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Courtesy of the Computer History Museum, Steve Jobs and company present the Mac to the Boston Computer Society on January 30, 1984 -- its first ever public showing._ by [Harry McCracken](https://time.com/author/harry-mccracken/) Jan 26, 2014 3:45 AM UTC Courtesy of the Computer History Museum, Steve Jobs and company present the Mac to the Boston Computer Society on January 30, 1984 -- its first ever public showing. by [Harry McCracken](https://time.com/author/harry-mccracken/) Jan 26, 2014 3:45 AM UTC It’s January, 1984\. Steve Jobs, nattily attired in a double-breasted suit, is demonstrating Apple’s breakthrough personal computer, Macintosh, before a packed room. He speaks alarmingly of a future controlled by IBM, and shows a dystopian commercial based on that theme. He says that the Mac is “insanely great” and plucks the diminutive machine from a bag; it talks for itself. Screens of a graphical user interface — something few people had seen at the time — swoop by. The theme from _Chariots of Fire_ swells. Jobs beams, as only he could. This presentation, at Apple’s annual shareholder meeting on January 24, is the stuff of tech-history legend. What’s not so well remembered: Jobs did it all twice, in less than a week. Six days after unveiling the Mac at the Flint Center on the De Anza College campus near the company’s headquarters in Cupertino, Calif., he performed his show all over again at the monthly general meeting of the [Boston Computer Society](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston%5FComputer%5FSociety). His host, Jonathan Rotenberg, was a 20-year-old student at Brown University who’d co-founded the BCS in 1977 at the age of 13. Over at YouTube, you can watch [the Cupertino presentation](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YShLWK9n2Sk), along with [a sort of a rough draft](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSiQA6KKyJo) held as part of an Apple sales meeting in Hawaii in the fall of 1983\. As for the BCS version, all 90 minutes of it are there in the video at the top of this post, available for the first time in their entirety since they were shot on January 30, 1984. The Cupertino and Boston demos may have been based in part on the same script, but the audience, atmosphere and bonus materials were different. In Cupertino, Jobs spoke before investors, towards the end of a meeting which also included dreary matters such as an analysis of Apple’s cash flow. In Boston, he presented to the kind of people who Apple hoped would buy Macs. You didn’t even have to pay the BCS’s $24 annual membership fee to get in, which meant that the meeting was the closest thing the computer had to a launch event intended for the general public.  Computer History Museum Jobs speaks at the BCS meeting People who attended the shareholder meeting saw the more historic presentation — hey, it came first — but what they got was also, in effect, a rehearsal for the later Boston one, which came out more polished. The BCS version was also longer and meatier. After the unveiling, Jobs participated in demos and a Q&A session with members of the Macintosh team: Bill Atkinson, Steve Capps, Owen Densmore, Andy Hertzfeld, Bruce Horn, Rony Sebok, Burrell Smith and Randy Wigginton. (Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak, not a Mac team member, crashed the panel and talked about the Apple II line of computers.) Even more than the shareholder meeting, the BCS one was a prototype for the media extravaganzas that we citizens of the 21st century call Stevenotes. And I would have been there, if I hadn’t blown it. Though I had been a member of the club for five years and had already been eyewitness to history at its meetings, including demos of VisiCalc (the first spreadsheet) and the Lisa (Apple’s pricey proto-Mac), I didn’t attend the Mac event. What I was doing the night that Steve Jobs came to Boston I don’t remember, but I’ve been [wincing about my misplaced priorities](http://techland.time.com/2011/10/07/the-steve-jobs-keynote-i-missed/) ever since. (I partially compensated a few years later when I attended the BCS meeting at which Jobs showed his NeXT computer; it remains the most dazzling tech demo I’ve ever witnessed in person.)  Computer History Museum Jonathan Rotenberg speaks at the BCS’s January 1984 meeting So many BCS meetings were so important that last year, I asked Jonathan — now a management consultant and executive coach — if any existed in video form. He referred me to Glenn Koenig, a Boston-area videographer who had recorded many of the proceedings. Glenn told me that he did have his vintage tapes — in storage, mostly on a now-obsolete format called U-matic. Glenn also mentioned that Dan Bricklin might have more. Bricklin, the co-inventor of VisiCalc and co-founder of the company which produced it, Software Arts, had taped some meetings himself and then sponsored Koenig’s work. Back in the day, he had the foresight to realize that BCS meetings might be of lasting interest: “Saving these was important to me,” he says. The matter slipped into the back of my mind until just recently, when I learned that my query had sparked Jonathan, Glenn and Dan to collaborate with Silicon Valley’s terrific [Computer History Museum](http://www.computerhistory.org) to digitize the videos of BCS meetings. Brad Feld, a venture capitalist who was a BCS member, gave generously to cover production costs and found others to chip in. (Bricklin has [written about the preservation project](http://danbricklin.com/log/2014%5F01%5F24.htm#bcs1984) and [recorded a podcast interview with Jonathan](http://www.peapodcast.com/danbcast/JonathanRotenbergReBCS1984-2014-01-22.mp3).) Jonathan’s team and the Computer History Museum graciously allowed the Mac meeting video to premiere here on TIME.com. (Excerpts were shown at the [Mac@30 reunion event](http://mac30th.com) — held, appropriately, at the Flint Center in Cupertino — which took place on the night of January 25, 2014.) It’ll also be available shortly on the museum’s site, with more meeting videos to come, all available for free viewing. I’m not sure what I’m most looking forward to seeing: the meetings I attended decades ago, or the ones I missed.  Courtesy Jonathan Rotenberg A shaggy Steve Wozniak (in background) and Steve Jobs at the BCS’s Applefest ’82 One thing you need to know, assuming you didn’t happen to belong to the BCS in 1984: There was nothing the least bit odd about Steve Jobs showing up in Boston to court the members of a computer club run by a college student. At the time, Jonathan was a noted industry educator/impresario, and it was pretty much a given that the East Coast premiere of any major new machine would happen before the BCS, which had thousands of members and dozens of special-interest groups. Apple was well acquainted with the organization, having shown off multiple earlier models at its meetings; both Jobs and Wozniak had attended Applefest, a BCS-produced shindig for Apple II users, in 1982. In November of 1983, Apple flew Jonathan to its Cupertino campus, where he got a briefing on the Macintosh and began work on a 16-page review of the computer for the BCS’s slick bimonthly magazine. Plans began for the Mac meeting, to be held at New England Life Hall, the site of the BCS’s general meetings. And then they almost fell apart. The Flint Center’s 2,600-person seating capacity turned out to be far too small for the crowd that showed up on January 24\. “More than a thousand shareholders were not able to get in, and weren’t able to participate in shareholder voting and discussion,” Jonathan says. “They were really angry about that.” The PR crisis was so severe that the video of the meeting the company produced at the time opens with an abject apology by CEO John Sculley. Jobs — as you already know if you know anything at all about Steve Jobs — was apoplectic over the botched crowd control. “The next day,” Jonathan says, “Steve Jobs said ‘We’re canceling Boston. We don’t want a repeat of all those people waiting outside and not being able to get in.’ This was now five days before the event.” Miraculously, the BCS was able to secure a more spacious venue for the night of the meeting: John Hancock Hall. It had a room in which any overflow crowd could watch a video feed, and space for banks of Macs for hands-on demos. “After very, very tense negotiations, Steve finally relented and agreed to come to Boston,” Jonathan remembers. “Ironically, his worst fear came true: There were more than 600 BCS members stuck outside who couldn’t get in. But at least they weren’t Apple shareholders.”  Computer History Museum Steve Jobs removes the Mac from its case at the BCS meeting Fortunately for posterity, the production values on the video version of the meeting are quite good — far better than what Apple managed for the shareholder meeting. (In Cupertino, the lighting had been so murky at times that the only thing you can see clearly is Jobs’ white shirt gleaming from inside his jacket.) Apple sprung for multiple cameras, one of which was manned by the BCS’s Koenig. Moments with subpar camera work in the Cupertino video, such as when Jobs pulls the Mac out of its bag and boots it up, are nicely shot in this one. As presented here, the video — which is a rough cut of the version that the Computer History Museum will preserve — has a few moments that have been reconstructed. The slides Jobs shows are the same ones he presented in Boston, but they’re borrowed from the video of the Cupertino event. And when Jobs shows a blurry slide of the IBM PC — provoking mirth from the audience and prompting him to say “Let’s be fair” — the blurring is a recreation of what really happened. (To this day, Rotenberg isn’t sure whether it was a prank on Apple’s part or a bona-fide technical glitch.) “It’s so much more intimate,” Rotenberg says of the Boston version of the presentation. “It’s about the users, which is what you don’t get at the shareholder meeting.” “This one was Steve really selling,” says Bricklin, who has shown clips of the presentation in talks to students for years, in the only instances of it being seen in public since it was recorded. “This is the Steve that we’ve now known for many years announcing other products. This is that Steve, giving the talk he’s given so many times that he knows it cold. It really makes a difference.” “You get to see Steve when Steve became _the_ Steve Jobs. Seeing him smiling up there is the way a lot of us would like to remember him.” Though the first portion of the BCS video follows the same script as the Cupertino event, Jobs keeps going after first version concluded — and what he says is some of the most classic Jobs I’ve ever seen. Adopting a simile he later used in a 1985 [_Playboy_](http://longform.org/stories/playboy-interview-steve-jobs) interview, he compares text-oriented computers such as the IBM PC to telegraph machines, and the Mac to the telephone: --- > “” --- What Jobs said reminds us that the Mac’s competition was less other computers of the time than it was no computer at all. It’s a hyper-dramatic, self-serving way to look at how the Mac compared to everything else available in January of 1984\. But hindsight — and the fact that every other PC maker ended up following the Mac’s lead — confirms that he was right. The audience is enthusiastic during Jobs’ splashy presentation, but it’s far more giddy during the live demos of Mac apps that follow. That didn’t surprise me: BCS members prided themselves on being discerning, demanding consumers, not gearheads or fanboys. Real software impressed them more than mere hoopla, and programs such as MacPaint and MacWrite were knockouts. When Atkinson pastes a sphere in MacPaint multiple times, there’s sustained applause — yes, cutting and pasting was impressive at the time — and he breaks out in a grin that’s a joy to behold. “It was wonderful that he actually brought the team to share and bask in the glory — they weren’t there for the shareholders’ \[meeting\],” says Bricklin, who doesn’t see much difference between the flavor of their camaraderie and collaboration and what goes on today at a company such as Google or Facebook.  