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The Home Depot’s Franziska Bell, Wayfair’s Fiona Tan, and Rokt’s Sam Dozor spoke at TIME’s Executives of the Year Impact Dinner: Tech & Data._ by [Connor Greene](https://time.com/author/connor-greene/) ## Connor Greene Reporter Oct 14, 2026 4:45 AM UTC by [Connor Greene](https://time.com/author/connor-greene/) ## Connor Greene Reporter Oct 14, 2026 4:45 AM UTC Chief technology officers gathered for a panel at TIME’s Executives of the Year Impact Dinner: Tech & Data on Tuesday night in New York City and discussed the ways that technology has shifted how their companies operate. Speaking on the panel at the TIME forum were Franziska Bell, CTO and executive vice president of The Home Depot; Fiona Tan, CTO of online marketplace giant Wayfair; and Sam Dozor, CTO of global e-commerce company Rokt, which sponsored Tuesday’s event. Bell emphasized “always being grounded in the consumer experience” when thinking about how to adapt to new and emerging technologies, or what she described as “the art of the possible.” One new AI tool that The Home Depot has deployed is Magic Apron, an “AI empowered home improvement expert,” Bell explained, that can help customers locate items in store, answer how-to questions about products, and respond to images uploaded by users. Applications like Magic Apron, which Bell says has been rolled out in 2,000 U.S. stores, result from Bell assessing the “friction” involved in customer experiences and working to reduce it with technological tools. She did not, however, discount the crucial roles that humans play alongside tech. “I’m a huge believer in human-AI teams,” Bell said. “That’s really where the magic happens.” Tan also spoke about the customer experience at Wayfair and how technology has been leveraged to help consumers figure out what they want from the company’s wide selection of products. “A lot of times people don’t know what they’re looking for, they can’t describe it, and so perhaps we offer you a journey that will resonate,” she said. “We have to also innovate and provide them an experience that speaks more to them.” When it comes to hiring new employees who can tackle consumer experience goals and integrate AI into their work, Tan stressed the importance of “adaptability” in young candidates who can seamlessly adjust to the quickly changing tech landscape. Tan also said that it’s important to pair younger generations with older ones who have more experience at their companies. Dozor said that the moment is prime for companies to invest in technology. “The time is here,” he said. “The time is now, and all of us need to live it.” One of the ways Rokt does this is by expanding the variety of work its employees can do using AI. “It’s amazing to see engineers lean into building product specs and designers writing code,” he said. In that spirit, Rokt, he explained, takes a forward-looking approach to its work, always thinking about what’s next for its employees and what they can accomplish. “Times are changing quickly,” Dozor said, and people can choose to live in the past, present, or future. “We’ve chosen to live six months from now.” _TIME Impact Dinner: Executives of the Year: Tech & Data was presented by Rokt._ ## Transcript [00:00] Thank you everyone, and thank you to [00:01] all of you for doing this. [00:03] Um, I wanted to start off [00:05] with something that Sam flagged earlier, [00:08] which is that everybody in this room, [00:10] everybody on this stage, [00:12] is making very, very important and critical [00:14] decisions about how we use technology. [00:17] And nowadays, when we say technology, [00:18] we're basically invariably talking about AI. [00:21] It seems to me that there is a tension there, right? [00:24] Because on the one hand, [00:26] you've got this amazing new technology [00:28] that is doing extraordinary things. [00:30] Um, and there's a pressure, I suppose, um, [00:34] on business executives like yourself to [00:36] invest and make sure that you are ahead of the curve. [00:40] And yet at the same time, [00:41] it's not clear to me what the curve is, right? [00:45] So how do you make that decision? [00:47] Fiona, if I could start with you. [00:49] I thought you said you were starting with friends. [00:51] So surprise keeping you on your feet. [00:54] Um, you know, I think [00:55] there were certain things I think most of us [00:57] have leveraged sort of [00:59] the previous generation of AI. For