vermin Supreme. Albert Howard came in 13th on the GOP ticket, but has raised over $ 50, 000 for a recount because he thinks he actually came in 5th. So that's pretty depressing, right? Well, maybe not. They have may have underestimated how hard it would be to break out of the pack or get people to take them seriously, but I love the fact that they were out there trying, talking about their ideas, being such extreme believers in the fairness and openness of our political system. >> This is an American dream. Really what it's all about an American dream and if you want it, you know, this is the place to start. >> For TIME. com, this is Nathan Thornburgh. >> Is there-- Okay, we rollin'? >> Yeah. >> New Hampshire! You've got it baby. >> And I'd like to say to the American people, " Thank you all. God bless you. God bless America and America bless God ." >> Don't make it look perfect like Mitt Romney. 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