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Artificial intelligence could flatten your company hierarchy, improve global agriculture, and give you the perfect vacation. It could also leave you permanently jobless, destroy your region’s economy, and cause mass social upset. Those high-stakes defined the mood as panelists at the third annual TIME100 AI Impact Dinner grappled with the dilemmas of machine intelligence in San Francisco on Monday night. Chief among them: whether AI will cause mass job loss, a new jobs boom, or both at once._ by [Io Dodds](https://time.com/author/io-dodds/) ## Io Dodds Updated: Sep 15, 2026 2:01 PM UTCPublished: Sep 15, 2026 9:30 AM UTC by [Io Dodds](https://time.com/author/io-dodds/) ## Io Dodds Updated: Sep 15, 2026 2:01 PM UTCPublished: Sep 15, 2026 9:30 AM UTC Artificial intelligence could flatten your company hierarchy, improve global agriculture, and give you the perfect vacation. It could also leave you permanently jobless, destroy your region’s economy, and cause mass social upset. Those high-stakes defined the mood as panelists at the third annual TIME100 AI Impact Dinner grappled with the dilemmas of machine intelligence in San Francisco on Monday night. Chief among them: whether AI will cause mass job loss, a new jobs boom, or both at once. “At the beginning of the century, our company,” said Glenn Fogel, chief executive of travel conglomerate Booking Holdings, “had human translators, thousands of them. … How many human translators do you think we have today? I don’t know what they’re doing right now, but I feel bad. Their job is just no longer needed.” (Booking.com, which is part of Booking Holdings, was a sponsor of the event.) He also outlined his company’s vision for AI travel agents that can organize your vacation to suit your preferences and reorganize it on the fly if weather or delays throw a spanner in the works. Fogel was among the executives, innovators, storytellers, and activists gathered at the city’s Asian Art Museum to celebrate those honored in the 2026 TIME100 AI list, which highlights the year’s most influential people in AI. In an on-stage discussion before the dinner, TIME editor in chief Sam Jacobs asked panelists what trends they saw in the labor market — and how worried new graduates should be about their future. “\[AI\] needs to be pivoted in the right direction,” said Ravi Kumar S, CEO of the outsourcing giant Cognizant, which also sponsored the event. Whereas previous tech disruptions have shifted power upward in the corporate structure, he argued, AI could shift it downward: giving more power, capability, and control to everyday employees. “This is a technology which will flatten the pyramid if you can drift the capability to the front lines,” he said. But, he added, “companies all over the world are still not doing that.” He advocated new taxes on companies that use AI to replace human workers, as a “temporary bridge” to a more stable future economy. Fogel warned of social unrest if governments don’t act now to limit the impact on people who cannot realistically retrain into AI-based careers. “I’m concerned about how fast this change is happening. In the past it happened much slower,” he said. “I think government has to have a role in making sure that this transition period is done in a way that we don’t end up in societal disruption.” Booking Holdings, for its part, he said, is training “every single employee” to become “AI literate” — so that “if, God forbid,” the company can no longer justify their jobs, they might find other work. Still, both men expressed skepticism about[ recent calls by U.S. AI workers and some executives to “pace the frontier”](https://time.com/article/2026/08/26/openai-sam-altman-interview/) and slow down advanced research and development. If U.S. companies slow down but “bad actors” do not, Kumar S argued, “then you are in a much worse situation.” Fogel similarly warned that companies abroad — he did not name “China” — were “feverishly trying to develop similar technologies,” likening the problem to nuclear proliferation. But AI’s potential isn’t all bad, the speakers agreed. Fellow panelist Doreen Bogdan-Martin, secretary general of the International Telecommunication Union, praised countries such as Canada and Rwanda for their investments in upskilling their populations. She added that AI-literate young people in the developing world are already creating “tremendous” new innovations in agriculture, early warning systems, healthcare, and education. But she also advocated international effort to “connect the unconnected,” pointing out that 2.2 billion people around the world have still never used the internet and 71 percent have never used generative AI. “I’m all about AI for good and AI for all,” she said. “We need to be thinking about capacity development, access to compute ... helping ensure that the rest of the world is at the table to be part of this conversation ... not just as a consumer but also a producer. Because there’s so much talent out there.” _The TIME100 Impact Dinner: Leaders Shaping the Future of AI was presented by Deloitte, Booking.com, and Cognizant._ ## Transcript Um, let's start with an easy question. Um. Yes or no? AI is going to kill us all. Ravi. What was that? C you know what? You come up here. I need you to be paying attention. Um, I'm curious what you make of this moment. We've had a stampede of conversation and announcement. The president is out. Presidenting. We have a lot of leaders here raising questions about how fast or slow we should be thinking about development from your seat, from your perspective, how do you make sense of this moment? You know, if it's in the hands of a few players, you can't stop it. You should pace it. You should enable and control it, but you should continue progressing. I mean, it's a tale of two cities. The technology has huge capability. The production value is way below. So it can do some exceptionally good things, but it cannot actually do some basic things. So you should continue to