some time. [01:01] So I think it helped in terms of looking [01:03] for the good opportunities for this new, [01:05] you know, new flavor of AI. [01:07] And I think a lot of it's also, you know, [01:09] I think in the past, you try [01:11] something and you could stick with it for some time. [01:13] Right now you have to, to be quite [01:15] nimble and you got to try again. [01:17] If it doesn't work, you know, [01:18] you might need to come back in a, you know, [01:20] a couple of months and it might be actually working. [01:22] So, you know, I think that that's been one [01:24] of those things where also, um, [01:26] being open and looking at [01:27] more opportunities and also being okay with just saying, [01:31] you know, maybe you're flying too [01:32] close to where the frontier models are at, [01:34] but they're not quite there yet. [01:35] And, you know, for example, like in our case, [01:37] we're trying to do visualization for rooms. [01:39] And the models don't do that well with [01:41] dimensions and spatial accuracy. [01:44] And so, you know, that's [01:45] one of the things we also have to say, [01:46] hey, look, not ready yet. [01:48] Let's keep moving and come back and check again later. [01:51] So that's, that's how I've been approaching it. [01:53] A lot of experimentation. [01:54] Front. [01:56] Being really grounded in [01:58] the customer experience and what [02:00] the users really need and want, [02:02] and deeply understanding that [02:04] and building towards that consistently. [02:06] I think a big portion of this is [02:07] also really defining interfaces. [02:10] And this might be technology interfaces, [02:12] it might be user interfaces. [02:15] So human plus technology [02:17] and it's also human human interfaces. [02:19] So operating models as well. [02:21] And so I think as Fiona said, [02:23] really having a long term learn mentality [02:26] and constantly seeing what is the art of the possible, [02:30] but always being grounded [02:32] in the consumer experience first. [02:34] So before I go to Sam, [02:35] could you explain what that [02:36] means in practice being grounded? [02:38] Do you do you ask your customers as you're applying [02:40] this technology around your stores, for instance? [02:43] So I think I'm [02:44] a huge proponent of falling in love with the problem. [02:46] So this basically means going and seeing for myself. [02:49] I work in the stores myself. [02:51] I see the user experience. [02:53] We also work a lot with user experience. [02:57] We now consolidated the user experience organization. [03:00] We hired a vice president of user experience, [03:03] really elevated human AI interactions and engagements. [03:08] I think that's really important. [03:09] And also leveraging super users, so early adopters, [03:13] folks that we show everything from a wireframe to [03:16] a working software very early on [03:18] the process and iteratively as well, [03:21] engaging very, very quickly if we're on the right path. [03:24] So Sam, at Rock, [03:26] you use AI to, [03:28] as you put it, improve the customer experience. [03:31] You use data for a lot of personalization. [03:33] Can you talk to us a little bit [03:35] about how important it is for you when you're doing that? [03:39] Balancing the application of the tech with, [03:42] again, the user experience, [03:43] because online seems it seems even harder [03:46] to me because they've got customers in their stores. [03:49] How are you sort of engaging in that feedback? [03:52] Absolutely. Yeah. Well, first off, [03:55] I question the premise. [03:56] I think the time is here. [03:58] Like, um, you know, [04:00] I would say a year ago, maybe with the, [04:02] with, with the opus four, [04:04] seven models, you know, [04:06] we were like pre those models. [04:07] We weren't quite there yet. [04:09] But um, as you know, at rocked what, [04:12] what Bruce and I have been sort of [04:14] espousing these last two years is that, [04:17] um, you know, the time is now and like, [04:20] help us be a part of it. [04:21] Um, I think the way we, [04:23] I think obviously being rooted [04:25] in the customer is, is number one. [04:26] Right? And so the, [04:28] a lot of people get obsessed with these sort [04:30] of leading metrics of AI of like, oh, [04:32] there's the code velocity [04:34] or the number of things we can try. [04:36] Um, or, uh, you know, [04:38] a number of products we can ship. [04:40] But the lagging