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While much talk about what the future could look like focuses on emerging and rapidly advancing technologies, speakers at the TIME Trailblazers Dinner in Las Vegas on Monday urged focusing on people._ by [Chad de Guzman](https://time.com/author/chad-de-guzman/) ## Chad de Guzman Reporter While much talk about what the future could look like focuses on emerging and rapidly advancing technologies, speakers at the [TIME Trailblazers](https://time.com/collection/time-trailblazers/2026/) Dinner in Las Vegas on Monday urged focusing on people. [Aicha Evans](https://time.com/collection/time-trailblazers/2026/aicha-evans/), the chief executive officer of autonomous vehicle company Zoox and a 2026 TIME Trailblazers honoree, talked about how the design of her company’s robotaxis—or “[toasters](https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/09/technology/zoox-waymo-san-francisco.html),” as she jokingly called them, in apparent reference to how boxy they look—prioritizes the rider experience and tries to eliminate the thought of driving altogether. “We have a very simple view: when you are in our purpose-built robotaxi, if you thought about driving, we actually failed,” Evans told moderator Kelly Conniff, TIME’s deputy editor and head of creative at TIME Studios. “We want you to be you. To some people, that’s hanging out. … To some people, like me, it’s probably the only time when I feel alone in a good way.” Evans added that Zoox also takes its responsibility to keep riders safe seriously, given how there are nearly [40,000](https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/traffic-deaths-2025-early-estimates-2024-annual) deaths in the U.S. each year related to motor vehicle crashes. Fellow panelist and 2026 TIME Trailblazers honoree, entrepreneur [Jason Ballard](https://time.com/collection/time-trailblazers/2026/jason-ballard/), whose construction-technology firm ICON specializes in 3D-printed housing, discussed how his own experiences with hurricanes in the Texas Gulf Coast made him think deeply about what decent human shelter looks like. He added that the way houses are built today is still “inhuman,” “sterile,” and “repetitive,” and that he envisions a world where housing can be both “affordable” and “beautiful.” Ballard argued that technology can reconcile values that otherwise appear to conflict. “What advanced technology is supposed to do is maybe bring our values out of conflict,” he says. “Right now you have to choose between affordability and beauty, or you have to choose between speed of construction and sustainability. But wouldn’t the purpose of technology be that we can have all of our values?” Steve Blum, executive vice president and chief operating officer of software company Autodesk, which is a presenting partner for the event, also participated in the panel and touched on current concerns about artificial intelligence and automation replacing humans. Blum said that at his company, “AI is here to augment the human, not replace the human,” adding that it gives people more time to do activities they love and to hone their expertise. “Everywhere around the world I travel, folks are saying they can’t go after all the projects they want to go after because they do not have the capacity and people,” Blum said. “AI will help by getting more out of each of the humans and allow them to do more work.” Ballard wrapped up the panel discussion with a vision for this people-focused future, and presented an optimistic view of technology’s role in bringing dignity to people’s lives. “There’s a lot of maybe scary, fearful things in the air right now around advanced technologies and AI,” he said. “But I think when you look at the things that are actually being done with the tools today… it’s a very cool time to be alive.” _The TIME Trailblazers Dinner: Designing and Making the Future was presented by Autodesk._ ## Transcript So the Time Trailblazers list recognizes leaders who dream up bold ideas and turn them into reality. And I'm excited to be here with three trailblazers tonight. So let's get started. Steve, I want to start with you as the chief operating officer at Autodesk, you're responsible for meaningful innovation that's internally and also the products that you guys create. How do you challenge the status quo when you're developing both of those types of products? Well, the best way to challenge the status quo is to never settle for what? What? Settle for good when you can be great. And one of the things we've done at Autodesk, and so we institute this ourselves. And then we then work in the role of helping our customers do this is we don't wait for the industry to disrupt us. We disrupt ourselves. We don't settle for doing things the same way we've always done them. We actually look for better ways to get them done, even if it introduces risk, because there's many times when industries are changing and when things are moving fast, especially in times like now, where if you do not make the move. First, someone will move ahead of you and then you're reacting and responding as opposed to driving it from there. So driving innovation inside the company for how we run our business and how we help our customers deal with the changes that they're focusing on. We're there to be the disruptors so that we can control our destiny and really own where we're heading in the future. So you