do this till it's in the hands of many people. If you don't, if you start to pace it now and not think about what happens, if somebody else is going to advance this and it's going to be a bad actor, then you're going to be in a much worse situation. So the point to make is there is a duty. Duty of care. And the duty of care is I have the responsibility to put my guardrails. I have the accountability. And if I can make that differentiation, I will get my competitors to actually have the same duty of care. And if the same duty of care is with my competition, then the market will make that the baseline for you to deliver value. So it starts with setting up the guardrails, the safety with with the frontier model companies and the eco system around it. Unless we start there. But if it's only with two players or three players, the open weight system. The open weight models have not yet completely got matured. You can't actually say, you know, let's face it, let's slow it down. This is like nuclear technologies. We shut it into, into, into the can. It never took it never came out. And here we are now after 50 years, nuclear technology is still in the can. So I'm just drawing parallels to to it and say that the duty of care is with the players who own it, and they should take the responsibility to set the guardrails and the safety and everything else will fall in place. Glenn, as a as a technology leader, do you trust the leaders of these companies to do this responsibly? Well, I don't I don't think we should restrict it just to the current leaders of the companies that we're talking about, because it's actually a global issue. There are companies that are not based in this part of the world, who are also feverishly trying to develop similar type technologies. And he goes into that issue. So we had the the benefit of a nuclear, uh, decisions to keep it in the can, as you were just saying. And the problem is that the current technology, though it's not nation state developed. It's done by smaller groups. Yes. It requires a tremendous amount of capital. Right now, we don't know what it'll be five years from now or ten years from now, etc.. Look, anytime new technologies come in and there is always the issue of what are the benefits and what are the risks, and the question who makes the decisions about that? That's why leadership is so important right now. And I do like the fact that some leaders around the world are trying to bring together the responsible people who are actually interested in coming up with what should these guardrails be? What is it? And the problem is, because the technology is developing so rapidly and everybody here knows this, everybody in this room understands this, and governments work slow. I mean, that's part of the problem, is the people who are actually going to make the rules are still trying to understand, huh? What what is this again? I don't understand this. And that's our problem. During your one of the people trying to make the rules. How confident are you that we can get the different stakeholders together to build a positive pathway forward? Yeah. Um, well thank you and I'm so happy to be here. Um, I mean, I think perhaps first to Ravi's point about pacing. Uh, the importance of, of trust, the importance of responsibility. I think that's a key thing. And I guess to Glenn's point, yes, this is a global issue, but our conversation, it's not globally diffused. And I think I just want to take us to the perspective of the fact that today you have 2.2 billion people that have actually never been on the internet, and we're talking about artificial intelligence and the discussions that have happened over the past 72 hours. You only have 71% of the world that's actually ever tried. Sorry, 71% has never tried artificial for any form of generative AI. And so you have this huge gap when it comes to diffusion. You have a huge gap when it comes to regulatory approaches. But at the same time, the developing world is not waiting. And so I'm confident that we can have global discussions, that we can forge global dialogues, and ultimately, that we can have a common understanding when it comes to technical standards. Ravi, the the question about whether these advancements are shared equally, I think, is one that you think about a lot too. Um, let's talk about this from the employment perspective, which is a topic you're familiar with. The data suggests that employment in this country at this moment is going very well, unless you're a recent college graduate. And I'm curious how you would convince a 22 year old coming out of college this summer to be excited about what AI is going to do for her. You know, this needs to be pivoted in the right direction, um, for the last 30 to 40 years, every technology disruption has drifted the capability upwards. Let's take an example. A teller of a bank, teller of a bank does repetitive tasks. And for the last 25 years, the role has not changed. The interactions the teller of a bank does with a customer are actually captured by an analyst in the corporate block who actually makes more money than the teller, because they actually access the analytical tools to do the upsell cross sell. This is a technology where the access is going to be on natural language. You can drift it to the front lines if you can drift it to the front lines, the capability is going to drift to the front lines, but the value doesn't follow capability. It doesn't follow access. It follows control. So this back. To. 22 year old, why should she be excited about what AI is going to do for her? So I'm coming to that in a minute. So as you drift that capability to the front lines because it has access, you can actually create more throughput. You could make those jobs more judgment driven, more accountable, more accountability, and more outcome based. And therefore you can actually give the teller of the bank more wages. So what I'm coming to is this is a technology which will flatten the pyramid. If you can drift the capability to the