Computer History Museum Bill Atkinson, Steve Jobs and Bruce Horn during the Q&A session The questions from the audience neatly capture the most pressing questions that the computer users of 1984 had about Apple’s new machine. They ask about plans for more memory and disk expansion; how MacWrite compares to the era’s dominant word processor, WordStar; what programming tools will be available; what’s next for Apple’s best-selling computer of the time, the Apple IIe. Someone even asks about the fate of the already-moribund Apple III. (Jobs: “I wouldn’t have called on you if I’d known that was your question.”) Then there’s the audience member who asks if the Mac can do animation. Jobs — in this pre-Pixar era — seems slightly taken aback by the subject, and hands the inquiry over to Andy Hertzfeld. As Jobs answers other questions, he neatly ticks off most of the developments that kept Apple busy until the early 1990s. He talks about hard disks (then often called “Winchesters”), laser printers, color graphics and even the portable computers (“a Mac in a book”) the company will someday build. Today’s Apple may be famously close-mouthed about unreleased products, but back then, it had to assure skeptical buyers that its just-born platform had a future.  Computer History Museum MacPaint, as demoed by its creator, Bill Atkinson After the panel discussion, Jobs thanks the audience and pays tribute to the team. (“When you use a Macintosh, these are the people that did it. And they’re sort of hiding out in that ROM.”) In the video, you can see some attendees heading for the exits as the lights come up. It wasn’t supposed to be that way. Jobs was supposed to introduce Jonathan, who, in the BCS meetings’ standard format, would normally have introduced Jobs but had agreed to flip the order. “I was pretty miffed,” says Jonathan. As he arrives onstage in the video, he makes a snarky reference to Big Brother controlling the audio-visual system, riffing on the “1984” commercial. Don’t make the same mistake as those 1984 audience members and tune out after Jobs finishes. Jonathan’s concluding remarks include mention of “insanely great” upcoming BCS meetings, including one featuring IBM’s famously bad PC Jr. — which, as you can tell from the snorts from the audience, was already a punchline — and another in which Atari cofounder [Nolan Bushnell](http://techland.time.com/2012/06/27/atari-at-40-catching-up-with-founder-nolan-bushnell/) will demonstrate his new startup’s robots. He also announces that the BCS is starting what may be the world’s first Mac user group. It’s an evocative little snapshot of where technology was in early 1984, and you get to see enough of Jonathan at work to get a sense of why he was both respected and beloved by BCS members in particular and the industry in general. Keep watching even after Jonathan wraps up. The very end of the video includes footage of attendees trying out Macs for themselves, plus snippets of them grilling Wozniak, Sebok, Hertzfeld and Capps with even more questions.  Courtesy Jonathan Rotenberg Jonathan Rotenberg today What are Rotenberg’s thoughts upon seeing Jobs, and himself, at the event after 30 years? He says it leaves him nostalgic for the era when personal computers were new. The BCS played an important role in demystifying them, and anything and everything seemed possible. “It’s a time of life I feel a tremendous connection and affection for,” he says. “I think of what people talk about with the 60s or the Camelot era with JFK. It was an amazing time to be alive, and to be part of something. But there’s also a sadness that it’s gone.” (The BCS itself disbanded in 1996, at least in part because computers no longer required as much demystification as they once needed; I was dismayed to hear the news even though I’d let my own membership lapse.) In September of 1985, Jobs was forced out of Apple. Jonathan went on to graduate from Brown, dial back his role in managing the BCS and enter Harvard Business School. The high of the Mac’s debut felt like part of the distant past. “All of these cottage industries got consolidated or run over by the next generation of companies, like Dell,” Jonathan says, still sounding pained by the memory. “By the time I got to business school, Steve Jobs had become a model of inept business management. In ‘Introduction to Marketing,’ on the very first day, the example of how to do everything wrong was the Macintosh. It was held out as making a product based on some dreamy-eyed guy’s personal whims, with no relation to what the market or customers want.” “That kind of thinking became vilified as the cause of why so many smaller companies had crashed in the technology world, and why you wanted big, capable companies like Digital Equipment and IBM and Xerox to lead the way. Everything that Steve Jobs had done that resonated so personally with me was like this disease that had to be destroyed.”  Harry McCracken / TIME Members of the team that created the Mac — including several who participated in the 1984 BCS meeting — reunite onstage during the Mac@30 event at the Flint Center in Cupertino, Calif. on January 25, 2014 It was pretty depressing. But we now know that it wasn’t the end of the story. In 1996, Jobs sold NeXT to Apple and began his second act at Apple. In the years that followed, Apple once again took on the clunky telegraph machines other companies manufactured with elegant, approachable telephones. (With the arrival of the iPhone in 2007, the part about the company’s products being telephones stopped being a metaphor.) And when Jobs was studied in business schools, it wasn’t for being a dreamy-eyed failure. “As he got his momentum going, what was so powerful to me was just observing how we’d had a period of eleven years when Steve Jobs was in exile and we could see what was happening to the PC in that time,” says Rotenberg. After Jobs returned, “what he made possible left no doubt in my mind that a single person really could change the world.” ## Transcript [00:00] Good [00:56] evening. I'm Steve Jobs from Apple Computer. We're [01:00] very glad to be here tonight. It [01:06] is 1958, IBM [01:11] passes up the chance to buy a young, fledgling [01:13] company that has just invented a new technology [01:16] called Xerography. Two years later, Xerox is born, and [01:20] IBM has been kicking themselves ever since. It is [01:24] 10 years later, the late 60s. Digital [01:30] Equipment Corporation and others invent the [01:32] mini- computer. IBM dismisses the mini computer as [01:34] too small to do serious computing, and therefore [01:37] unimportant to their business. DEC grows to be a [01:40] multi- hundred million dollar corporation before IBM [01:42] finally enters the mini- computer market. It is now [01:47] 10 years later, the late seventies. In [01:52] 1977, a young, fledgling company, on the West Coast, [01:55] invents the Apple II, the first personal computer as we [01:58] know it today. IBM dismisses the personal computer as [02:01] too small to do serious computing, and therefore [02:03] unimportant to their business. The early [02:08] 1980s. 1981, Apple [02:13] II has become the world's most popular computer, and [02:15] Apple has grown to a 300 million dollar corporation, [02:17] becoming the fastest growing company in American [02:20] business history. With over 50 competitors vying for a [02:23] share, IBM enters the personal computer market in [02:25] November of 1981, with the IBM PC. 1983, [02:35] Apple and IBM emerge as the industry's strongest [02:37] competitors, each selling approximately $ 1 billion [02:40] worth of personal computers in 1983. Each will invest [02:43] greater than $ 50 million for research and [02:45] development and another $ 50 million for television [02:48] advertising alone in 1984, totalling almost 1 quarter of [02:52] a billion dollars combined. The shakeout is in full [02:55] swing. The first major firm goes bankrupt, with others [02:57] teetering on the brink. Total industry losses for 1983 [03:01] out shadow even the combined profits of Apple and [03:03] IBM for personal computers. It is now [03:08] 1984. It appears that [03:12] IBM wants it all. Apple is perceived to be the only [03:16] hope to offer IBM a run for its money. Dealers, initially [03:20] welcoming IBM with open arms, now fear an IBM [03:23] dominated and controlled future. They are increasingly [03:26] turning back to Apple as the only force that can ensure [03:29] their future freedom. IBM-- IBM [03:35] wants it all, and is aiming its guns on its last obstacle [03:39] to industry control, Apple. [03:42] Will Big Blue dominate the entire computer industry? [03:46] The entire information age? Was George Orwell right? [03:49] >>Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary [03:53] of the Information Purification Directives. We have [03:57] created, for the first time in all history, [04:02] a garden of pure ideology- where each worker may [04:06] bloom, secure from the pests purveying contradictory [04:10] truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful [04:15] a weapon than any fleet or army on [04:19] earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, [04:20] one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death, [04:21] and we will bury them with [04:26] their own confusion. We shall prevail! [04:40] >>On January 24th, Apple Computer will introduce [04:43] Macintosh. And you'll see why 1984 won't [04:47] be like " 1984 ." There [05:04] have only been two milestone products in our industry [05:08] to date. The first was Night Apple II in 1977; the [05:13] second was the IBM PC in 1981. Come [05:18] on, [05:22] let's be fair. What [05:26] we [05:29] need [05:33] now is the third industry milestone product and that's [05:37] what Macintosh is all about. We've been working [05:41] on this thing for over two years now and those of us [05:44] that had been really close to it will all tell you it is [05:46] insanely great and you'll have a chance to see a little [05:49] bit more of it later on tonight and we're introducing at [05:53] a mainstream price point as most of you know a [05:55] $ 2495. And what I wanna do is run through some [06:00] of the key milestones and key features of Mcintosh [06:03] very briefly just in case you haven't heard all about [06:05] them and then we'll get into some interesting stuff [06:06] here. The first thing is the Macintosh uses Lisa. It's [06:11] got the identical user interface of Lisa with its radical [06:14] ease- of- use, its mice, windows, pull- down menus, [06:17] point, click, cut and paste. And to accomplish this, we [06:20] use exactly the same microprocessor as Lisa, 68000 [06:24] running at 8 megahertz and this thing eats 8088s for [06:28] breakfast. Macintosh has about 192K [06:32] bytes of memory, 64K of it is ROM, 128K of it is RAM. [06:37] And inside the 64K bytes of ROM is contained the [06:40] entire operating system, the entire graphics foundation [06:43] and subsystem and the entire user interface, all the [06:46] windowing stuff, the menu stuff, the mouse stuff all in [06:48] ROM. Just like the 5- 1 / 4- inch [06:52] disc was a breakthrough in the 70s. We think the [06:55] 3. 