got to stay ahead of the curve in order to make that happen. Yes. In fact, you got to bend the curve sometimes in order to to work it to your advantage. That's right. Well, speaking of Driving Asia, I want to talk to you next. So as CEO of Zoox, your driverless cars reimagine the experience of driving. It's about the rider, not the driver. And if you've been in Las Vegas for a few hours, you've probably seen a Zoox on the road, right? Tell us what inspired you to make this fundamental shift? It's really kind of a radical reimagining. Well, I mean, when you look at transportation, there hasn't really, especially on the roads, there hasn't really been a lot of change. And if you start thinking about transportation in terms of a utility, in terms of something that's available to most, that's one. Second, you start looking at self-driving technology and you go, what is the best way to apply that? We basically said, first principle, clean sheet of paper. What should it look like? We don't want a car that you then remove the driver and you see the steering wheel. And we don't want any of that. You really go, okay, let's go back to core first principle and say, what would the writer want? The writer wants to be transported. And so we had the audacity to start with a purpose built vehicle. Some call it a toaster. And I'm okay with that. And we have a very simple view when you are in our purpose built robotaxi. If you thought about driving, we actually failed. We want you to be you. To some people that's hanging out. To some people that's dancing to some people that's doing some bad things we won't talk about. To some people, like me, it's probably the only time when I feel alone in a good way. Oh, wow. That's deep. I ride around by myself in San Francisco, in Las Vegas, in Austin, and I just watched the world go by and let my brain relax. That makes sense. It's really about the rider, right? Putting you first. Exactly. Yeah. Um, Jason, I want to go to you next. As your boots and hat may tell us, you grew up on the Gulf Coast, right? Texas. I am a seventh generation Texan. Um, you also spent some time in FEMA housing due to weather. And your company icon, 3D prints housing and is pioneering a new approach to the housing and climate crises. How is your personal experience defined the vision of your company? Yeah. So I grew up in an area of Texas called the Big Thicket. The Big Thicket of Texas, actually the most biodiverse region of all of North America. There's like flying squirrels, roseate spoonbills that look like pink flamingos. Four species of carnivorous plants. I mean, it's like a really incredible place. It's also the largest concentration of petrochemical refineries in America. And so you sort of see this sort of like sacredness of the world that we all live on in sort of the desecration of that place at the same time. And it made a kiddo ask like really big questions about like, why we're living the way that we live and what we could maybe do about it. And as I've progressed through my life, worked in construction for a total of 20 years now. My hometown's been destroyed by hurricanes multiple times. I've spent Christmas in a FEMA trailer. My first paying job out of college was a programs director at a homeless shelter. And then in Austin, just the affordability as that city has boomed and grown. So whether it was like resiliency, affordability, homelessness, like we are not doing shelter. Correct? It's not like, hey, the t shirts could be cooler or like, uh, the boots could be doper or whatever. It's like shelter is a fundamental human need, and it's very difficult to imagine that the future can be incredible. If food, water, and abundant, dignified shelter aren't like normative across the globe. And so it began as a way of reimagining from first principles to, to use that phrase again. Um, could we build different, could we, what advanced technology is supposed to do is maybe like bring our values out of conflict, right? Because right now you have to choose between affordability and beauty, or you have to choose between speed of construction and sustainability. But wouldn't the purpose of technology be that we can have all of our values or the technology has failed as far as I'm concerned. And so after examining everything, it felt like construction scale, robotics and 3D printing were the way to go. I could imagine it being faster. You could imagine it being lower cost. You could imagine simplifying the supply chain, but leaving all the beauty and dignity on the table because the building material is fluid when you deposit it. So I could print you a house in the shape of a Fibonacci spiral if you wanted. It's the same cost as a square. And so that's kind of what we've been at. And we're a few hundred buildings in. And we are in fact now like the fastest and cheapest way to build. And I think, um, an incredibly beautiful way to build. And there are several hundred people, several hundred homeless people in Austin now who have shelter because of this technology. We have the contract with NASA to build the moon base. And I think we are on our way to like the the future can be really dope, y'all. Uh, it really can. I was really struck by abundant and dignified together. You don't often hear those words paired. It's a really powerful statement for what you're trying to do. Um, how do you think about that in terms of like pushing forward? Yeah, I