metrics of [04:41] success have not necessarily changed. [04:43] Right? Understanding, um, you know, [04:46] are the experiences that [04:47] the customer is having are actually positive. [04:49] Um, our partners who we work with, [04:51] are they getting a positive experience? [04:53] And so none of that, [04:54] those lagging metrics have not changed. [04:55] And so, but what's great is that we just now [04:58] have more things we can try in order to move those. [05:01] So they haven't changed. Could they change? [05:05] I mean, as this technology becomes more and more part [05:07] of sort of the lifeblood of business, I think. [05:11] Yeah. I think the user experience is changing. [05:13] Right. Um, the ultimate lagging metrics [05:16] of a successful business haven't necessarily changed. [05:18] Right. But as, as you think about [05:20] what the customer experience should be, [05:22] um, you know, will they even be on a website anymore? [05:26] Or will they just be in, [05:28] in cloud or in some terminal or whoever they are, [05:31] you know, is it an agent talking to an agent? [05:33] So that that is all fundamentally changing? [05:35] Um, and I think something that's really [05:38] important and really exciting now is, um, [05:42] our client facing teams and people who speak [05:44] to customers day in and [05:46] day out or clients day in and day out, [05:48] they are now more able [05:49] to sort of prototype and think about what [05:51] those customer experiences should [05:53] be than they've ever been before. [05:55] Um, and so bringing [05:57] those folks closer and closer to the actual building, [06:00] I think is sort of unlocking [06:01] a new ability to sort of [06:02] explore that art of the possible. [06:04] Um, so Fiona, first of all, [06:06] do you agree with what Sam just said? [06:08] The time is now. [06:10] The time is now in terms of leveraging [06:12] data and having the capabilities, [06:13] I think, yeah, it is very exciting. [06:15] If you think about, you know, [06:17] we're in various forms of retail and e-commerce, right? [06:20] I mean, we've had our shoppers essentially [06:22] with a search bar and filters for the last 20 years. [06:25] And now we really have an opportunity [06:26] to enable much richer experiences. [06:29] A lot of it is around like, [06:30] how can we help our customers [06:32] find what they're looking for in, [06:34] in ways that are different than what [06:35] we were really handcuffed before. [06:37] And now we can do much, [06:39] much more, much more than, [06:41] than what we've been able to. [06:42] And so how do we lean into that? [06:43] And I think, yeah, absolutely. [06:45] The time is now you've got these models that [06:47] are not just conversational, they're multimodal. [06:50] Um, and, you know, for a category like ours at Wayfair, [06:52] where a lot of times people [06:53] don't know what they're looking for, [06:55] they can't describe it. [06:56] And so perhaps you. [06:57] I'll show you a picture. Maybe that will resonate. [06:59] Right. So and I think the other thing too, [07:01] is that for the longest time it [07:03] shoppers have had to look at sort of like [07:05] our ontology and sort of morphed [07:08] how they would ask us for things based on that. [07:10] And I think their expectations are changing. [07:12] And that's the what part around, [07:14] you know, as their expectations change, [07:16] I think we have to also innovate and [07:19] provide them an experience that speaks more to them. [07:22] So yeah, I think it's, [07:23] it's, it's exciting times. [07:25] We have a lot more tools and [07:26] a lot more help that we can, that we can leverage. [07:28] So, you know, it's certainly very exciting. [07:30] Just, just on that I had once this is confession time, [07:33] a very traumatic experience trying to [07:35] order a chair from a different retailer. Oh dear. [07:37] And, and it was traumatic [07:40] because I was trying to get a particular color. [07:43] And this is pre AI, [07:45] this is like a few years ago. [07:46] And it was the early days of [07:48] those pop up bots that sort of, [07:50] you know, jump in your face and aren't helpful. [07:53] At least one helpful then [07:55] and and it just wouldn't work, right? [07:57] And then I tried to get on the phone [07:59] with a human being and I couldn't. [08:02] And the net result was that I went elsewhere. [08:05] How do you like, [08:06] how do you ensure that that