5- inch disc is a breakthrough in the 80s, and we're [06:58] storing 400K bytes of formatted information on one [07:01] side of this floppies, which fit inside your shirt pocket. [07:07] Macintosh has two built- in serial ports. These ports [07:11] are RS232 and RS422. They go up to a megabit per [07:14] second and they also support a local interconnect [07:17] scheme called Apple bus, which allows you to connect [07:19] at the 32 of these products together and virtually no [07:23] additional cost. Macintosh has [07:27] 4 voice sound and speech built- in. And [07:32] it talks to you on an extremely high- definition, [07:36] super- crisp, bitmap, 9- inch black and white screen. [07:38] It's really incredible as many of you might have had a [07:40] chance to see it the hands- on. We have one last [07:42] hands- on. It's 9 o'clock tonight. This screen has over [07:45] twice the dots of the IBM PC or Apple II on its screen. [07:49] Very high definition. And all of this power fits into a [07:52] box one- third the size and weight of the IBM PC. It's a [07:56] truly transportable product. And in addition to that, [07:59] there's a little family stuff that goes along with it: image [08:01] writer printers, external disc drives, modems, carrying [08:04] cases, and a sort of security kit so your Macintosh [08:07] doesn't go anywhere without you. Now, you've [08:11] seen some pictures of Macintosh in the slides, but what [08:14] I'd like to do now is show you the Macintosh in person. [08:17] And all of the images that you will be seeing will [08:22] be generated by what's in that bag right there. Now, [10:49] we've been doing enough and a lot of talking about [10:52] Macintosh lately as well, but tonight really for [10:56] the second time ever we'd like to let Macintosh speak [11:00] for itself. [11:00] >>Hello, [11:03] I [11:05] am Macintosh. It sure is great to get out of [11:09] that bag! [11:14] Unaccustomed as I am to public speaking, I'd like to [11:18] share with you a maxim I thought of the first time I met [11:20] an IBM mainframe: Never trust a computer you can't [11:23] lift! Obviously, I can talk, but right [11:28] now I'd like to sit back and listen. So [11:32] it is with considerable pride that I introduce a man who [11:36] has been like a father to me-- Steve Jobs! [11:51] >>Macintosh is targeted at two primary markets, and [11:55] the first are those 25 million knowledge workers that [11:58] sit behind desks, particularly in medium and small size [12:01] offices; and the second is really the college [12:05] worker. The people in colleges that we think are gonna [12:08] be the knowledge workers of tomorrow and there are [12:10] greater than 11 million college students in American [12:12] alone. Now, the telephone-- we look at the telephone [12:16] and we're really impressed with the telephone because [12:18] it was the first and really the only desk appliance. To [12:22] be a desk appliance, you have to do something really [12:24] useful and you have to be really easy to use so people [12:27] don't have to spend a lot of time learning how to use [12:29] this thing and you have to be really cheap. And we [12:32] don't think there's been a desk appliance since the [12:33] telephone. And what we wanna do is make Macintosh [12:38] the second desk appliance. Now, [12:42] there are about 235 people in America, but only a [12:46] fraction of them can use a computer. And the message [12:49] that we have with Macintosh is there is a computer for [12:52] the rest of us and we're gonna launch the largest [12:55] advertising campaign in our history ever. Let's [12:58] communicate this message to those knowledge [13:00] workers and college workers and is gonna kick off on [13:02] the Olympics on February 6th. And I'd like to show you [13:05] five of those advertisements right now. [13:12] >>It's more sophisticated, yet less complicated. It's [13:17] more powerful, yet less cumbersome. It can store [13:21] vast amounts of yesterday or tell you what's in store [13:25] for tomorrow. It can draw a picture or it can [13:29] draw conclusions. It's a personal computer from Apple, [13:33] and it's as easy to use as this Macintosh, [13:37] the computer for the rest of us. [13:45] >>Introducing Macintosh. It does all the things you'd [13:48] expect to personal computer to do. It does a lot of [13:52] things you wouldn't expect to personal computer to do [13:56] and it does some things no other computer has ever [13:59] done before. Of course, to do all of this, you will have [14:02] to learn to do this. Macintosh, the computer [14:07] for the rest of us. [14:16] >>The real genius of Macintosh, Apple's newest [14:20] personal computer, isn't it 32- bit microprocessor, [14:25] or that it captures the power of a main frame on a [14:27] board 10 x 10 inches, or even that it cost half as much [14:32] as computer's half as powerful. The real genius [14:36] of Macintosh is that you don't have to be a genius to [14:40] use it. Macintosh, the computer for the rest of [14:44] us. [14:48] >>You're about to see a few people learn to use the [14:51] newest, most advanced business computer in the [14:54] world. If [14:57] you [15:00] know [15:02] how [15:05] to [15:08] point, [15:10] you already know ho to use it. Macintosh, the computer [15:14] for the rest of us. [15:20] >>This is Macintosh from Apple, also a highly [15:21] sophisticated office computer. And [15:35] to use it, all you have to do is learn this. [15:40] Now, you decide which one is more sophisticated. [15:43] Macintosh, the computer [15:48] for the rest [15:53] of us. [15:56] >>So, if you watch the Winter Olympics, you'll be [15:58] seeing those about two to three times a night. Now, [16:06] you know that over 70 % of all the computers used in [16:09] education are Apple's and that makes us feel really [16:12] good 'cause we care a lot about that and it's a great [16:15] leverage point for the Apple too as well. And most of [16:18] them are, of course, in kindergarten through 12th [16:19] grades 'cause that's where most of the schools are in [16:21] those schools bought computers faster than the [16:23] colleges. But a year ago, we went in search of about [16:26] half a dozen colleges and universities throughout [16:29] America they will be using a large number of personal [16:31] computers in 1984 and large meant greater than a [16:34] thousands. And we didn't find half a dozen, we found [16:37] 24 major colleges and universities. And we announced [16:41] this last Tuesday, the Apple University Consortium, [16:44] which is formed of those 24 colleges and universities, [16:48] all the seven Ivy League Schools are part of this. They [16:51] have placed over $ 50 million worth of orders today [16:55] for Macintoshes. And they're going to be doing [16:58] courseware development leading the way really for [17:00] over the other-- over 3000 schools in this country and [17:04] they're telling us that Macintosh is the ideal college [17:06] computer. So, we think you're gonna see lots of [17:08] Macintoshes in college campuses and here's a list of [17:11] them: Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth, [17:14] Brown, on and on. And you're gonna be seeing a [17:18] lot of Macintoshes in campuses. Now, [17:22] when we designed the Apple II, we designed it in a [17:25] garage, but what most people don't know is we [17:27] designed it to be built in a garage. And we figure if we [17:30] ever made 50 of them in a month, we'd be doing well. [17:34] And we surpassed that goal this last December by [17:37] over 2, 000. We shipped over a hundred thousand [17:39] Apple II in December. But what we wanted to do with [17:43] Macintosh was make it the first personal computer that [17:45] was designed from the start to be built in the millions. [17:48] There's never been a personal computer that you [17:50] could say this about. And let me show you how a [17:53] Macintosh is built. We start off with a front bezel. This [17:56] is the most highly tooled piece of plastic that we've [17:59] ever done and we lay it facedown. We attach a [18:01] stamped metal frame to it and we attach the cathode [18:04] ray tube. And then we add the one analog board, [18:07] which has the entire high- definition video electronics [18:10] and the entire lightweight switching power supply hat [18:11] we pioneered with the two. And then, we add the [18:15] 3. 5- inch disc drive and a shield surrounding that [18:18] drive. And then, we add the one board containing the [18:21] entire 32- bit graphics processing digital computer. [18:25] It's less than 10 inches square and we attach the [18:28] cables. And with four screws, we put on the rear case, [18:31] and the Macintosh is tilted up for the first time and [18:34] ready to go into an automated burn- in, after the [18:36] burn- in and the keyboard and the mouse are added, [18:39] and our challenge is to do this once every 27 seconds. [18:44] Now, in order to do this, we designed [18:49] Macintosh every step of the way from [18:52] manufacturability. But in addition to that, in addition to [18:55] just designing the machine, in the last year and a half, [18:57] we've designed and built the machine to build the [19:00] machines. We spent over $ 20 million on the computer [19:03] industry's first automated factor. It's in Fremont, [19:06] California and overlooks Ford and GM. And-- [19:12] just to give you some feeling for the factory, it's based [19:14] on two simple concepts just in- time delivery, of [19:18] zero- defect parts, and it's a process which allows [19:21] extremely high- volume production of extremely [19:24] high- quality computers. These are just some factory [19:27] shots that we hold out. We are currently making over [19:31] 500 Macintoshes a day in this factory and we will [19:35] be ramping up to one every 27 seconds within the [19:37] next few months. Now, Macintosh [19:42] was developed by a small team of people, less than [19:45] 100 and you're gonna have a chance to meet and ask [19:47] several of them some questions tonight. And this [19:51] group of people, they're more like artists than they are [19:54] engineers. They're not really interested in careers. [19:57] What they're interested in is doing something insanely [19:59] great and then getting it out into the world to leverage [20:02] their energy, and they were able to leverage the [20:04] resources of a billion- dollar company in developing [20:08] Macintosh. And I have never in my life had the privilege [20:11] of working with such a fine, fine group of people. And [20:16] we think, you know, Macintosh has changed our lives [20:19] working with it over the last few years. And we think [20:21] it's gonna change the lives of millions of people who [20:23] buy them. And we made a slide show, mostly for [20:26] ourselves I suppose, to sort of capture the spirit of this [20:30] crazy group of people and I'd like to show it now and [20:33] you get some idea of what I'm talking about. [20:55] >>We started in a very tight and small group and we [20:59] had this dream. It was sort of us against the rest of the [21:02] world. But we started working on it with us five, six, [21:04] seven people believed in the dream and eventually it [21:08] sort of grew. The machine is based on [21:12] the Motorola 68000 microchip. [21:15] >>When we started working on Macintosh, we really [21:18] wanted to get a unique synergy. [21:20] >>First day, there's 128K bytes dynamic RAM or [21:24] 64K bytes of ROM. [21:26] >>We don't compromise. Do it right. Do it really [21:31] good the way you would want it and then figure out [21:32] how to make it cheap so people can [21:37] afford it. [21:38] >>The display is a bitmap display. It has 512 [21:42] x 342 dots and we allow the machine so much that [21:47] everybody was interested in the whole picture. [21:49] >>There [21:52] is an interface for an external disc drive already built [21:56] in to Macintosh. [21:57] >>What I've particularly enjoyed about working with [22:00] the people in the Macintosh project is the spirit of [22:02] cooperation between the groups and individuals. [22:05] >>There's an engraving that's on the inside of the [22:07] back cover of the Macintosh case that has everyone [22:12] signature that worked on the original design. [22:16] >>We looked at every detail, every small thing. Will [22:19] this work in France? Will it work in Japan? When you're [22:22] working on something as wonderful as Macintosh, you [22:24] wanna bring it out to the whole world. [22:26] >>When it will come out, it will be I think several years [22:28] ahead of its time. It is the best possible thing that [22:31] could be done today. [22:49] >>You know, when people asked us who is Macintosh [22:50] for, we like to say that the market for Mac is the desk. [22:54] Over the last few years, we sold between three [22:56] quarters of a million and a million Apple IIs, and that [22:59] seems like a really large that even bigger number is [23:02] 25 million and that's a number of knowledge workers [23:05] in the United States alone who were sitting behind desk [23:08] everyday doing their work and the way they do their [23:10] work really hasn't changed since probably the start of [23:12] the industrial revolution. So, our marketing goal is [23:15] really very simple is to create a product that will [23:18] improve the life at the desk, to appeal to these vast [23:22] group of people who know very little about computers [23:25] at all. First of all, the Macintosh will have to be a very, [23:29] very powerful computer because it has to handle lots [23:32] of information processing problems for the knowledge [23:34] workers, so the brains of the computer is the Motorola [23:38] 68000, a [23:40] 32- bit microprocessor. Our second concern has [23:44] to do with ease of learning and ease of use. We'd [23:47] taken the mystery out of computers and learn how to [23:50] use a Macintosh. Our third concern is with the actual [23:53] physical package, the thing you touch and hold. We [23:56] want Macintosh to be the first desk appliance that sits [23:59] with you at your desk in your office place. And last [24:03] of all, we know we have to provide lots of very real [24:07] solutions to those people at the desk, so we've come [24:10] up with a wide variety of very good software [24:13] applications like word processing, spreadsheets, [24:16] databases, accounting packages, and because we're [24:18] Apple, we'll be sure to toss in a few great games so [24:21] you can have fun when the boss is not around. And in [24:25] the years to come, we expect literally hundreds of new [24:28] Macintosh applications to come from all the leading [24:31] software houses all around the world. You know for us [24:34] in the Macintosh group, the product is like this-- is like [24:36] this torch being carried into a pitch- black room. We [24:39] would like to say that it's simply incredibly, insanely [24:43] great. Here, let me show you what I mean. [24:53] >>It's like the cursor is not connected to the mouse [24:55] anymore. It's connected to your hand and you're just [24:58] moving your hand around pointing with your finger. [25:00] The user doesn't have to get mocked up in the [25:03] mechanics of how they want to do, what they have to [25:06] do, it can just go and do it and make it look neat and [25:08] wonderful. [25:12] >>When you turn on Mac, what appears before you is [25:15] a crisp, black and white picture with a little bar across [25:19] the top with words that suggest things you might be [25:22] able to do. [25:22] >>When you find the [25:26] command that you want to execute is simply let up on [25:30] the button of the mouse and that command will be [25:32] executed. [25:34] >>A great number of the things that you see little [25:38] pictures called icon symbols that actually [25:42] allow a user to perform an operation that the symbol [25:46] represents. [25:53] >>One of the starting points of Mac software's Bill [25:56] Atkinson's amazing QuickDraw graphics package. [25:59] That's the heart and soul with not only Macintosh, but [26:02] Lisa. The [26:07] reason we have multiple fans is because the world has [26:10] multiple fans. We emulate the real world by providing [26:14] a variety of type styles just like you've seen any [26:19] well- typed set manual or book. [26:25] >>We built a machine that would be fun for us to use [26:28] and fun does interest me in playing games. Fun means [26:31] using a word processor, using a spreadsheet can be [26:33] fun too. [26:33] >>Part of what we really want [26:49] to do is re- create the Apple II phenomenon. There [26:53] are several thousand extremely bright and talented [26:56] software developers doing software for the Apple II [26:59] and has incredible competitive advantage. [27:06] >>In the software business, volume is everything. You [27:09] wanna be able to sell into-- onto a large set of [27:11] machines. Microsoft is choosing this Apple Macintosh [27:16] environment because over time the other environment [27:18] won't be interesting. [27:22] >>The technology that's in Macintosh makes it [27:25] possible for us to move the state- of- the- art ahead [27:28] in software. We can really do something that's of value [27:32] to people, to lots and lots of people and we simply [27:35] couldn't do before and that what's exciting and that's [27:37] why we're in business. [27:38] >>So, we now developed at least half of [27:42] our R & D resources developing software specifically [27:47] for the Macintosh. And I wouldn't do that unless I really [27:50] believed in one of the product, and secondly, that we [27:53] had a chance to have an outstanding [28:06] relationship with Apple. The [28:14] manufacturing philosophy behind Macintosh started [28:17] out as being able to find a way to make it truly high [28:19] quality, low cost personal computer and that way is [28:23] focusing on a quality improvement process. This [28:27] improvement process has two key ingredients. And [28:30] first being quality being defined as conformist to [28:33] requirements, and the second thing is the performance [28:36] standard that focuses on zero defects. [28:39] >>So, we've designed this whole process, the whole [28:41] factory and at the same time as the product and with [28:44] the product. And we're gonna be making a computer [28:48] every 27 seconds. That's a thousand computers in an [28:51] 8- hour shift. And the way we're gonna accomplish this [28:54] high volume is to our working relationships with our [28:56] vendors and these relationships will focus on delivering [28:59] us 100 % quality [29:09] parts. [29:19] >>What we're all excited about is that we know Mac is [29:21] sort of the next big revolution in the kind of tool that [29:24] we can give to every person. When you think about it, [29:26] you know, over three quarters of a million people-- [29:30] well over a million people by the time Mac is [29:32] introduced, we'll have gone through the less than [29:36] fun experience of having to learn at least [29:40] 50 bizarre words and we'll have had to have [29:43] remembered dozens of sequences of esoteric [29:47] commands and I think once a tool like Mac kits, which [29:51] eliminates the need for that, then you're going to see [29:54] the numbers jumped from really hundreds of [29:57] thousands to millions to ten of millions. And that's what [30:01] this next revolution is all about. [30:02] >>Maybe [30:17] that [30:32] will [30:47] give you some sort of an idea of what went on in two [30:51] years to make this thing. Macintosh, as [30:55] you know, was probably one of worst kept secrets in [30:58] the world. But [31:00] one of the best kept secrets was that we didn't just [31:03] introduce one stand- alone product again. We [31:06] introduced the family of four new 32- bit products this [31:09] week. And we introduced Lisa a year ago, and it [31:12] clearly captured the imagination and set the technical [31:16] direction of the industry. It didn't capture as many [31:18] discs as we wanted to, but it's clear that everyone's [31:22] running in a direction of mice and windows and icons [31:24] and you've seen Visi On and you're seeing sort of the [31:27] early part of MS Windows, and even a rumored IBM [31:30] windowing package. But what we introduced in [31:33] addition to Macintosh were three new Lisas. And the [31:36] first one was Lisa 2. It has a half megabyte of [31:40] RAM and a 3. 5- inch disc totally compatible with [31:43] Macintosh and we introduced it at $ 3, 495, just [31:46] $ 1000 more than the Macintosh. The second Lisa is [31:50] Lisa 2 / 5. It added a 5- megabyte profile Winchester [31:53] disc drive and that was only $ 1000 more again, [31:57] $ 4, 495. The third new Lisa was Lisa 2 / 10. It's [32:02] got a built- in 10- megabyte Winchester disc drive [32:05] right above the floppy there, and it's $ 5, 495. Now, [32:10] all the Lisas, we switched over to use a 3. 5- inch [32:13] floppy disc drive. We feel so strongly that it's a drive at [32:16] the 80s and it's totally compatible with Mac and we're [32:19] doing something for all the existing Lisa 1 owners. We [32:23] are upgrading their Lisa 1 to a Lisa 2 / 5. That means [32:27] changing the 3. 5- inch disc drive. They're changing a [32:30] 5- 1 / 4 for 3- 1 / 2 and giving them a new front [32:33] bezel and some new software and that upgrades [32:35] entirely free for all existing owners. So [32:43] as we move forward, with the second innovation of this [32:46] technology, we absolutely don't wanna penalize those [32:48] pioneers and so we're just pulling them right along [32:51] with us at no additional cost. But the other neat thing [32:54] about all the three new Lisas and all the Lisa 1s is that [32:58] they are 100 % Macintosh software compatible. We [33:02] pulled it off. And together these four [33:06] workstations are the foundation of what we're calling [33:08] the Apple 32 supermicros. It's a family of compatible [33:11] products based on Lisa technology and 32- bit [33:13] architecture. And if you look at the four workstations, [33:16] they now span a pretty wide range of price and [33:19] performance all the way from the key building block, [33:20] which is Macintosh at $ 2, 495. These are the flagship [33:23] in performance, which is Lisa 2 / 10 at $ 5, 495. Now, [33:27] let me tell you a few other things in addition to [33:29] workstations, which are going to form the basis of the [33:33] supermicros family. The firs thing is Apple bus. Now, [33:37] as you all know, local area networks-- the whole area [33:41] of local area networking is a joke right now. Ethernet [33:44] never really took off. IBM has been promising the world [33:47] of local area network now for two years and hasn't [33:49] announced anything. And the last thing the world [33:52] needs is another local area network. So, what we're [33:55] going to do is simply wait until those standards [33:57] emerged and connected those standards. But while [34:00] those standards are emerging, people still wanna hook [34:02] things together, yet they don't wanna pay a thousand [34:04] dollars per computer to hook them on to some sort of [34:06] network. And so what we've done is we have built in [34:09] Apple bus to every single Lisa 1, Lisa 2, and [34:13] Macintosh. It's built in. It