mean, I will consider the company to be a failure. Um, the way that we're building right now, it's not a compliment to talk about cookie cutter housing developments. Um, people often ask about robots, like, aren't you afraid, like getting rid of humans and human labor? It's like, well, first of all, if you have a bunch of extra construction workers, will you please send them to Texas? Because like we, we don't have enough. Um, but to me, the way that we're building today is very inhuman. Like it's very sterile, it's very repetitive. It's kind of like monocrop agriculture. And I think the, the dynamism of the way that we build, uh, can allow for us to have both affordability and beauty. And as you think about trying to solve this problem at scale, because it is a problem of scale, you kind of want to imagine like, hey, what if we win? What will the world look like? And it would just destroy my spirit if the world got uglier because this technology succeeded. So we have held beauty and quality right alongside cost and speed of delivery from the very beginning of the company. And I think beauty is hard to put into a spreadsheet, but, um, and so as a founder, you just kind of have to insist on it. You have to, because it's very hard to put into a spreadsheet, but I will consider our company a failure if the work that we do doesn't make the world beautiful in the, in the places that we work. I love that. Steve, I want to come back to you. There's a difference between having a big idea and executing that big idea, right? And I know you've talked about this before this term, the clarity of outcome. Talk to us about what this means and why it matters. Yeah. We all have big ideas. Sure. It's not hard to have a big idea, but what's hard is to, first of all, get other people behind the big idea. Then find a way to prove the big idea can be done. Then ultimately get people to rally around why? Most likely, a change is necessary in order to be able to execute on it. So having that clarity is so important because you cannot pull people behind you. You cannot rally people to go and do something different if you don't have that clarity. So, um, big ideas fail when they're left on the whiteboard and no one's thought about how do I go and execute this thing, not just technologically, but how do I solve the people problems associated with getting there? Because I've talked with many of the folks that are in the room here, and we all expect and believe that technology needs to continue to evolve for us to achieve our goals. But most of our limitations are not technology limitations. They're the people side of change that keeps us back when to do something different, to focus on something that's new. Um, there's a resistance in the system. There's a desire to keep doing things the old way. Even if we complained about what the old way was. Um, so being able to get people to think differently, to have a different mindset and then to focus on why this is beneficial, that's really the key to having the clarity that ultimately leads to turning a big idea into a big outcome. That's great. Yeah. You have to have that big idea. Step one, step two. Talk about the big idea. Get people behind it. Right. And then you have to execute it. Absolutely. And be open to other ideas reshaping the big idea along the way. That sounds hard. It's very hard. But when we typically have a big idea, we have a destination in mind. And usually the person who started it or the team that started it has a lot of details around that. Oftentimes, the desired outcome of that new destination can be reached multiple ways. And sometimes the best way of getting there wasn't the first way we got there. So being open to making adjustments to other feedback and ideas is really how you get to. That's really what happens when you turn it into something real. That makes a lot of sense. And Aisha, I saw you nodding a lot specifically when we were talking about people, right. Which is so interesting considering the business that you have and, you know, you're, you're balancing that writer experience with safety. Figuring out what's happening in the community, sustainability. How do you navigate these competing priorities, whether you're dealing with people, technology or your toasters? My lovely, beautiful toaster. Um, it starts with the mission is really the boss. We have clarity around that. We don't apologize for that. And if you are not interested in the mission, that's okay. There are other missions. But inside of the mission is the bus, and it's pretty clear. Second, you have to have almost in addition to the joy and love back to people, you have to have irrational belief. Some days are hard. Sometimes I look at the one of our two co-founders and I'm like, so tell me again, you're sitting at Stanford doing a PhD, being a lazy bum, and you decide that you're going to do what? But then he will apologize to me because of things we have to put in place processes, transparency. I'll come back to safety and vertical integration. And I'm like, don't apologize, because if you had known any better, you would not have started. So managing the phases, Understanding the destination, being in love with it, being committed to it, and being open to the fact that the way there is going to be have detours. It's not going to be linear. Accepting that you already know what you think. So what you're. What matters is what you're