doesn't [08:09] happen for customers who are coming to you? [08:11] And I'll come to you in a second. [08:13] But like, how, how does that how are you measuring that? [08:16] And how are you making sure that you, [08:18] you said you're leaning into this and I totally see why, [08:21] but there's a bit of leaning in too far sometimes maybe. [08:25] Um, no, I think again, I [08:26] think based on what you're saying, [08:27] I completely agree is if you are grounded [08:29] on helping make that customer experience better, [08:32] then I think it helps [08:33] you kind of validate the work that you're doing. [08:35] So for example, in your case with [08:37] the chair and the color, etc.. [08:38] Right. If you a lot of what we do [08:40] on the sort of foundational side is really deep, [08:43] deep understanding of the products [08:45] of all the chairs that are and [08:47] all the attributes about chairs and color [08:49] and texture and material etcetera, etcetera. [08:51] And understanding it really, [08:52] really well is foundational for us. [08:54] and we can do that a lot better now [08:56] with the models and the understanding of, [08:58] you know, essentially imagery as well as text, right? [09:02] So that that's like very foundational. [09:04] And then the experiences on the site will [09:06] hopefully bring that to light [09:08] in different ways than it was before. [09:09] So it should be a lot more [09:12] seamless for you to be able [09:13] to find what you're looking for. [09:14] And then like I said, too, [09:15] it's sometimes it's like, [09:16] you know, you want some kind of chair, [09:18] but you don't know what style it is. [09:20] I mean, you know, I work [09:21] for a furniture company, so I should know. [09:23] But, you know, it's still there's so many styles, [09:24] you can't really say it. [09:25] You might be able to describe it. [09:27] You might be able to show a picture. [09:29] And I think those are the things that we can now [09:31] do that we like I said, [09:33] we couldn't do before. [09:34] So Fran, again, the same question. [09:36] But along with that, [09:37] we've talked a bit about [09:38] the front facing customer experience. [09:40] I want to understand a bit about [09:42] the back end and how this has, I imagine, [09:46] made supply chains, which for companies such as [09:49] yours are insanely complex and international. [09:52] How that's helped you navigate that. [09:55] And I wonder particularly [09:57] how it might help you at times of stress. [09:59] I'm thinking, of course, [10:00] of things like Covid, [10:02] when supply chains around [10:03] the world suffered immense stress. [10:05] So how are you applying the technology there? [10:07] But before that, do you agree with Sam, [10:09] who I've now made the profit of [10:10] this panel that leaning in? [10:13] Uh, definitely in terms of leaning in, [10:16] um, at Home Depot, [10:17] we have multiple different consumer experiences [10:21] and customer experiences that we provide. [10:24] We have, for example, magic apron. [10:26] This is our AI powered home improvement expert that [10:29] you have at any time in your pocket online on the app. [10:33] And now also recently in stores, [10:34] we recently rolled out to 2000 US stores as well. [10:38] And this is a fully multimodal experience. [10:41] Um, you might want to as [10:44] a do it yourselfer get some inspiration. [10:46] You want to get confidence about [10:49] your home improvement project if you are a pro customer. [10:53] So a professional contractor. [10:55] Your needs will look different. [10:57] And it comes back to your question, [10:59] how do you build consumer experiences [11:02] that are really tailored to the individual [11:04] and that just work and [11:06] solve real world problems for individuals? [11:08] So our pro customers are looking for specificity. [11:12] They're looking for time efficiency. [11:14] They really want to have that quote as quickly [11:16] as possible so they can win the job, [11:19] um, and confidently as well. [11:22] And so when we think about [11:24] the consumer experiences that we build, [11:26] again, we start with the customer lens. [11:28] First, we fall in love with the problem. [11:30] We start with the human centered design aspect, [11:33] and then we build on that. [11:35] And to come back to your question on measurement, [11:37] we not only measure engagement high level, [11:40] but really looking at the