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At a time when the federal government has flagged words like “women” and “health equity” in its crackdown on diversity, equity, and inclusion, health industry leaders say that they’re just trying to continue to do the work that patients need them to do. “I say that we’ve always kept our eye on the prize for science,” Kalahn Taylor-Clark, head of social impact and sustainability at the biopharmaceutical company Merck, said at the TIME100 Health Leadership Forum, which Merck sponsored, in New York City on Sept. 9. “When we focus on science, we cannot go wrong. We have a lot of programs in our research portfolio that are still focusing on the most vulnerable communities.”_ by [Chantelle Lee](https://time.com/author/chantelle-lee/) and [Charlotte Hu](https://time.com/author/charlotte-hu/)  Alex Aronson Health experts, advocates, and industry leaders gathered for an evening of conversation at the second annual TIME100 Health Leadership Forum in New York City on Sept. 9. The evening featured three panel discussions, delving into the need to support and protect health care professionals’ mental health, reimagining how innovation and a new approach to primary care could help people live longer at lower costs, and bridging gaps in women’s health. Three experts joined TIME deputy editor Kelly Conniff on stage for the first panel to discuss burnout among health care workers: Todd Maron, chief legal and impact officer of FIGS, which sponsored the event; Farida Labaran, a registered nurse and mental health advocate; and Corey Feist, co-founder and chief executive officer of the Dr. Lorna Breen Heroes’ Foundation. The panelists cited multiple causes for provider burnout, including the overwhelming administrative burden placed on health care workers and workplace violence. “It’s really so many branches, but for us here, we’re tackling a few at a time,” Labaran said. “All of these are part of this tree, and it goes deep and it goes wide.” The panelists stressed the importance of people coming together to better support health care workers, such as the need for Congress to reauthorize a landmark law that expired last year: the Dr. Lorna Breen Health Care Provider Protection Act, which included several measures meant to improve health workers’ mental health and well-being. **Read More:** [_‘Protecting the People That Protect the Rest of Us’: Experts Discuss Solutions for a Stronger Health Workforce_](https://time.com/collections/time100-leadership-forums-2025/7314676/health-protecting-providers/) The second panel, moderated by TIME senior health correspondent Alice Park, focused on the skyrocketing costs associated with the transformative but complex care required for people to live longer with illness or even be cured altogether. It featured actor Selma Blair, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 2018, in dialogue with Blood Cancer United CEO Dr. E. Anders Kolb and Amazon One Medical CMO Andrew Diamond. Amazon One Medical and Blood Cancer United are also sponsors of the TIME100 Health Leadership Forum. Panelists discussed frustrations with seeking and accessing treatments as well as the financial burdens that can come with care for chronic conditions. “In the beginning, my entire life was searching for a cure of what ailed me,” Blair said. “Doctors didn’t take me seriously as a young girl. I couldn’t get a diagnosis for so many years, because there’s so many variables.” But the panelists also offered solutions, like bolstering primary care networks to deburden specialists and offer patients more direct care, educating providers on how to identify malignant symptoms earlier, especially for at-risk populations, and encouraging patients toward more preventative interventions to reduce personal and system burdens. **Read More:** [_How Innovations in Health Tech and Reimagining Primary Care Can Help People Live Well, Longer_](https://time.com/collections/time100-leadership-forums-2025/7314680/reimagining-health-care-living-longer/) The event concluded with a panel on women’s health, moderated by TIME senior correspondent Charlotte Alter. Alter was joined on stage by Kalahn Taylor-Clark, head of social impact and sustainability at the biopharmaceutical company Merck, which also sponsored the event; Dr. Shelley Hwang, professor of surgery at Duke Cancer Institute who was on the [TIME100 Health 2025 list](https://time.com/collections/time100-health-2025/7279630/shelley-hwang/); and Dr. Jennifer Ashton, an ob-gyn, obesity medicine physician, and founder of the women-focused wellness company [Ajenda](https://www.instagram.com/p/C4p6Id8L28J/?hl=en). The experts discussed recent policy changes affecting women’s health access and research, including the Trump Administration’s crackdown on diversity, equity, and inclusion and rollbacks to the Affordable Care Act, as well as federally promoted vaccine skepticism. They also talked about the rise in medical and science misinformation. When Alter asked Hwang how she approaches patients who visit her and cite information from the internet, Hwang replied that health care providers in those situations should be able to combine humility along with their training and experience. “I don’t think that I would ever recommend that the patients go to Dr. Google instead of coming to a licensed physician, but I think we have to have a fair amount of