not thinking and incorporating those ideas. So for us, the vertical integration helps a lot because it allows us to essentially make decisions internally. There is no conflict between the car, the AI folks, the manufacturing folks we get in a room. It's not about who wins the argument. It's about making sure no function loses because it's one vertically integrated product and then managing the phases. Right now, it's hard for me. It's been R&D, R&D, R&D, which is really fun. You're in the lab, you're trying things, new releases, and now there's a business and customers and they have opinions And they let us know it's about scaling. But there is still a lot of R&D to do because we haven't solved snow yet. We have so many cities to scale into. So just being open about that and discussing it, choosing a way. And then if there are adjustments, we make them. You find a way. That's how you make a way or you find a way. That makes sense. Yeah. Um, Jason, I want to come back to you. You said the word moon earlier and I have to pick up on this thread. Um, because your company is developing solutions for homelessness and climate change on earth, but you're also working on this project with NASA that will allow structures to be built on the moon. What has working with NASA about the moon taught you about solving problems on earth? Yeah, I think it's it was maybe an Einstein quote. If not, it's apocryphally an Einstein quote, um, that sometimes when a problem is so hard, you have to like make the problem bigger in order to solve it. Um, and the problems of construction and housing affordability and homelessness on earth are like quite persistently difficult to solve. But the moon actually is the deep end of the pool for like labor shortages, materials efficiency. And so somehow when you, like, make the problem even bigger and harder, the solutions can be like quite powerful. Um, and so our pitch to NASA from the beginning, my master's degree was in aerospace engineering. I've been working in the construction industry and my master's in aerospace engineering specifically, my thesis was in lunar construction. So the joke about how I got started is if you think about space robots all day and you build houses all, all, all, all, all day as well, then you end up starting a company where robots build things. And we said, hey, same thesis we should be building with robots. We need to use local materials instead of like lots of processed materials that we bring with us. And versatility is going to beat specialization. We need a unified construction system that can build all the major elements of lunar construction roadways, landing pads, habitats, etc. and we shouldn't have to bring anything with us. It's going to be too expensive and we'll never have a moon base. And so NASA had never heard anybody talk that way. And they said, prove it. And so we've proved it. We've now done full scale testing with lunar simulated moon dust in dirty thermal vacuum chambers and lunar conditions. And the material is more than twice as strong as the concrete that we build with on earth in a vacuum simulated materials. And we've actually done one spaceflight where NASA actually loaned us Apollo sample, like actual moon dust that we used on a spaceflight with Blue Origin, where we simulated lunar gravity. And so we have in Austin, Texas, like the technology that can build everything we can need on the moon using nothing but the local resources of the moon. And so now, how has that helped us back in Austin, the second generation of the printer that we just released resembles more the architecture for our lunar printer, because again, the moon was the deep end of the pool for figuring out autonomy, movement, efficiency, etc.. And our software that we use, the mission control software that we developed on a NASA contract now supervises all our robots working on all these affordable housing projects all over the place. So it is for sure true that there would be less homeless people in Austin with housing had we not worked with NASA than there is now. And so this is that kind of like broad, big thinking that like making the problem harder somehow gives a breakthrough solution. In our case, that's what's happening. That's incredible. Wow. Steve, I want to talk to you about AI, which I feel like is underpinning this conversation in every conversation lately. You know, these tools can offer enormous opportunities, but it can also be really difficult for people to adapt. So how do you adopt a new technology like AI? Will not losing sight of the people that it's trying to serve? Yeah. Well, the the first challenge is getting folks to realize that it's not a risk to their jobs and their careers to use AI. In fact, many times we talk about the fact that the only folks that risk losing their jobs to AI or people that have not started to use AI. And the principle behind that, and the principle behind how we think about it at Autodesk, is AI is here to augment the human, not replace the human. Um, it's, it's able to do things that the humans have been required to do in the past that they don't want to do. I mean, when you spend a lot of time doing redundant, repeatable tasks that are required to get done, but they're not innovative, they're not creative, they're not leveraging the subject matter expertise you may have studied. And the thing that motivates you when you wake up in the morning, um, it's