friction [11:43] less or friction fullness of the journey. [11:45] And how can we reduce [11:46] this metrics such as on time and complete, right? [11:50] Um, we obviously have express delivery now, [11:52] which is quite exciting. [11:53] Within two hours of thousands of [11:56] our various different products that we offer on site, [12:00] and obviously speed is a big component of this, [12:02] but also the quality of the delivery as well. [12:04] And at the back end, like, [12:06] like how is it helping you out [12:07] with supply chains and so on internationally? [12:09] Absolutely. So a big part of Home Depot is merchandising. [12:13] Product authority is extremely important to our company. [12:17] And we have hundreds of merchants making decisions, [12:21] dozens of decisions on a weekly basis. [12:24] And so building AI capabilities that support [12:28] our merchants so they can [12:30] continue to think extremely strategically, [12:32] build deep supplier relationships, [12:35] curate phenomenal products. [12:37] That is one area that we're very [12:40] heavily leaning into and seeing phenomenal results. [12:43] So, Sam, everyone seems [12:44] to agree with you, which is great. [12:46] I was wondering when people now come to you, [12:48] when clients come to you, [12:49] what are the questions you're getting in [12:51] this moment about the application of AI. [12:54] A lot of it is about organizational change. [12:56] How do you support people through [12:59] just such a change in [13:02] how the world works and what [13:04] their role is and where they belong? [13:06] You know, so many people, [13:08] you know, all different walks of life. [13:11] They they have their identity [13:13] tied up with what they do in their day to day. [13:15] Um, and so a lot of it is all about [13:17] how do you set up an organization for success. [13:20] Um, and so what is your answer? [13:23] Yeah. [13:23] Like you're playing therapist. [13:24] I had the perfect answer. [13:25] I, you know, um, maybe I'd write a book on it, [13:27] but, um, uh, you know, [13:30] what we've done at rocked is first of all, [13:31] just try to be as transparent as possible, right? [13:34] Um, uh, sort of that radically candid perspective of, [13:37] look, this is a crazy world. [13:40] Um, times are changing quickly. [13:41] We could either live in [13:43] the now or we could live in the past, [13:44] or we could live in like six months from now. [13:46] Right? And we've chosen to live [13:48] six months from now and say the technology, [13:50] maybe even if it's not quite there yet, [13:52] let's say it's there. [13:54] And what that has involved is redesigning people's roles. [13:58] So as an example, [13:59] um, about two years ago, [14:01] rocked had something like 12, [14:04] 15 different career ladders. [14:05] So there's different trajectories [14:06] that people would sort of [14:07] measure themselves against and think about, [14:10] you know, what's the next step for me? [14:12] Um, and we now, [14:14] within the span of like a month, [14:15] we went from that number down to four. [14:17] And so take like a typical engineering team, right? [14:19] You might have a three in a box of [14:22] a product designer and [14:23] a product manager and [14:24] an engineer and a team of engineers. [14:26] Right now we just have builders, right? [14:27] So everybody has that same expectation. [14:30] Um, and it's amazing to see engineers, you know, [14:33] lean into building product specs [14:35] and designers writing code. [14:37] Um, obviously everybody has their own interest areas. [14:40] But just to get back to your question, [14:41] so much of it is being said that like rah rah person and [14:44] being excited about where the world is going, um, [14:48] and supporting people get getting there and [14:50] being honest when people just are not making it there, [14:53] you know, which has been a hard part. [14:55] So Fiona, I imagine you are, and I'm sure, [14:57] Fran, you are doing a version of [14:59] this as well with your organizations. [15:00] I'm wondering how this [15:02] applies to when you're hiring new people. [15:04] Um, is it, how are you factoring in, [15:08] um, AI into that? [15:10] Is it proficiency? [15:11] Is it eagerness? Like what is it? [15:13] Because again, to go back to where we started, [15:15] the technology is evolving at such a rapid pace. [15:19] Yeah, I think for sure, looking at, um, [15:21] adaptability and