front lines, and if you can drift the cable to the front lines, you should also reconfigure those jobs for judgment, accountability and outcomes so that you can actually get more wages. So companies all over the world are still not doing that. If you do that, you're going to find you're going to need more people at the bottom of the pyramid than ever before. The pyramids are going to be flattened. You're going to see middle layers of orchestration and, and coordination go away. And the path to expertise is going to be much shorter. So the upward social mobility of these jobs are going to be higher and higher. So I'm actually foreseeing a future where you need more school graduates into your workforce than ever before, because you could drift this intelligence to the front lines. Glenn, are you seeing that trend inside your company? Uh, it's a little bit different for us. And I, and I do worry about the fact that, yes, we have seen technology has developed more jobs. The problem is, though, the people whose job was displaced, they are not necessarily going to be able to take those new interesting jobs that are being spoken of. And I don't think we have anyone here who's a truck driver probably. Right. But do you think a 40 something year old truck driver, when their job is eliminated, because all the trucks are now being done by an autonomous truck? What's going to happen to that person during that time? They're going to reskill them. I don't think so. And there are a couple, I don't know, a few million Teamsters who drive trucks. And we can go lots of different parts of the job, areas that will be eliminated. And yes, for society as a net. It's good. Okay. But we have to think about what are we going to do about those people displaced we had at the beginning of the century. Um, our company booking holding, we operate throughout the world and we had human translators, thousands of them, thousands of them translating into over 40 languages. How many translator human translators do you think we have today? Huh? I don't know what they're doing right now, but I feel bad. Their job was just no longer needed. One of the things that we're doing and I make, and I've talked my head of HR, I said, I want every single employee to become AI literate. I want them to be trained. I want them that if, God forbid, we no longer have a need for that person's services and that role, and we cannot find another role and we can't, I want, at least for them to be able to develop their own skills so they can actually have a place to go, thing to do. But I'm telling you, and you look at and I'm saying this as global Philippines, I know what 10% of it maybe is a business processing outsources. It can be interesting thing that happens there, right? I am concerned about the how fast this change is happening. In the past it happened much slower and we saw saw in the US how that happened in the Midwest. Getting hollowing out go down to where the furniture making was done in the southeast. That is a real problem here. And I think government has to have a role in making sure that this transition period is done in a way that we don't end up with societal disruption during. What is your your view on this from the global perspective? We're talking about mobility largely in the American context. Is it possible for AI to create social mobility across the world? Well, I think when it comes to jobs, it's hard to predict what the future's going to look like. Clearly, we're going to have augmentation, things will be amplified, jobs will be lost, jobs will be created. I think one thing that's certain as as Glenn was just saying is that we need to be AI literate. I was, um, interested in Canada's recent announcement, this national AI literacy that they're rolling out. But other countries in particular in the developing world are following suit. I'll give you an example of Rwanda, where they have mandated that high school and elementary school teachers have to be AI literate. So here you take a developing country that's also very forward looking when it comes to all things digital and ensuring that the teachers, if they're in a rural village or if they're in a more developed community, that they actually have that AI literacy and can help ensure that the students also have that AI literacy. I think the other thing that we're seeing is the incredible innovations that are coming out of the developing world. We may be giving AI literacy, but young people are not waiting. They're becoming AI literate Themselves and the applications that they're developing, be it for agriculture. For early warning systems, for health care education. I think it's just tremendous. And that's where we also need to be focused. One of the interventions, Ravi, that you've called for is a rethinking of our tax policy. The idea that companies should be discouraged from replacing workers with AI and instead focus on how to amplify those jobs. You and I have talked about this call for taxation can't be very popular with your clients. And I'm curious how you actually see this working in the real world today. Yeah. So just to Glenn's point, before I jump to that, I think the the reskilling infrastructure should be a part of the AI infrastructure stack. It can't be a side thing to do. It has to be a rapid response mechanism. A lot of times the jobs are not going to change. The tasks underneath the jobs are going to change. So if you can amplify that potential and you could actually, you know, outsource some of those tasks to machines and create those learning loops between machines and humans. And that will be the new alpha for companies. So one of the areas I've worked on is taxation. I mean, if you look at the fiscal infrastructure of developed and developing nations across the world. You give a free runway to capital and you tax the wages and labor at the end of it. Now, one of the traditional solutions people have spoken about is we do a minimum basic income at the end of the cycle. Now that is a flawed model. The moment you