humility about what people don’t know and what patients are interested in hearing about,” Hwang said. “I think that’s really the best way to meet patients halfway.” **Read More:** [_Why Everyone Should Care About Women’s Health_](https://time.com/collections/time100-leadership-forums-2025/) _The TIME100 Health Leadership Forum was presented by Merck, Amazon One Medical, Blood Cancer United (formerly The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society), FIGS, and NMDP._ The Biggest Moments From the TIME100 Health Leadership Forum ## Transcript Um, I'm so excited about this panel about bridging gaps in women's health, which, uh, particularly in this environment. Much of the traditional support from the federal government to close some of these gaps is being dismantled. Um, and so there are huge, huge gaps in the space everywhere from R&D to treatment to how we communicate about these incredibly important issues. Um, I want to start with you. Historically, there have been gaps in research, funding and development and for diagnosis and treatment across women's health as the private sector has given a larger role in funding R&D. Given everything that's going on, how is Merck working to close these gaps? You started with the easiest question. Yeah. Uh, well, thank you, Charlotte, for that. And because I'm in DC, I'll change the question a little bit, which is to say that Merck is really at the is really interested in advancing health through a number of ways. We think about women's health holistically. So everywhere from R&D, as we said, we have a women's cancer portfolio. Um, but to the work that I get to do in social impact and sustainability, one of the examples I would give is mammo test. So part of my portfolio is investing in impact ventures. Mammo test is a digitally focused AI company. They are focused on diagnosing breast cancer just in the very short time that this company has been around. They have now diagnosed 750,000 women with breast cancer. Yes, they've they've also touched over 4000 health care workers. So that's just one example of the kinds of innovation that we're able to invest in. But I would be remiss to say that, you know, we go externally a lot with these conversations. And I think it's important when you think about companies like ours or any, to be thinking about what we do for employees. And so one of the things also that we do when we think about women's health is a screening time off, for example, which allows our employees to get preventive health screenings. This is something that we support globally, and it's really our way of thinking holistically about overcoming some of the barriers that women face in getting timely access to care. Wow. Yeah. Um, I want to, you know, the again, because we're in this very particular moment where a lot of funding sources are being, uh, are being disrupted, uh, particularly around closing some of these gaps. I mean, you see some of the messaging coming from this administration talking about pulling back on anything having to do with diversity, equity and inclusion, anything having to do with specifically women's health in some cases when it comes to funding. Um, is the approach to communicating Merck's work around its R&D changing. I mean, what, if anything, is the company doing differently in this environment? I say that we've always kept our eye on the prize for science. When we focus on science, we cannot go wrong. And so we have a lot of programs in our research portfolio that are still focusing on the most vulnerable communities. One of the programs, I would argue is one of the best that I've seen is Go Further program, which is an independent study that we have funded to look at HIV and HPV in women in Africa. This is incredibly important because it turns out if, you know, HPV causes cervical cancer. And so a woman who has HIV who therefore is vulnerable has immunology issues, may get cervical cancer even faster and more significantly. So the research that we're really thinking about is intersecting is an intersection of women's health, not just condition by condition and silos, but really thinking holistically about her experience. And that's just on our research portfolio. As I mentioned in our social impact space, it's even more important to us to be thinking holistically beyond the pill, providing opportunities to strengthen health systems and provide access to care that women otherwise would not get. So, frankly, I see this as an opportunity, as this happens to be a time of opportunity for us to lean into the partners that we've always had, but to also be a partner to those folks who may have had their resources pulled. This is why we we continue to do that work. Yeah. Doctor Huang, um, we're also seeing issues of access to coverage for women rolled back because of the Medicaid cuts and the rollbacks of the Affordable Health Care Act, the Affordable Care Act, as a provider. How are you feeling in this moment? How do you how can you help your patients access care when so much of the government funding is being stripped away. Yeah. Well, first of all, thank you so much for inviting me to be on this panel. And I think one of the really exciting things about this panel is that you have representation from so many different sectors of healthcare. We are really being hit particularly hard, and I think those patients who can least afford to have