a lot of its systems thinking. [15:25] And so sometimes it's, [15:26] it can come in from different domains, [15:28] but I think that that core ability to [15:31] have systems thinking and agility, [15:34] adaptability and being comfortable with that, [15:36] I think is something that's super important. [15:38] I think we're also leaning into, [15:40] um, hiring new grads, right? [15:41] I think we, um, you know, [15:43] it's funny, there's probably [15:44] two schools of thought on that one. [15:45] So, you know, I lean in the kind [15:47] of wanting to make sure that we are able to, [15:50] you know, build up the next generation of builders. [15:53] And, you know, if you think about [15:54] the kids that are coming out of school, [15:56] um, you know, they've spent the last [15:57] few years cheating on their homework. [15:58] And so they're very good at using the capability. [16:00] Right. Um, my son's over there. [16:02] He never cheated on his homework, but, um, [16:04] um, but but yeah, [16:06] I mean, so there's a different way of thinking. [16:07] And I think the other thing that's really neat is [16:09] they come in without any boundaries. [16:11] You talked about the 14 rules, right? [16:13] They didn't come in thinking, okay, [16:15] I'm supposed to be only a software engineer. [16:17] They come in going like, [16:18] well, I can, you know, [16:19] I can ask my agents to write code and [16:21] develop specs and look at the UI as well. [16:24] So, you know, that's the other thing, you know, [16:26] I feel like that's a really good, you know, [16:28] balance in the organization to have folks that are very, [16:31] very senior and have a lot of [16:33] domain expertise that are [16:34] learning the new craft as well as, [16:36] you know, kids that have kind of grown up with the craft [16:38] and are thrown into sort of to the domain. [16:41] And I think that is a nice mixture, [16:43] I would say. But but adaptability. [16:45] The other thing is also, I mean, I think there's [16:47] also a need for us to be empathetic because, [16:49] you know, for a lot of us that have grown up, um, [16:52] as software engineers, for example, [16:53] your whole identity was around, [16:55] you know, architecture and coding and [16:57] being really proud of being able to do that. [16:59] And we're now asking most of [17:01] our folks to not code, right? [17:03] We're saying you're going to have agents do your coding, [17:05] you're going to be thinking more and it is a good thing, [17:09] but it's still also very hard. [17:11] So I think as leaders, [17:12] I think just having that empathy [17:14] around how big of a change it is, [17:15] but at the same time, kind of saying, [17:17] we do need to adapt, [17:18] we do need to change. [17:20] So Fran, I wonder what [17:21] your message is in an organization such [17:23] as yours because you've got [17:24] real world stores right alongside, [17:27] of course, a digital presence and [17:29] everything else that we talked about. [17:30] Um, are you seeing different levels of anxiety [17:33] and are you then approaching this and [17:36] offering solutions that are tailored different [17:38] depending on whom you're [17:40] talking to within the organization? [17:41] Like I'm particularly thinking about [17:43] that split between the real world [17:44] Home Depot and the people working [17:46] there and involved in that. [17:48] And then people on the digital side. [17:50] Mhm. I'm a huge believer of human-ai teams and really [17:55] supercharging the expertise and [17:57] ingenuity of humans through artificial intelligence. [18:00] Um, and as we all know, [18:03] AI still has a jagged frontier. [18:05] It can be quite exceptionally good at [18:07] some things and then at other parts, [18:09] even common sense reasoning sometimes falls short. [18:12] Um, so therefore, I think in order [18:14] to have the largest impact, um, [18:18] the fastest is to really pair humans with [18:22] artificial intelligence and really [18:24] have that very deep expertise. [18:27] The curiosity that you mentioned, the strategic thinking, [18:30] the human judgment, the empathy that I think is really, [18:34] really important and bring both of these together. [18:37] I think that's really where the magic happens. [18:39] That's a very nice combination and [18:40] a very nice note to end on. [18:42] So thank you all very much. And thank you. 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