say there is a minimum basic income at the end of the cycle, you are actually painting a doomsday situation, and hence you're putting a social welfare program out there. So the thesis I have in mind is if you're drifting capability to the front lines, you're creating more throughput at the bottom and you're eliminating the middle layers and you're flattening the pyramid. You could actually tax the capital, which is eliminating those jobs to as a temporary bridge to land on the other end. Remember, this is a transition where the jobs of the future are going to be significantly higher than the jobs of the past. We need to deal with the transition in a, in a, in a, in a good way. So as long as those jobs are are amplifying the potential, that is good enough. If you're eliminating, you should be able to tax the digital labor. Remember, this is the first time a technology is action oriented. It is mimicking human labor and it's not a fair game. Do you have any confidence that this is possible? It is possible. I mean, we could we could go in hours to talk about why it is possible, but it's a temporary bridge. It's a temporary bridge for you to make sure that the jobs of the future are outpacing the jobs of the past. You're not using this technology to eliminate jobs. You're using technology to amplify the potential. I wish we had put this technology back in the can, brewed it more, and opened it up when the global economy was in good shape. Today, most of the leverage of AI is for productivity. It's not for new things. We're trying to do old things in new ways. We are not. We have still not pivoted to innovation. We've still not pivoted to say cure for cancer. We have not pivoted this for material sciences. We have not pivoted this for things which humans couldn't do. We've pivoted this to to doing things which humans could do. And hence, I think we should. It's a fair thing that you should actually tax the capital, which is eliminating jobs as a temporary bridge till you get to a point where these jobs are. I mean, remember, it's a temporary bridge because there is there could be flight of capital if you do it for a long period of time. It is only a bridge to ensure that there is a level playing field. Glenn, yours is the maybe original agentic industry. I'm curious how you think about how your own business may be disrupted by people who are simply going to use their these frontier models, these frontier companies work to to do the work that booking has done for a quarter century. Yeah. So, um, look, our business has been continuously changing in the industry has been continuously changing since the first, uh, maybe Thomas Cook in the 18 mid 1800s came up with package travel and railroads. And this business continues to, to change and travel will continue to do it. And agentic commerce. Absolutely. And why someone would assume that we're not going to be the leader in that. I don't I don't know why you made that assumption. I think we're going to be pretty far ahead on this thing. The fact is, right now, our industry still sucks. Okay. Travel is really hard. Everybody loves it. Everybody enjoys it. You all do it, I like it. I hope you use us. Thank you very much. But the truth of the matter is you all have frustrations. This morning I came out, I was going to get a flight from New York, 2.5 hours on the on the taxiway, a mechanical problem. It's a nightmare and it's going to be I'm going to get it tonight. A red eye to Washington. I know it's going to suck. The thing is. You clearly you love what you do. But that's the thing we do love travel. See, we put up with this. And it's not the travel itself, it's the planning. It's making sure I'm doing the right thing. Do I trust that I'm going to get what I want? A and what we're doing, creating using the technology to make it better, easier, frictionless. So you're getting what you want exactly what's good for you. And if something goes wrong, gets fixed. And the great thing about AI, it's predictability. It's a prediction machine. It will predict you're going to have that problem. I don't know if it predicts the mechanical problem this morning, but it's definitely going to predict the fact that you're going to rain on Thursday, your boat riding on the Amsterdam canals is going to be not good. Why don't we switch it? So you go to the Rice Museum instead that day, and you do the boat ride when it's a sunny day. And that's the prediction you want as a traveler. And that's what we are doing right now. And I'll tell you, we're a little bit doom doomy here when we're starting off on our, you know, our little tour. There wasn't a lot of good good here. Happiness. Good AI is going to be great for us too. We're going to have so many wonderful things and okay, we're not curing cancer. I got it. We're not using it for productivity. You're using it for building new things. And that's the point I was making. Exactly right. But there are side effects. Don't forget those. Those translators, they're not with us anymore. So you've got to be careful, too. Apologies for the doom. It just must be my state of mind. Doreen, um, as we as we come to the conclusion of this conversation. I'd love for you to tell us. Whose voices are we missing today when it comes to thinking about the future of AI? Well, I'm all about AI for good and AI for all. And we're missing a big percentage, a big chunk of that all. And so I think we need to be putting intentional efforts in connecting the unconnected, thinking about kind of the digital infrastructure fundamentals and at the same time thinking about capacity development, access to compute. Um, you know, we need to, and the whole data issue, we need to make sure that we're helping ensure that the rest of the world is at the table to be part of this conversation, but also, um, is a beneficiary and not just a consumer, but also a producer because there's so much talent out there and we need to leverage that talent so that AI is for good for all. 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