healthcare are the ones who are having their health care taken away. And I think it's a moral imperative that all of us are aware of this and do what we can to support them. I think what we've had to do at our institution, and I think lots of other hospitals as well, is rely on philanthropy and rely on community resources that are outside of the usual insurance carriers. And I think this is really a time for insurance carriers to step up to is federal funding is diminished. But really to understand that this is kind of a moral crisis that we're going through. And, um, we at our institution are actually making a bigger effort to try to do pro bono activities for patients and really plug into our community resources that are able to fund patient care outside of the usual federal funding. Doctor Ashton, I want to go to you. Um, there is so much questionable health information out there right now, particularly around women's health. I just read a story the other day about, uh, sort of people stopping taking their hormonal birth control because of TikTok trends that they're seeing. Um, at the same time, uh, on the federal level, Secretary Kennedy is pushing unproven science around vaccines and wellness. How can medical professionals combat this? Do doctors have to be influencers now? Well, first of all, and I echo Shelley's thanks to time. And it's such an honor and a pleasure to be in this room and on this panel with such incredible women. And, um, I think in some ways doctors and health professionals have always been influencers, right? Except that wasn't a four letter word until recently. Um, I think, you know, hopefully we've always had an influence on the lay public in terms of helping to guide their their health and wellness and also helping them navigate the health care system when they're not well. Now, it I mean, I if I had a dollar for how many times on good Morning America, I said, uh, doctor Google did not go to medical school. So and they're not going to operate on you in the middle of the night. They're not going to answer the phone if you call in the middle of the night. However, I think that the precarious times with the mistrust and distrust about science and medicine has to be tempered with what, again, is an opportunity. I think we're all glass is half full type of of people. And I think the opportunity is that because a lot of people, so many people have a screen and they can do their own research. You're never going to hear me say that. That's a bad thing. When it becomes a bad thing is when there's no one to interpret that research or give context or perspective to that research. And that's when, uh, one of my favorite sayings is sometimes the messenger is as important as the message. And so, yeah, I think there is a crisis in terms of how we get our medical information. I think it's more important now than ever to make sure that it's, um, being obtained from a credible and credentialed source. And not everyone with a few million followers is Credentialed, as we all know. And I think there's it's never a bad time to reiterate that to everyone. You know, you have to ask the right questions. And I always, always will think that it's better to teach someone how to think like a doctor than teach them a fact that we may learn tomorrow is has evolved or is not true, or we learn more. And so it's really how to teach people how to interpret the information that is so readily accessible. And how to say, is this from a credible source? Is this methodology sound? How many people you know? And and when we have people, um, like we do right now, just making statements with a huge platform that not only haven't been proven in rigorous, high quality medical science, but we know the opposite. I think that literally puts everyone's health at risk. So I think it's an important time. And I'd like to build on what you're saying, because I think the responsibility is also on the health care providers, where a lot of times we were talking about this together. We don't do such a great job. We are not as great at communicating our thoughts as, you know, a lot of these influencers. So I think the burden is actually on us to do a better job communicating our message. And when we have exciting new research findings, we need to communicate that in a way that people can understand. It needs to be something that's more accessible and that people can understand what, what impact it has on their own lives. Um, so I think this is something that really needs to be taught in medical schools. As we were talking about, we're not doing a good job. We definitely need to teach each other how to do that better. And just on that point, just to build a little bit. Yeah. On the communication point. You know, one of the things we've been really thinking about is taking a local for local approach. I think it's really important as we think about developing new opportunities for better health, for better health care, for accessing information, that we're doing that from the community's perspective with the community, that the community is actually able to then transmit that information to other community members who are trusted. And it's very important that we do that. One of the programs that we have with Merck for mothers, and we have our head of Merck for mothers here, Jackie. Um, one of the one of the programs we have is actually in new Jersey, just