operates at 230 kilobits per [34:16] second and operates up to a thousand meters-- [34:18] excuse me, a thousand feet. And for about $ 25 [34:23] per computer retail, you'll be able to buy a little box [34:25] and screws on the back that simply has little [34:27] transformer and a few connectors in it and hook up to [34:29] 32 Macintoshes, Lisas, and peripherals together for [34:33] virtually free. And we think that this will be a really [34:36] good idea for the next 24 months until the networking [34:38] really shakes out, sort of think of it is free net. The [34:44] next thing that we need to do is we need to print out [34:47] these amazing graphics that we can create and we [34:49] have an-- the image writer printer, which we think is a [34:51] pretty much of a breakthrough in terms of the price to [34:53] do this. It sells for $ 595. And when you buy with a [34:57] Macintosh, it's $ 495. But something [35:01] we're really excited about is high- resolution dot [35:05] printing and before the end of 1984, we will introduce [35:09] a breakthrough in laser xerographic printing for under [35:12] $ 5000 and we're working very hard on that and I [35:16] think when you see the results, you'll be really happy. [35:21] Next thing that we need is we need to talk to these big [35:23] blue mainframes. And to do that, we've got a little box [35:27] called the Apple line box for about $ 1000. It's [35:29] available now and it hooks up to any Macintosh release [35:32] in talks full 3278 datacom with any IBM mainframe [35:36] does it as well are better than an IBM PC. This [35:41] fall, you'll see small file servers in the 10- to [35:45] 20- megabyte class that hooked up to Apple bus with [35:48] shared Winchester that you can share among a bunch [35:49] of Macintoshes and Lisas. It would very, very [35:52] inexpensive. And then something that will hope [35:56] to get out late this year or early next year is a UNIX [35:59] server. Really UNIX is a pretty lousy operating system [36:03] that put inside a workstation. It's old technology and [36:05] it's really big and they need a Winchester, so you can [36:07] never make the workstations cheap. But we think it's a [36:09] great operating system when you're in a multiuser [36:11] environment. And what we're going to be doing is [36:14] coming out with a server, which is a large disc, a very [36:17] fast CPU that hangs on the network that allows you to [36:20] run UNIX in vertical applications on top of it and use [36:22] the Macintoshes and Lisas as really sort of new wave [36:25] terminals into that software. Now, we [36:30] thought long and hard about whether we should come [36:32] out with an IBM PC compatible and we do a lot of [36:36] market research. We have a pretty good brand out [36:38] there in the marketplace and we could have sold a lot [36:39] of them. But that's not all we wanted to do. What we [36:43] wanna do is we want to establish a second standard in [36:47] the office based on radical ease of use and the kind of [36:51] power that these workstations are able to provide. But [36:55] we know that if we're gonna do that, we need to build [36:57] bridges to the IBM world. We think there's three major [37:01] bridges that we have to build. The first one and most [37:03] importantly is for all the great software that runs in the [37:06] IBM products, we've got to have better versions [37:10] running on our Apple 32 workstations and I think by [37:13] the summer or early fall, we would have accomplished [37:15] that goal. The second is local area network support. [37:18] We expect IBM to introduce one or two local area [37:21] networks in the April, May, June timeframe and we will [37:24] connect to the most prevalent to those networks. And [37:27] the third is the 3278 data communications which we're [37:31] doing now. So, we think if we build these three bridges [37:33] to the IMB network that we can continue to sell better [37:36] computers. Now, if [37:42] you go back about a hundred years to the 1880s, [37:46] there were approximately 20, 000 to 25, 000 train [37:49] telegraph operators in the United States and you really [37:52] could send a telegram between Boston and San [37:54] Francisco when you take about three or four hours and [37:55] go through the railway stations and it really worked. [37:57] And it was a great breakthrough in technology. They'd [37:59] been around for about 30, 40 years. And there were [38:02] some people that talked about putting a telegraph [38:05] machine on every desk in America to improve [38:08] productivity. And what those people didn't know was [38:13] about the same time Alexander Graham Bell filed the [38:16] original patents for the telephone-- a breakthrough in [38:19] technology. Because putting a telegraph machine on [38:23] every desk in America to improve productivity wouldn't [38:25] work. People wouldn't have spent the 20 to 40 to 100 [38:28] hours to learn Morse code. They just wouldn't have [38:31] done it. But with the telephone within 10 years, over [38:35] 200, 000 telephones on desks in America. It was a [38:39] breakthrough because people already knew how to [38:41] use it. It performed the same basic function, but [38:43] radical ease of use. And in addition to just letting you [38:46] type in the words or click in the words, it let you sing, it [38:49] let you even tone your sentences. It really gets your [38:52] meanings across. We are at that juncture in our [38:55] industry right now. There are people suggesting that [38:58] we should put a current- generation box on everyone's [39:03] desk to improve productivity, a telegraph, if you [39:07] will. And we don't believe that. We don't think it will [39:10] work. People will not read those damn 400- page [39:13] WordStar manuals. They will carry around these cards [39:16] in their pockets with a 150 / WZs. They're [39:21] not gonna do it and what we think we have here today [39:24] finally is the first telephone. And in addition to [39:28] letting you do the old spreadsheets and word [39:30] processing, it lets you sing, it lets you make pictures, it [39:32] lets you make diagrams where you can cut them and [39:34] paste them into your documents. It lets you put that [39:37] sentence in bold Helvetica or Old English, if that's the [39:40] way you wanna express yourself. What we think we've [39:43] done is we've gotten us back on the track of letting us [39:47] bring this technology not just the people that haven't [39:49] hooked up to these big blue boxes in Fortune 500 [39:51] Corporations. Sure, we wanna sell those-- our [39:53] products to those people. But what we're really doing, [39:55] the reason we're doing what we're doing is because we [39:57] wanna bring this to tens of millions of people and [40:01] never before has the time been riper and never before [40:04] with a radically easier to use 32- bit technology, we've [40:08] been closer to doing just that. So with [40:12] that, I'd like to ask everyone to just stand up and relax [40:15] for a few minutes and we're gonna put a few tables up [40:17] here and bring the Macintosh software team and [40:22] one of the members of the hardware team up here [40:23] and answer whatever questions you might have about [40:25] what we're doing. Thanks. [40:26] >>Introduce [40:29] yourself [40:32] and [40:35] they [40:38] will [40:40] talk [40:43] a [40:46] little [40:49] bit [40:52] about the piece that they did starting with my right to [40:54] your left. [40:57] >>My name is Steve Capps and I worked a little bit on [40:59] the RAM and I helped Bruce Horn with the Finder. [41:04] >>My name is Andy Hertzfeld and I worked in a lot of [41:06] the system software for Macintosh. [41:08] >>My name is Randy Wigginton and I worked in word [41:11] processor. [41:11] >>My name is Bill Atkinson. I did the QuickDraw [41:15] graphics, primitives and the MacPaint application. [41:17] >>I'm Bruce Horn and I worked on the RAM a little [41:20] and on the Finder with Steve Capps. [41:24] >>My name is Burrell Smith and I designed digital [41:26] logic board for Macintosh. [41:27] >>I'm Owen Densmore and I did the printing. [41:31] >>My name is [41:35] Rony Sebok and I wrote the mouse lesson that you get [41:38] on your Mac iDisc and a font mover. [41:48] >>So, if we have some really great questions, we'd [41:51] like to answer. But before we do, Bill and Randy are [41:55] gonna run through some really quick demos, which you [41:56] will be able to see up on that screen to give you a little [41:59] feeling for the kinds of things that we can do. [42:08] >>I'm gonna show you the MacPaint graphics editor [42:10] that runs on Macintosh and lets you edit images [42:15] sometimes conveying your message goes better with [42:18] pictures and with words. What you see when you open [42:22] up MacPaint is three palettes, a palette [42:27] of current tools, a palette of patterns, and a palette of [42:31] border thicknesses. To use them, you point with the [42:35] mouse and click on a Tool and press, stretch out a line [42:39] here, and release when you got the line or choose a [42:42] different thickness and do the same. There [42:47] are structured tools along here that let you make [42:50] hollow and filled objects like a filled rectangle here, [42:55] choose a pattern to fill it with and here make a filled [43:00] oval. You can erase [43:04] parts of the image using this little thing that looks like a [43:07] brick. It's supposed to be an eraser-- That's best I [43:09] can-- And if you just scrub it away then [43:13] it kind of eats [43:16] away [43:19] and after you get bored with scrubbing a lot, you can [43:22] just click twice and it will get rid [43:27] everything. This tool lets me draw a curved filled [43:30] object. When I let go the mouse, it will complete the [43:34] curve and fill it in or here a polygonal [43:38] object where I just click at each vertex. And when I [43:41] click twice, it finishes off for me. Okay. A [43:47] little more free form tool is the brush tool. Here, I [43:50] erase things here and draw something with the brush. [43:55] It's a lot like scribbling with a crayon. You can use [43:59] it in conjunction with a pattern and for example let's [44:03] choose a large brush shape. We have [44:07] a variety of shapes you can choose from. You just click [44:10] on one and we'll choose a big round brush here and [44:12] draw with that. And somehow, the patterns sort [44:16] of magically lined up. I'm a [44:37] little nervous. I'm not so good with the mouse. Okay. [44:43] The next tool here is a spray cam and that lets me do [44:47] smooth shading. I can kinda gradually shade in [44:50] something and the longer I spray, the darker it gets. [44:53] For example-- I'm [45:00] gonna take this circle and turn it into a [45:03] three- dimensional sphere by shading it in. I'm gonna [45:05] pick up a little bit of white paint and spray with that to [45:08] put a highlight on it. And I [45:12] can even control individual pixels. I can point it at a dot [45:16] and turn it on or off and you have to kinda squint a bit [45:20] or you can go into Fatbits, which lets you see a [45:23] magnified view and that's easy for me to turn on and [45:26] off bits. The hand [45:37] tool lets me scroll. I can press on the document and [45:40] push it around underneath the window. [45:42] >>That's incredible. [45:44] >>So up in that left- hand corner, I'm seeing a normal [45:47] size view and here I'm seeing a little bit magnified [45:49] views that I can act right on it. If [45:54] you click in the small size view, you go back to normal [45:56] size. If you have edges on [46:00] your document, you can fill in the areas using the paint [46:04] bucket. Some people say it looks like a cap or, you [46:07] know, you know graduation cap. That is supposed to [46:10] be a paint bucket pouring paint out the tip of it. So, if [46:13] you select the pattern and press, you can just fill in [46:16] with that color paint. It's like a coloring book. And [46:22] there's a tool for making text. You can point [46:27] some place and type. That's [46:33] the first time I touch the keyboard and I'm [46:37] not a very good typist. Change the sizes and [46:42] emphasis things, etc. The next two tools at the top [46:46] allow you to work on a portion of the image. The [46:49] rectangle selector here says, I wanna grab this [46:52] rectangular chunk of the image and you see little [46:55] marching ants around it to help you distinguish what [46:57] selected. When you point inside the selection, you [47:02] can pull on it and it will come with you. If you [47:06] hold down the option key, then as you do so at least [47:09] behind the old one so you can peel off a copy easily. If [47:20] you hold on the feature key, it stretches in instead. I [47:22] wanna do that. [47:28] Notice when I'm dragging the securities around a [47:30] rectangle of white, sometimes you wanna carry, you [47:33] wanna select a nonrectangular selection and notice [47:37] this carries just of all. I just lasso around the object. [47:41] When I let go, the lasso tightens around it and gets just [47:44] that thing. Again, option will peel off a copy and, [47:49] in fact, feature and option will peel off many copies. [48:17] If I select the portion image, I can also do edit [48:20] commands on it. I can say they rotate that on its side [48:23] and that helps me when I wanna put a label on the [48:26] side of something or I can say to select [48:30] the portion of the image and say flip that horizontally [48:34] or flip it vertically or invert [48:38] it. Many different transforms that I wanna do on to the [48:42] image. So [48:46] far, we've been working on one portion of the page [48:49] about a third of it, as well you can see it on the screen, [48:52] though you're dealing with the whole printer full 8 X 10 [48:55] page. When you say show page, it will show you the [48:58] entire page and I can show a rectangle that shows [49:02] what portion you're looking at now. I can pull at [49:05] rectangle down to another portion of the page. Just [49:07] scroll it there and say, that's the portion I wanna work [49:10] on. And I prepared an image a head of time a little fish [49:13] and I will select that with the lasso and [49:19] copy that into the clipboard. This leaves me take it [49:22] between different documents. I can now paste on into [49:25] another MacPaint document or I'm gonna quit MacPaint [49:29] and will even paste this into a word processing [49:31] document. Randy Wigginton is now gonna [49:35] show us the MacWrite word processor. [49:53] >>As incredible as MacPaint is, it's really nothing [49:55] compared to the QuickDraw routines that-- no, no-- [49:58] it's nothing compared to the QuickDraw routines that [50:00] Bill wrote for the ROM and he also wrote for Lisa. If [50:03] weren't for Bill, none of us will be up here on the stage. [50:05] I'd like to thank him for that. [50:05] >>In fact, we're gonna [ unk ] compared to MacWrite? [50:14] >>No. No, it's a lot more interesting than word [50:18] processor. The whole thrust behind Mac is to make [50:22] everything easy to use and very visually oriented as [50:25] Steve said we didn't want you to remember a lot of the [50:27] escapes / command Zs or anything like that. The [50:30] whole idea is that whatever you see in the screen is [50:32] what you're gonna get on the printed page and we [50:34] want things to be simply and easy to use. With [50:37] MacWrite, even though there's a lot of features, they're [50:39] all very easy to use. For example, to type, all you do is [50:43] just simply point the mouse somewhere. You click and [50:45] you start typing. Now, [50:50] you type. No [ unk ]. You can also, however, go up and [50:53] change a style. I'm going to type some underline text. [51:02] You can also type lower case letters. Additionally, you [51:06] know, we have a choice to changing all the styles, [51:08] which you can additionally change the size of any font [51:10] that you're dealing in. I'm gonna go to a larger font. [51:19] Additionally, we have a large choice of fonts. All these [51:22] fonts can provide you with each disc. One of my [51:25] favorites is Langdon, which is Old English. This is [51:28] wonderful for writing letters to moron. [51:29] >>Sure. Really think you're getting a [51:33] classic education this way. Another [51:38] font that is one of my favorites is the one San [51:41] Francisco. This is used for Apple's new program called [51:45] Cons Can't Wait. I [51:52] was [51:58] just in a very successful con. It has problems. You'll [52:02] notice here that we have a document that was [52:06] formatted with left and right margins; however, you [52:09] haven't so far seen away to control those. The way we [52:10] do that is through the use of rulers. A ruler affects the [52:13] format of the text from it up to the next ruler. I simply [52:17] say show rulers. We can see the ruler that's formatting [52:20] all of these texts here. We have choice. We have left [52:23] margin in the first line indent. Over here, we have a [52:25] right margin. Here we have a tab stop. Here we have [52:29] three buttons that determine the spacing of your [52:31] document, single spaced, 1- 1 / 2 spaced, or double [52:34] spaced. He simply click on the box that you want to [52:37] format the text according to your desires. We have [52:40] center justify, right justify, or field justify where [52:44] your margins are fully justified on both sides. We [52:47] wanted you to see the printer image. [52:54] The printing routines that were written Owen [52:55] Densmore do all a printing magic so I can't claim credit [52:58] there. Here is the table that we entered earlier. [53:02] Additionally, we wanna should be able to format tables [53:06] featuring numerics and normal texts and be able to [53:08] change this and edit this as you wanted. We have two [53:11] types of tabs, normal tabs and decimal tabs. These [53:14] are tab well so I can get extra tabs from-- Here's a [53:18] decimal tab. A decimal tab right justifies text up to a [53:21] decimal point. Notice that this column of the decimal [53:24] points are lined up. If we simply point out the tab, [53:26] move it and let go. The column will reformat [53:30] underneath the new tab stop move it back. This is [53:33] pretty useful for formatting tables and things like that. [53:37] Well, earlier, Bill made a picture and a picture is worth [53:41] of thousands words and we thought we wanted to be [53:44] able to handle that. So, if you simply point and click, [53:47] we can go ahead and paste and the picture will now [53:50] appear in the middle of your word processor [53:51] document. This is pretty useful for illustrations and [53:55] graphs and things like that. If you click on it, you can [53:59] form a box around that. You can move the picture [54:01] around. You can make your picture real small, make it [54:04] real large. Fish is still ugly. It won't just make it a-- [54:05] make it look like a sardine. [54:14] One feature I forgot to cover was if you wish to replace [54:16] some text, for example, I wish to have this letter [54:19] written to trout rather than squid is simply select the [54:21] text you want to type in and you type the replacement. [54:25] Nothing else to remember. You can also go [54:29] back and change any fonts any time you want. We can [54:32] select all of this. Let's put all of that in the San [54:36] Francisco font as my favorite. And we can also make it [54:40] all large. We can underline it. If you make [54:44] a mistake at anytime no matter what you've done, you [54:46] can always go back to the edit menu and select undo [54:48] and will tell you what's you're undoing and will go back [54:51] to the way it was before. If for example you had a lot [54:55] of this selected, and this happens sometimes your cat [54:58] jumps on the keyboard and types that, you simply go [55:01] up and you say undo and you're back to where you [55:02] were. We want to make it pretty forgiving so that you [55:05] wouldn't do curse at me later. Okay, thank you. [55:08] >>Do you have any questions? We might [55:21] be a little help answer. Yes, in the front. [55:23] >>How about the sound-- sound generation? What [55:28] was the chip and how can we get information on [55:29] writing music software for this? [55:31] >>Great. [55:32] >>I'd like to ask Burrell to talk a little bit about [55:34] hardware and for Andy to talk a little bit about the [55:38] software. Burrell? [55:39] >>We're not using any particular [55:43] integrated circuit rather than sound generation [55:46] hardwares fully integrated and with the logic and [55:49] timing to the machine. In addition, there's software [55:52] support that provides up to four voices of sound with [55:55] 24- bit sound pitch control or speech that you heard [55:59] today. [56:01] >>So, basically, the way it works as far as the [56:03] hardware is concerned, Burrell is fetching every 44 [56:06] microseconds. He fetches an 8- bit value and throws it [56:08] into a digital to analog converter and it was up to me [56:12] to make that easy to use and generate pitches out of [56:14] that so the way it sort of works is the sound travel [56:16] wakes up at the end of every video screen and [56:19] computes the next 370 value stuff filled the buffer [56:22] with. It can do with this in a variety of ways. The way-- [56:26] The most common way is to use what we called the [56:28] four- voice sound generator. You can specify four [56:31] totally different independent way forms and a 24- bit [56:34] pitch value for those sounds and-- [56:37] >>You solve the puzzle. [56:40] >>Right. And it will generate four simultaneous tones [56:45] studio music- type stuff. Of course, that isn't enough to [56:47] do. That's great for doing periodic type sounds like [56:49] music, but to generate speech such as you heard [56:53] demonstrated today, you need to be able to pump a [56:55] long way forms through the speakers. So, the sound [56:59] driver also permits you to pump arbitrary waveform [57:02] scale to any frequency rate through the speaker. [57:06] >>Okay. Next. Yeah, in the back there. [57:09] >>If you have an intermediate letter quality printer [57:11] [ unk ] the laser printer and the dot matrix. [57:13] >>Question is if we have an intermediate [57:19] letter quality printer. The answer to that is yes [57:23] and no. Let's handle the no first. No, [57:28] we don't have one. Because [57:32] we don't believe in them. We believe in letter quality [57:35] output, but we believe in getting that through much [57:37] higher resolution dot printing such as a laser printer. [57:41] We will-- The Macintosh hardware supports letter [57:44] quality printing and some people like Microsoft are [57:48] going to probably support daisy- wheel printers. The [57:50] problem is how do you print the fish with a [57:54] daisy- wheel printer and how do you print an Old [57:57] English with the daisy- wheel printer. Let me ask Owen [58:00] Densmore to jump in since Owen wrote all the printing [58:02] for Macintosh and Lisa. He's like a printing guru. [58:07] >>I'm not so sure what the question is other than all [58:10] we gonna do something like that. The most important [58:13] thing from my standpoint and the largest challenge I [58:16] faced when I worked on the Macintosh was really the [58:19] design, the printing interface so it was a miniature [58:23] application running inside the host-- the [58:27] host program. It's fully configurable. It's [58:32] rather easy conceptually anyway. You stay up a lot of [58:35] nights working it out as my family can attest. But [58:39] it's a very configurable design. The idea has been that [58:43] if a given application sorely needs a [58:48] daisy- wheel printer to make the revolution happen, it [58:50] will happen. Unfortunately, it's not very much fun [58:54] and Bill gets to have all his great time, you see with [58:59] his graphic program. I don't wanna be left out, so I [59:01] wanna go after color. I wanna go after high resolution. [59:06] I wanna go after type setters. I think [59:10] that there's a big need for typesetting applications in [59:13] the industry and I think we're gonna do that. I think-- I [59:16] think that really is gonna be more interesting. [59:18] >>One final note, if you look at the output that you get [59:21] off of $ 500 image writer printer, it's pretty amazing [59:26] and you can't-- we can't stand up in here and says, [59:28] " It's letter quality printer, letter quality output that you [59:31] might wanna send up at a legal office ." but with the [59:33] exception of those kind of very high- end applications, [59:35] you'd be surprised that how good it is and the beauty [59:37] of the fonts in many cases makes up for the slight lack [59:41] of resolution. You're gonna take a look at it. It's pretty [59:43] good. Anything else? Yes. [59:46] >>Do you have any information on a new assemble-- [59:49] the new assembler for it that will be available like the [59:53] third quarter? [59:54] >>The question was do we have any information on [59:55] new assembler that will be available in the third [59:57] quarter? I guess you can grab one of us after the [59:59] meeting and we'll try to fill you on all that stuff. Yeah. [1:00:00] Yes? [1:00:03] >>What about communication with existing 8- bit [1:00:08] software and 8- bit programs to interface them with [1:00:11] using MacWrite for instance and actually in both [1:00:14] directions how would it accept like an SK file? [1:00:18] >>Randy? [1:00:21] >>The terminal emulation program is coming from [1:00:23] Apple in the very near future. That will allow you to [1:00:25] bring files over. Of course, they won't have the [1:00:26] formatting information since no one else does that right [1:00:28] now. [1:00:28] >>Yes? [1:00:28] >>I have a couple of questions about the word [1:00:28] processor. First [1:00:35] of all, with the justification that you're demonstrating, it [1:00:39] always affected the entire document. You might just [1:00:40] want to set it ahead or over the top and [1:00:44] then just leave it right to a different format, but I want [1:00:46] to see how that-- [1:00:48] >>Do you have any other [1:01:00] questions? [1:01:01] >>The trout looks [1:01:05] swift which was very conveniently also five letters. What [1:01:08] if you want to change it to halibut? [1:01:11] >>Oh, these are hard questions. You [1:01:16] can do it whatever you like. Okay, [1:01:21] any other questions. Yes, somewhere on the right. [1:01:23] >>What's the development part of { unk } software [1:01:24] from Macintosh? Do we did the Lisa IIs [1:01:30] and do it there as the same tools environment that's [1:01:31] available in the Lisa? [1:01:31] >>What's the development environment-- [1:01:37] >>Currently, we're developing all the software in the [1:01:38] Lisa and we have this downloading program that you [1:01:42] download your programs on to the Mac and there's a [1:01:45] debugging terminal that can be anything that talks as [1:01:48] key. So, you could get buy with the Lisa and the [1:01:51] Macintosh. In the future, we will hopefully be totally [1:01:56] Macintosh based. [1:01:56] >>The developed claim was Pascal. [1:02:01] >>We have Pascal and 68000, similar language. [1:02:06] We have versions of C up on the Macintosh. I'm not [1:02:10] sure when they'll be available. Yeah. [1:02:13] Yes? [1:02:14] >>Earlier, you mentioned how you-- we're not going [1:02:18] to abandon the Lisa 1 pioneers. What about the [1:02:22] Apple IIe [1:02:27] pioneers? [1:02:27] >>Question is what about all the people that own [1:02:29] Apple IIes. I would, first of all, say that you're on the [1:02:33] most popular series personal computer of all time, [1:02:35] number one. Number two, I think that statement is [1:02:38] gonna be two or three years from now. The real [1:02:41] interesting question is when we will see more of this in [1:02:43] a quarter or in a month than we do Apple IIes or follow [1:02:47] on Apple II products. And I don't think that's gonna be [1:02:50] 1984 and I don't think it's gonna be 1985. We [1:02:54] sold 100, 000, actually about 110, 000 IIes [1:02:58] in December. What happened was we had a sort of a [1:03:00] flat October, because it's hard to compete against a [1:03:04] product that doesn't exist. The minute that PCjr was [1:03:07] introduced, our sales went through the roof and-- [1:03:17] and I think you're gonna see an incredible commitment [1:03:20] to the Apple II on the part of ourselves and that [1:03:23] third- party community. We're spending as much [1:03:24] R & D on the Apple II family as we are in the Apple [1:03:27] 32- bit family. And as you've seen, we have the mouse [1:03:29] on the Apple II. It actually runs pull- down menus and [1:03:32] sort of simplified version of paint that Bill helped [1:03:35] someone else's ado. And you're gonna see a lot of [1:03:38] stuff on the II. You're gonna see some very exciting [1:03:40] things in 1984 in the II 'cause we're really committed [1:03:42] to that product. Yeah. [1:03:46] A matter of fact, there's someone here tonight that we [1:03:49] might wanna bring up here that had a lot to do with [1:03:51] the Apple II. [ unk ] flew in from Seattle. We didn't [1:03:52] know he's coming and he just showed up here and [1:03:52] he's here. Any [1:04:22] other questions? Yes? Do [1:04:27] we have a spreadsheet program for Mac? Microsoft [1:04:30] has announced multiplan for Macintosh and it's in the [1:04:32] stores now and Lotus has announced 1, 2, 3 [1:04:37] for Macintosh and it's in there development labs now. [1:04:43] Yes? [1:04:46] >>What about availability for other things from Apple? [1:04:47] You've mentioned about 27 computers every second [1:04:50] or one computer every 27 seconds, when are you [1:04:52] gonna get the software? [1:04:52] >>Question is when are you gonna [1:05:03] get the software? [1:05:04] >>Yeah. As you know, the word processor and paints [1:05:05] are available. We are rolling out the terminal program [1:05:09] I believe in February, Mac terminal, Mac Pascal is [1:05:13] I believe March. Mac Logo I think is slipped. We've [1:05:17] got a version of Basic, which is really hot that we've [1:05:20] also slipped on probably in the May- June timeframe [1:05:22] at the latest, although Microsoft's version of Basic is [1:05:25] gonna be on the shelves within 30 days. Oh, [1:05:29] it's available now. [1:05:30] >>Oh, great. Great. Better. [1:05:35] Any from the real back? Yeah, just stand up 'cause we [1:05:38] can't see it. -[ unk ] power in a monitor in the near [1:05:42] future? [1:05:42] >>Yeah. [1:05:43] >>Secondly, do you see a 3. 5- inch diskette as a [1:05:43] handicap if [ unk ] [1:05:48] >>Okay. [1:05:51] >>The first question was do we see a 3. 5- inch [1:05:53] diskette as a handicap. Clearly, we do not. We're [1:05:58] storing, as we said, 400K bytes of information on one [1:06:01] side of the diskette. You can throw these things. You [1:06:04] can take them in and-- I would never do that [1:06:08] with a 5- 1 / 4- inch floppy and I bet that diskette will [1:06:11] still work. They're really tightly protected. They don't [1:06:13] need these ridiculous jackets. They're very high [1:06:15] capacity and they're very reliable and will allow us to [1:06:18] build smaller and smaller products in the future. So, [1:06:20] we're really happy with that decision. So happy that we [1:06:23] converted all of the Lisas over to it and you can expect [1:06:26] that all futures 32- bit products from Apple will use [1:06:28] that technology for floppy diskette storage. On the [1:06:31] color side, we had a very interesting challenge and [1:06:35] a choice. We knew how to do low resolution color, [1:06:39] which is the kind that you can get on current [1:06:40] generation personal computers and we had a [1:06:42] breakthrough on how to do high- resolution, [1:06:45] high- definition black and white. And as you can see [1:06:47] from the Macintosh display, it's very high definition. We [1:06:51] could not figure out a way to take very high- definition [1:06:54] color, which currently sells for $ 15, 000 to $ 20, 000 [1:06:57] and figure out how to put it in a box that would sell for [1:06:59] $ 2500. We just-- We don't think there's a way to do it [1:07:02] today. So, the question was should we go with [1:07:04] low- resolution color, which you really don't wanna [1:07:06] stare at all day or high- definition black and white. [1:07:09] And we chose the latter because there are a group of [1:07:12] technologies converging around black and white. As an [1:07:15] example, the technology that lets us do the very [1:07:18] high- definition CRT in Macintosh. Secondly, someday [1:07:21] we hope to put the Macintosh in a book with flat panel [1:07:23] technology, which will most certainly be initially [1:07:25] monochromatic. And the third is that laser printing [1:07:28] technology is going to be monochromatic initially as [1:07:31] well. So, there appears to be a lot of this [1:07:33] high- resolution black and white technologies [1:07:35] converging in the next three or four years, which are [1:07:37] gonna allow us to blossom that out into a complete [1:07:40] system. Someday, they'll be color and, as a matter of [1:07:42] fact, they built color into QuickDraw from day one, but [1:07:47] the types of products for the next 24 months are going [1:07:49] to be monochromatic. What's [1:07:53] that? [1:07:53] >>The animation. [1:07:55] >>Animation, that's a great word. Software [1:08:01] for animation? Andy? [1:08:05] >>Mac is capable of doing some incredible animation [1:08:07] and I'm sure you'll see some amazing animation [1:08:10] editors working. Bill Budge is working on some games [1:08:13] for Mac that I'm sure will blow your mind. Steve Capps [1:08:17] wrote the Alice chess game, which you can see [1:08:19] sometimes, which does some amazing 3D animation. [1:08:22] [ unk ] [1:08:22] >>Yeah, I've got it. [1:08:22] >>You've got it. [1:08:22] >>Yeah. [1:08:22] >>Oh, go get it. Yeah. Okay. Yes. [1:08:33] >>I can see where MacWrite would be much [1:08:37] easier to learn than Wordstar. But once you know all [1:08:40] the commands, which would be faster using the cursor [1:08:43] or using the commands? [1:08:47] >>The question is after you become an expert, is the [1:08:49] mouse still a feature or a handicap? Would anybody [1:08:53] like to answer that gentleman? Anybody else? [1:08:56] >>It depends a lot on the individual user. I'm sure [1:08:59] different people will prefer different things. I think all [1:09:01] of us up here, who've have experienced with the [1:09:03] mouse far prefer using the mouse to cursor. [1:09:06] >>Absolutely. The question-- There's a few [1:09:08] questions. First of all, we've got to do traditional things [1:09:11] better with the mouse and then we've got to do the [1:09:13] untraditional things. Now, we all know that it's hard to [1:09:15] draw fish with cursor keys. So, we can start off there. [1:09:19] The