--- title: The Pentagon’s Side of the Anthropic Battle description: Read the full transcript of our conversation with Emil Michael, the Pentagon official who led negotiations with Anthropic. canonical: https://time.com/article/2026/03/11/pentagon-anthropic-battle-emil-michael/ author: Harry Booth article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2026-03-11T17:08:10.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-05-19T07:44:54.339Z article:section: Business og:title: The Pentagon’s Side of the Anthropic Battle og:description: Read the full transcript of our conversation with Emil Michael, the Pentagon official who led negotiations with Anthropic. og:url: https://time.com/article/2026/03/11/pentagon-anthropic-battle-emil-michael/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltba6cf88a99914daf/69b1a081e2697ae7fd475af5/GettyImages-2225411526.jpg?branch=production&width=2400&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 1200 og:image:height: 675 og:image:alt: GettyImages-2225411526.jpg og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: The Pentagon’s Side of the Anthropic Battle twitter:description: Read the full transcript of our conversation with Emil Michael, the Pentagon official who led negotiations with Anthropic. twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltba6cf88a99914daf/69b1a081e2697ae7fd475af5/GettyImages-2225411526.jpg?branch=production&width=2400&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 ---  # The Pentagon’s Side of the Anthropic Battle > Sponsored content. 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U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and by Emil Michael (R), Under Secretary of Defense, at the Pentagon on July 16, 2025.Win McNamee—Getty Images by [Harry Booth](https://time.com/author/harry-booth/) and [Billy Perrigo](https://time.com/author/billy-perrigo/) Mar 11, 2026 5:08 PM UTC The question of who sets the rules for AI burst into public view this month. The Department of War declared Anthropic a “supply chain risk”—an unprecedented act that for a moment looked like it might sink one of the top U.S. AI companies, and which still leaves a giant question mark hanging over its future. _The War for AI,_ TIME’s latest cover story, is a comprehensive account of how that conflagration happened. In the weeks before, we spent time inside Anthropic headquarters for a story that was originally intended to address the question of how Anthropic had risen to become—at least in the eyes of many—the frontrunner in the AI race. Then, as history transpired beneath our feet, we hit the phones, speaking with Department of Defense officials, and multiple people familiar with both sides of the negotiations, to give a detailed account of how Anthropic's commercial breakout collided head-on with government power. You can read the story [**here**](https://time.com/article/2026/03/11/anthropic-claude-disruptive-company-pentagon/). But in this newsletter, we're sharing the full transcript of our conversation with Emil Michael, who oversees AI at the Department of War and who led the negotiations with Anthropic. Anthropic says the dispute came down to two red lines the Pentagon would not accept: keeping Claude from steering autonomous weapons without a human in the loop, and preventing it from conducting mass surveillance of American citizens. But Michael tells a different story. "They turned this into a PR thing," he told TIME in a March 10 interview. “When you do that, you are a supply-chain risk.” _This interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity._ **TIME: Could you give me your best account of how and why the negotiations with Anthropic broke down?** Michael: The way this went down, from a timing standpoint, is it goes back to the [Biden-era executive order on AI](https://time.com/6996927/republicans-repeal-biden-ai-executive-order/), where an executive order was issued which required frontier AI Model companies that used a certain amount of compute to report \[to the government\] and be regulated in a certain way. That meant that, because of the burden that entailed, only a few AI companies could comply. Effectively, they were the chosen ones, because they helped write the regulations. Anthropic was one of them. So it was a favored AI company by the Biden Administration. After that Anthropic — very smartly, to their credit — sold their product and services deeply into the Department of War (Department of Defense at the time) in very sensitive areas like the combatant commands and some of the defense intelligence agencies. So they were very game to do defense-related work. So we inherited a situation when we came into office where they were very embedded into the department. I got the AI portfolio in August. So I started to take a look at what was underneath the covers there. And what I found was the contracts that were signed in the previous administration were extremely restrictive. There were 25 pages of restrictions that actually prevented — if someone were to follow them scrupulously — them from using their software for very mundane, basic Department of Defense stuff. **Tell me about renegotiating those contracts. What did you feel was Anthropic’s attitude?