over the bridge there in Camden. And what the health care workers found is that a lot of women were coming in, getting pregnancy diagnoses, getting diagnoses, but having no follow up. And so what we were able to actually do is invest in community led solutions that would give women information so that they would get the appropriate follow up. But that was really getting out there and doing, you know, going into the communities and actually doing follow up with them. And those are the kinds of things that I think will be really important as we round out information for various communities, especially. And that's where I hammer in the most vulnerable. So this I'm actually really glad that you brought this up, because this is literally my next question, particularly about maternal health care. Uh, can you tell me more about what you've learned from patients about how to rethink maternal health care in a way that isn't so divided between prenatal postpartum infant care? Um, it seems like Merck is pioneering some pretty interesting holistic approaches. They have. Yeah. You know, and it's interesting because I inherited a lot of this. I'm very new to Merck and I love the team and I love my job, you can tell. Um, but I inherited Merck for mothers, which is a $650 million program that started in 2011. We've touched more than 35 million women. With the work that they've done, they've trained over almost 1000 health care providers. But what I think is interesting is that maternal health should not be done in a silo. What? Going all over the world now and really seeing all of our sites. What we note is that maternal health is the entry point to really understanding how to strengthen an entire health system. So we really see it as an opportunity to think holistically about how to care for women. And it's often through the maternal health lens or even through maternal health care that we're able to do that. Um, you know, we have we think about cardiovascular care. For example, cardiovascular care happens to be the leading driver of maternal morbidity and mortality in the United States. So we work with the American Heart Association, and we've developed programs that will now set up screenings, cardiovascular screenings in maternal health protocols. These are the kinds of things that we're able to do when we think more holistically About maternal health, not just giving birth, and not just post-birth, but through the the life cycle of a woman. And I think especially at Merck, given that we're able to serve women across the continuum, whether it's in prevention of HPV and therefore cervical cancer, or whether it's in our maternal health portfolio and program and helping communities strengthen systems, or whether it happens to be in the treatment of cancers, of women's cancers, which, of course, we have a portfolio for, I think, all the way across. We're really seeing it in a holistic manner, and I don't think of it as women's health. I think of it as the health of women. I think of it as not just talking about women as reproductive bodies, but understanding that maternal health care is a fourth vital sign for our society. And it's incredibly important that we understand that if we are not taking care of mothers, if we're not taking care of women, we're not taking care of our families and our communities. And that's where we start and that's where we end. And so I'm really proud actually, of the work that we've done. So can you just explain a little bit what is what do you mean by fourth vital sign. So there are many vital signs in, you know, in communities and understanding what is health care. Um, you know, whether it's cost, whether it's affordability, whether it's access to the system. Right. Transportation and the like. But really understanding the strength of a maternal health system and women's health in any society, in my mind, is really speaking to then what that society cares about. Um, and so we really see it at Merck as a fourth vital sign. I'll tell you, it's interesting because I was told when they started Merck for mothers in 2011 as a global program, no private sector companies were really entering this space at all. It was a really big conundrum. We knew maternal health and maternal morbidity was a problem. But the question was, how do you do something about it? And Merck really stood up and said, we're going to develop a public private partnership. We're going to work with people across sectors, not just in the pharmaceutical industry, not just in healthcare, but across different sectors, to come up with plans and ideas on how to change the trajectory for women. And so it's been a really incredible opportunity for us, I think, to be thinking much more holistically than just, again, pregnancy. Yeah, yeah. Um, Doctor Wong, I want to go back to you because we were talking a little bit earlier about communication. And, uh, I'm curious how you handle it when somebody, when a patient comes in and they have some ideas of a diagnosis or a treatment plan that they got from ChatGPT or TikTok. Uh, how do you approach that conversation when you're coming in with all of your medical training and you're having to convince a patient that their ideas that they got from the internet are wrong? Or maybe they're not wrong. I think what my training has taught me, and what my experience is in medical care has taught me, is just an intense