a challenge. We can use AI to do the things that people don't love doing, but it has to get done so they can spend more of their time working on the things that are creative and innovative. But this is how we get more construction capacity in Austin, Texas, and the rest of the world, because our customers do not have enough capacity to do all the work they want to do. Everywhere around the world I travel, folks are saying they can't go after all the projects they want to go after because they do not have the capacity in people. AI will help by getting more out of each of the humans and allow them to do more work. But the key to the to the first question is we have to help people recognize that changing the way they work to use the AI tools is not a risk to them. It is a benefit to them, and we really need to support them through that process. So we're on a journey together. We're things are changing faster now than ever before, but I truly do believe, and we at Autodesk do believe, that AI is going to augment how people work, make their their work more creative, more innovative, and really help us start addressing some of the capacity challenges that we are all facing because we all want to do more, and we just are limited by the number of people and resources and money we have available to us. Right. That makes sense. Aisha, do you find that that's true in your work as well? Well, I mean, AI native, the toasters are driven by an AI engine that's running on a lot of GPUs. And so for us, the focus was more on safety. We take our responsibility very seriously. The fact that we accept in the United States of America that over 40,000 people lose their lives through essentially driving is not acceptable. It's up to about 3 million globally. And so we're we're very focused on safety, not just the safety, the safety of the rider, the safety of the the robot and the safety of the community around us. As far as from a productivity standpoint, I have the opposite problem. I have to train people in a little bit because they can do so much now, so quickly. The tokens are expensive, and so we did have to have a little bit of a of a budget type situation and a little bit of a tiring who gets to use what model. What's been beautiful though? You expected the engineers to use AI. What's been beautiful is the non-engineering functions. They actually have a Slack channel where they are sharing all of their ideas and all of the things that they've been able to do. So that's been great. And last but not least, this was my favorite intern class so far this year. We had about 150 interns. And back to using AI. They don't know any better. That's the only way they know to work. And a couple of them were given some tasks that I think are weakened. They were like, I'm not doing it that way. I'm going to do it differently. And some of the work that and the tools that they created are now going to production inside the company. And it really opened up people's vision and people's apprehension. Now, last but not least, we also don't go around saying, oh, AI is going to do so many bad things to you because in general, human beings don't react very well when you approach them that way. Be careful how you talk about it. Yeah. You kind of talk about the positive and you're transparent. And then when you do that, it becomes an invitation and awesome things happen. Yeah. That's great. Um, Jason, I'm going to have you take it home for us as you look into the future with all of your, your different types of businesses and how everything's coming together, what are you most excited about? I mean, of course, my answer will be like, I think again, shelter being like such a basic human need and such a, a cross-cultural problem right now. It's not just sort of just an American problem. Uh, construction quality, construction, sustainability, construction affordability. It seems to be a global problem. And I think about a world where our basic needs are met in a very dignified way. And I feel like we now have in our hands the tools to do that. Of course, in construction, but maybe like more broadly, there's a lot of maybe scary, fearful things in the air right now around advanced technologies and AI. But I think when you look at the things that are actually being done with the tools today, and it appears in the near term, that will be done. Uh, it's a very cool time to be alive. And I think these conversations about homelessness and affordability and these kinds of things don't have to be so damn depressing, but we're going to have to have some agency. We're going to have to keep our hands on the steering wheel here. But it feels like the car is moving in a good direction. It feels, like, really exciting to me. So, uh, don't let the doomers, uh, depress you. It's a really cool time to be alive, and I think we can make the world more human and more exciting. Uh, and maybe a mantra for, for entrepreneurs and inventors is like, go to where the suffering is. Mhm. Uh, like that's where that's both valuable as a business and is also the most rewarding as a human. And there's a lot of people running toward the suffering right now, uh, and coming up with some really cool stuff. So I feel super excited about the future. Yeah, yeah. That's great. Um, an inspiring note to leave us on. Thank you all. Thank you everyone. Enjoy the rest of the night. 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