Tiffany Nicole and Abigail Glasgow

Nicole is originally from Elgin, Illinois and now calls Los Angeles home. She is the host of her podcast Locked In, an innovator, and self-proclaimed force to be reckoned with in her quest to shed light on the struggles faced by mothers with incarcerated children. Glasgow is a prison abolitionist and freelance writer, who spoke to Nicole for this piece.

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