humility for what I don't know. So when I go into a room with a patient and they tell me what they think they've learned from the internet, there are times when I learn too, because they've done an extensive research into this. Mostly because they're living it. They're going through it. It could not possibly be more intense for them. And a lot of times they have studies that I didn't know about or questions that I haven't thought to ask before. So I think that's really the approach that many of us have, is that we have a lot to learn, too, but we also have the experience of what comes from what we learned in medical school, what we've learned from on the job training, what we learned from conferences, and the best guidelines that are out there. So I think the best provider is able to combine both of those things. I mean, I, I don't think that, um, I would ever recommend that patients go to Doctor Google instead of coming to a licensed physician, but I think we have to have a fair amount of humility about what we don't know and what patients are interested in hearing about. I think that's really the best way to meet patients halfway. And you didn't ask this question specifically, but to follow up on what was said before about pregnancy. There are incredible strides being made, um, for women with cancer who are able to get pregnant after their cancer treatment. So I think that's an incredibly positive message that I think everyone should know. There are incredible strides that are being made to maintain fertility and the ability to get pregnant after cancer treatment. And I also, yeah, it's really exciting. But I also want to say, on the flip side, um, when women are getting diagnosed, potentially with very life threatening malignancies. I think it's really important to also keep in mind that it's that women should have a choice about whether to have pregnancies or not, and I can think of many instances where I've had patients who found out they were pregnant and had breast cancer in the same week. Um, and so, uh, if you if you don't think you, you know what that stress feels like, it is painful. It's intense. And we need to be able to take care of those women and, and allow them to make the choices that are right for them. So I'm really glad that you brought that up. Doctor Wong. Um, you know, especially you practice in the South. Um, what have you seen over the course of the last few years, since, uh, millions of American women lost the right to an abortion? How has that changed the landscape of women's health? Well, clearly, it's changed choice for women. Um, but I think the other really important part of what I've seen is that there are physicians who don't want to practice in parts of the country where they can't do their best work. So I think women are doubly affected because not only do they not get the access to care that they need, but they also don't get the providers who could potentially provide that access. And I think we've all heard stories about women traveling, you know, driving hundreds of miles to get the care that they they need and then finding that it's too late. Um, I think that's another one of these crises that we've experienced recently that we actually have within our power to do something about and to, um, you know, change, um, what our country is doing and how we feel about this. So I think, um, you know, in my practice, uh, women don't have a lot of the choices that they should be having. I still think that they need to have the care. Um, and they should not have to be driving hundreds of miles to get it. And I think also, what did not make it into this media coverage is that Obgyns are the primary care doctor for women. Yeah. There. You know, again, that was not in the headlines. So, you know, when women have chest pain, they call their gynecologist. They don't call it. They don't go leapfrogging right to the cardiologist when they have a skin problem. They call their gynecologist. So right now, you know, I've heard numbers as high as 50% reduction in the ob gyn residencies in red states where medical students are not even applying to those programs. And then when they finish training, there are obviously a lot of doctors who will not stay in a state where they could be put in jail. So it has to be realized that this is a ripple effect that goes way beyond just reproductive health. As if that weren't bad enough. I mean, these are the only medical professionals that the majority of women see over the course of their lifetime who screened for depression and heart disease and various types of cancers and write the mammogram prescription slips. And those doctors are not going to be in those states. And then to complete the circle and connect all the dots, if they travel into other states where there are clinics and Planned Parenthood's. And I'm sure this is a very well-informed audience, only about 2% of the clinical services that Planned Parenthood performs has to do with pregnancy and abortion. Planned Parenthood sees men, Planned Parenthood provides care for diabetes. So if everyone is flooding into the blue state, Planned Parenthood, because they can't get that care in red states, it is going to affect everyone for every type of thing, not just pregnancy. So doctor Ashton, I am so glad you brought that up. That's such an important point. Um, I want to ask you also about sort of the other