** We were trying to negotiate new contracts that covered broader usage across the entire Department of War, including the combatant commands, the Pentagon, the civilians and all the military departments — doing one contract to save the taxpayer money. The negotiations with every other AI lab, beginning to end, \[took\] two to three weeks. Anthropic \[took\] three months. There was a now infamous in-person meeting where we tried to explain to the Anthropic leadership why the restrictions didn't work, and we gave examples about a hypersonic missile attack on the United States that you want to take out with a space-based interceptor. And their CEO said, “Well, I'll do an exception for that. That makes sense.” Then we gave another example of a drone swarm attack on a military base at night with hundreds of drones, and you want to use AI to discriminate the targets and take them out. And he said, “Okay, I'd have to think about that one.” And then we said, if the balloon goes up — which is a metaphor for if a war or a conflict starts immediately — what would happen? We don't have time to wade through a policy for a scenario that we couldn't imagine. And he said, “just call me.” \[An Anthropic spokesperson called this characterization of the talks “patently false.” They added: “Dario didn't say this, and every iteration of our proposed contract language would enable our models to support missile defense and similar uses.”\] We've got, you know, 20 people in the room, and 14 of them will verify that. I hope there's a congressional hearing under oath one day about that. That would be awesome. It just dragged on, and they kept adding exceptions. And I said, “I can't run a 3 million person department on exceptions that I can't imagine or fathom.” And then they started to leak to the press about the negotiations, which made it much more difficult. And they picked on two things that were very strange, in my view: autonomous weapons. There's a Department of Defense directive that was written during the Biden Administration, that we had no intention to change, that governs human oversight of weaponry. And we also agreed in writing to ensure that there's human oversight on weapons. So it was very strange that they picked that as something to PR, because it sounded good; because autonomous weapons are scary. And then domestic surveillance, which I also said was very strange. We agreed to abide by the 1947 National Security Act. We agreed to abide by the FISA \[Foreign Intelligence Surveillance\] act and all other applicable laws regarding surveillance of Americans. So that wasn't good enough either. **The outcome of the negotiations was designating Anthropic a risk to national security, which seems like a big escalation. Why not just walk away from the deal? Why was the supply chain risk designation necessary?** Where you’re wrong is: you can't just walk away from a software provider that's deeply embedded in sensitive areas. You have to deal with it. So the catalyst for the escalation was when one of their executives called Palantir, who is the prime contractor — I want to make that clear, \[Anthropic\] are a subcontractor, so they are _in the supply chain_ for the Department of War — and they expressed concerns about the Maduro raid and asked whether their software was used. That's classified information — they were soliciting classified information. And that gave us very deep concern about: would they, in a future conflict, shut off their model in the middle of an operation and put lives at risk? Would there be guardrails that kicked in? Would there be model poisoning, where someone who has a political belief that's not consistent with the U.S. government's democratically elected leaders’ policy objectives, and the commander in chief’s. Would the software stop working at a moment of need? So that's what escalated the situation and that's when we gave them a week to come to terms. And without any notice, on Thursday before the Friday deadline, they bailed publicly \[when Anthropic published a [blog post](https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war) stating its red lines\], without letting us know, even though we'd come to agreement conceptually on all their issues of concern. They turned it into a PR thing. So when you do that, you are a supply chain risk. And any vendor who sells to the Department of War — like a fighter jet, if their software gets scrambled, or the model is poisoned, or some hallucination happens, or some insider threat gets into that supply chain, it can hurt the war fighter and put their lives at risk. That's why that designation was made. \[Anthropic disputes that account. The company says it has never attempted to limit Pentagon use of its technology on a case-by-case basis. It also disputes that it bailed from the talks, saying it continued negotiating in good faith until the deadline.\] **An internal** [**memo**](https://www.theinformation.com/articles/read-anthropic-ceos-memo-attacking-openais-mendacious-pentagon-announcement) **sent to staff by Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei suggested that politics played a role — that part of the reason, he suggested, was because Anthropic hadn't donated to the Trump administration. Would you comment on that?** Total fabrication. Why would I be negotiating with them for three months? If it were a political thing, I’d be like, “OK I’ll just have to figure out how to unplug you.” My job is not politics in the Department of War. My job is to defend the country and to protect our war fighters. And that's the only objective I had in mind. 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