second thing is that even after you become [1:09:23] an expert, we've done a lot of testing. It does take [1:09:25] some extra time to get off of the keyboard and find [1:09:27] the mouse and then get back to the keyboard in home [1:09:29] position once you've used the mouse. But even with [1:09:33] that delay, it is faster, number one. And number two, [1:09:36] after you've selected something the chances are [1:09:38] extremely high that you want to act on that selection, [1:09:40] i. e ., go up to the top of the screen in the menu bar [1:09:43] and since you already on the mouse, if you add that [1:09:45] both of those, it's much, much faster than cursor keys [1:09:48] in addition to being able to do draw fish. Yes? [1:09:50] >>Will students in universities that act in this elite [1:09:52] consortium also will be allowed to buy the Macintosh [1:09:54] for a thousand dollars? [1:09:56] >>The question is will students in some schools that [1:09:57] are not part in this consortium will be allowed to buy [1:09:58] Macintosh a thousand dollars? The answer is no. [1:10:05] >>Why not? [1:10:09] >>Because we go broke. [1:10:19] >>We are currently trying to broaden that program [1:10:22] out to probably a larger number of schools in a second [1:10:26] generation program. But we're not ready to roll on that [1:10:29] right now and certainly every school has called us [1:10:32] about it, so we're in the process of figuring out exactly [1:10:34] what to do. But we-- again, our goal is to get this to [1:10:37] tens of millions of people and we know that college [1:10:39] students can't necessarily afford $ 2500 in that point [1:10:43] in their lives. So, we're gonna try some creative [1:10:45] solutions to that. Yes? [1:10:48] >>But we have lost to talk about the future of the [1:10:51] Apple II. [1:10:55] >>Just vaguely and generally future of the Apple II? [1:11:02] Right. We've got some of the most excited, you know, [1:11:04] Apple enthusiast in our personal computer systems [1:11:07] division, which I'm a part and we're working on some [1:11:10] absolutely great. What we believe are great [1:11:12] revolutionary changes in the world coming out of our [1:11:15] division. We've got several great products on the way [1:11:18] for this year, not all computers and-- Well, [1:11:22] I can't say too much more except these specifically [1:11:24] describing products in the works. Yeah. [1:11:26] >>That's on Apple IIs. What about upgrading those [1:11:32] IIes? [1:11:32] >>In the Apple IIs to IIes, I'm still hoping [1:11:37] that someone does it and I'm pushing for it because [1:11:40] IIes had been around for about a year and maybe it's [1:11:42] been seen for a year before that by some developers, [1:11:44] but a lot of the features of the IIe that went beyond the [1:11:46] II Plus. Don't get use right away because there's no [1:11:50] really mass market. The software does not use double [1:11:53] hi res and it does not use the extended memory of the [1:11:56] IIe. That software is about to start appearing, you [1:11:59] know, eventually. But it turns out the whole Apple [1:12:01] markets strongly-- is very supportive of its prior [1:12:05] customers and the people who brought the II Pluses [1:12:07] and that's been the nature of things. So, the IIe [1:12:10] software has not really started appearing yet. In other [1:12:12] words, you see features of the IIe that don't work on [1:12:14] your II Plus. When that happens, there may be a need [1:12:17] for a card. One in the back there. Yeah. You. [1:12:19] >>Two questions: How are you getting the video on [1:12:20] the Mac onto the screen and do you have a version of [1:12:24] small talk at works? [1:12:30] >>Two questions. One, how are we getting the video [1:12:31] out, and second, do we have a version of small talk? [1:12:33] We're getting the video out. We add a little board [1:12:35] inside the Macintosh. It allows us to bring that video. [1:12:38] Unfortunately, the Macintosh-- Well, fortunately, the [1:12:40] Macintosh's screen is very high resolution. What that [1:12:43] means is you can't plug it into an ordinary TV and so [1:12:45] we didn't spend the extra, you know, 10 bucks that [1:12:48] would cost to bill the video output in each Macintosh [1:12:50] 'cause nobody to hook it up too anyway. So, for those [1:12:52] people that really need it, we sort of-- we can do a [1:12:54] special version which has an output, which is what's [1:12:55] feeding this projector. In terms of small talk, Bruce [1:12:58] Horn actually has implemented several small talks. He [1:13:00] was at Xerox PARC at an early age and I will let him [1:13:04] talk about that. [1:13:06] >>Well, none of us are really working on a version of [1:13:09] small talk for I can say that there's going to be a [1:13:11] version of Pascal that has a lot of the good qualities of [1:13:15] small talk that think technologies is doing and I [1:13:19] hardly recommend that. I'm sure that somebody will [1:13:22] do a version of small talk further at some point, but for [1:13:25] the time being I think technologies' thing is greatest in [1:13:27] the world. Yes. [1:13:34] The one I missed before. Right. You. Quick stand up. [1:13:37] No, not-- See, I missed that again. [1:13:39] >>Is there gonna be continued support? What's gonna [1:13:41] happen? [1:13:42] >>Is there gonna be continued support-- So why you [1:13:44] called me if I know your question. [1:14:03] No. Seriously, we're shipping about 2500 Apple IIIs a [1:14:07] month and 80 % of those are going to people that [1:14:11] already own Apple IIIs, which means two things. One, [1:14:14] the III is a pretty niche product, and two, people are [1:14:17] really happy with them. So, we anticipate making IIIs [1:14:19] until the cows come home with the upgrade of ProDOS [1:14:23] on the Apple II. The Apple II software environment is [1:14:25] now much closer to the Apple III software environment. [1:14:27] You're gonna see much more of a migration of [1:14:29] software between those two. So, I think the III has got a [1:14:32] pretty long life ahead of us, probably the fourth largest [1:14:34] selling product in the industry right now and we sort of [1:14:37] look at it as our, you know, big brother to the Apple II. [1:14:42] Do we have any more questions for the software group [1:14:44] up here rather than sort of general marketing ones [1:14:46] while they're here? Yeah, right up there. Does [1:14:50] Macintosh do multitasking or not? Who wants to answer [1:14:52] that one? Andy? [1:14:55] >>Macintosh does sort of limited form of multitasking. [1:14:58] We allow-- as you've seen this little disc accessory [1:15:01] programs such as the calculator and the puzzle we [1:15:03] were running, the application yields time to the disc [1:15:07] accessories to allow them to run concurrently with the [1:15:10] current application. But right now, we have two limited [1:15:12] memory to permit huge programs to run [1:15:16] simultaneously. I think probably you'll see something [1:15:18] like that in the future. [1:15:19] >>Steve? [1:15:21] >>Yes, Owen? [1:15:24] >>One of the-- When you ask about multiprocessing, [1:15:26] one of the things you're-- you have to keep in mind is [1:15:29] what you're really looking for. For example in printing, [1:15:33] it's possible to use it as a background for ground. You [1:15:37] put in that kind of usage. For example, in printing and [1:15:40] in many other places throughout the system, we use [1:15:43] something called an idle procedure, a procedure that [1:15:45] has passed into other packages that will be called at [1:15:50] times when the first one is busy. I know that wasn't too [1:15:53] clear, but the idea of being that by using something [1:15:58] more like a coroutine, you get many of the features of [1:16:02] multiprocessing for free. So, to be very specific when [1:16:05] you look at multichart-- excuse me, Multiplan, you'll [1:16:10] notice that when you're printing, the application comes [1:16:12] back to you and you still edit it and that coroutine type [1:16:17] mechanism will give you that type of multiprocessing. [1:16:22] >>Okay. One or two last questions and we get to turn [1:16:24] it back over to Jonathan. Yes. [1:16:26] >>Will there be more than 128K in one drive Mac? [1:16:31] >>Will there ever be more than 128K in one drive [1:16:34] Mac? Yes and no. Burrell has [1:16:38] designed the board to accept 256K RAM chips in [1:16:41] addition to the 64K RAM chips. So, someday, when we [1:16:44] can get a large enough supply of 256K RAMs, there [1:16:47] will be a 512K Mac and there will be an upgrade path [1:16:50] for all the existing owners to bring in their digital board [1:16:52] and swap it out for a 512K digital board at a certain [1:16:55] price and that's gonna be really exciting. It would [1:16:58] probably be about 1985 hopefully in the first half [1:17:01] when we can do that. In terms of that second disc [1:17:04] drive, we're not gonna build the second disc drive in [1:17:06] the Mac for two or three reasons. First of all, we don't [1:17:09] want everyone to have to pay for a second disc drive [1:17:11] when only some people will use it, so the people that [1:17:13] will use it can get an outboard disc drive. Secondly, it [1:17:15] would have increased the weight in terms of it being a [1:17:17] transportable small product and we didn't wanna do [1:17:20] that. The third thing is some people may choose to get [1:17:22] out on Winchester-- direct connect Winchester rather [1:17:24] than a second disc drive and why burden them with [1:17:26] having to pay for the second disc drive. So, I think that [1:17:29] we will stick with one disc drive. Again, I think [1:17:31] sometime maybe, you know, in the first half of 1985, [1:17:33] we might be able to go to double- sided drives. [1:17:36] Obviously, again, we'll provide some sort of upgrade [1:17:38] path for the existing owners. It's hard to tell right now. [1:17:41] One last question over there. [1:17:44] >>Thank you. You have wonderful graphics, word [1:17:47] processor, spreadsheets. Do you have any plans for a [1:17:50] database management system? [1:17:53] >>Do we have any plans for a database management [1:17:55] system? A lot of people have plans for database [1:17:58] management system on Macintosh. So, I think you'll see [1:17:59] half a dozen of them by fall. [1:18:01] >>Okay. [1:18:04] Thank you very much and-- [1:18:21] remember that when you [1:19:13] use a Macintosh, [1:20:58] these are [1:22:43] the people that did [1:22:53] it and [1:23:12] they're sort [1:23:18] of hiding [1:23:23] out in that [1:24:57] room. Thanks. [1:25:12] >>Unfortunately, big brothers were controlling [1:25:58] the most videos [1:26:02] shows tonight. So, [1:28:33] you have to put [ unk ] [1:30:06] First, I would [1:30:52] like to [1:31:36] thank all the [1:31:42] people from Apple for putting [1:32:13] a plenty [1:32:24] of time [1:34:17] and money [1:34:24] and for this [1:34:59] very lavish [1:35:05] presentation. Y ```json [{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","@id":"https://time.com/archive/7228214/steve-jobs-mac/","mainEntityOfPage":{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https://time.com/archive/7228214/steve-jobs-mac/"},"headline":"Exclusive: Watch Steve Jobs' First Demonstration of the Mac for the Public, Unseen Since 1984","datePublished":"2014-01-26T03:45:58.000Z","dateModified":"2026-04-13T10:46:47.708Z","description":"It's January, 1984. Steve Jobs, nattily attired in a double-breasted suit, is demonstrating Apple's breakthrough personal computer, Macintosh, before a packed room. 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