side of the of the reproductive lifespan, which is menopause. Um. Having a moment. Having a big moment. Uh, what do you what do you wish more people understood about menopause? And how do you see society sort of changing their conception of menopause? Well, the first thing that I think is not getting anywhere near enough attention is the first three letters of the word, which is men. Men, I think, have been petrified into being silent in this discussion. They cannot be. They are not only necessary and needed, but they are welcome and they deserve to be involved in this conversation. So if you have a Y chromosome and you are sitting in the room, please, we need your help. Number one. Number two, I think that it's great that everyone with ovaries, regardless of how old they are now, talking about their first hot flash and everyone's giving it attention. It's way overdue. But I think that the narrative is critically important, and I think it can't be a narrative of blame or shame or no one told me, woe is me. Women are always the victim. That does not help. We are behind in terms of our funding and research and attention for all women's health issues. It really is, in my medical opinion, a national embarrassment. But looking back in the rear view mirror is not going to help. We have way too many things we have to address. And so I think when you talk about menopause, you know, it's literally the back nine. It could be the beginning of the second half of a woman's life. Easily. Now women can live to 100. So, you know, I think that part of the reason it's getting so much attention now is that the world truly globally and the $26 billion menopause economy that is being fed now has woken up to the fact that oh my gosh women in their 50s are in the C-suite. They are you know, running governments. They're at the top of their entertainment career. Ooh, maybe we should pay attention to this now. Okay. Yes. Should have happened a long time ago, but it finally is happening, and everyone needs to be involved in that. And and to quote two men in my family, my son and my husband, my son, who's 28, said to me, mom, do you have menopause? And I said, it's not a disease, Alex. It's not a disease. So let's start there. Okay. Although sometimes. And then. Okay. And he's kind of smart. And then my husband said to me, um, do all women go through menopause? Again, like hushed tone. And I said, only the ones that are alive, honey. So, I mean, I think when you start there, you know, we need to keep talking about it, but the the message has to be done in the right way. It has to be productive. It has to be forward facing. Um, and we need everyone to be involved in this conversation, just hopefully not with the same comments that the two men in my family led with. And the South. They say, bless his heart, yes. But I will also note and to that point, that it really does require all of us. It requires men and women to be part of women's health in order for women to get better, in order for them to have healthier access to care and healthier outcomes, we need men to be involved. And same with boys and girls, you know, in order to get over HPV and in order to get over some of these conditions that we're facing, we need both boys and girls to be vaccinated, for example. So these are things that we are focused on, not just at Merck but across the board. And I hope that everybody in this room will certainly be as well. So thank you. So before we go, we were just talking backstage about some very exciting news that I'm hoping some of our panelists can share. There have been some pretty exciting breakthroughs in the breast cancer space. Doctor Wong. Yeah, I would actually say in healthcare more broadly, for the first time, there's attention being paid to the fact that the immune system is an incredible source of power, that we have to treat so many different kinds of diseases, you name it, and the immune system is involved in some way. And I think just this growing recognition has been kind of transforming healthcare. And I'm really excited to know what this means for not only cancer, but heart disease. I mean, there have been many drug companies that have really been on the forefront, and they have been driving changes in cancer where we had incurable cancers that are being cured now and people are living for a very long time with cancers that we thought were death sentences before. So just incredibly exciting, transformative treatments. Um, and I think the one thing that I really wanted to put in a plug for is not only are there treatments that are immune based, but there are new preventive strategies, just like the cervical cancer vaccine. Um, we in our group are working on a breast cancer vaccine. And when you think of 1 in 8 women being diagnosed with breast cancer at some point in their lifetime, I'm really excited about the impact that a breast cancer vaccine will help, and it's something that we have within ourselves to fight cancer and being able to use that power to prevent cancer not only in breast, but in lots of other different sites as well. And this is something that's very relevant to you men in the audience, too. Uh, it's a really exciting time to be in medicine and in science. Yeah. Great. Well, thank you so much for joining us. This has been such a fascinating and inspiring conversation. 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