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PIMCO's Mohamed El-Erian and Bill Gross.Gregg Segal for TIME by [Rana Foroohar](https://time.com/author/rana-foroohar/) Nov 26, 2012 5:00 AM UTC **Correction Appended: Nov. 16, 2012** Newport beach, Calif., is an unlikely headquarters for the world’s foremost bond traders. Its placid harbor is filled with pleasure boats, its beaches with surfers enjoying the waves. You won’t find wildly gesticulating traders or bosses in pinstripe suits like on Wall Street. PIMCO’s traders look more like diligent graduate students who’ve taken to the library despite the sparkling sunshine. They sit in academic quiet, collecting rays from their triple-screened Bloomberg terminals in a long room lined with awards and books on investing and economic theory, some of which they’ve authored. Staffers are encouraged to publish their views to get feedback from the wider world, which can inform their decisionmaking. The co–chief investment officers of the firm, Mohamed El-Erian and Bill “the Bond King” Gross, keep the same crack-of-dawn hours as the local surfers, whom Gross likes to observe, though not from his modest office, which doesn’t have much of a view. He has to go down to the beach, since PIMCO has no privileged corner offices. He likens surfing to investing, which is “dominated by the wave of either public opinion or institutional opinion, which moves prices forward. If you are negative and you refuse to believe in the wave, then you can’t surf. The point is that when you are surfing, you want to ride the wave, but you also want to recognize that there’s a crest and that ultimately a good surfer has to kick out.” Or wipe out when the wave crashes. And the money wave, says Gross, may be ready to crash. To understand why, you have to understand how PIMCO, like everyone else in the market over the past few years, has been riding the crest of money funneled into the economy by the Federal Reserve, which has, through its three rounds of quantitative easing, been buying vast quantities of U.S. bonds and, more recently, mortgage-backed securities. That’s one reason the stock market took off earlier this year, as the Fed’s moves pushed buyers into riskier assets like equities. PIMCO, which manages nearly $2 trillion, has surfed this money wave well: its flagship Total Return Fund has outperformed its category for the past five years, returning 9.7% this year, nearly 3 percentage points better than the category. Yet PIMCO has grown wary of the wave–and maybe you should too. Gross recently stunned the markets by calling equities a Ponzi scheme and warning investors they will never see 6% real returns again and would be lucky to get 3%. Gross and El-Erian believe there will ultimately be a price to pay for the Fed’s money infusion in the form of return-eroding inflation and other economic distortions. When that happens, real growth (already sluggish) will stagnate further, borrowing costs will skyrocket, stocks will swoon, real estate will struggle and consumers will hunker down. It will be like the 1970s but with less room for productivity gains. All this is compounded by the fact that finance as a fuel for capitalism is tapped out. Growth-killing inequality is rising. And the rich aren’t paying enough taxes, especially in an era when lower returns will change retirement plans for millions. Without major policy changes, Gross and El-Erian believe, the U.S. won’t have the mojo to grow beyond a 2% economy anytime soon. In other words, some of the world’s best surfers are saying, Get out of the water. The Ripple Effect The money wave has been building not just for the past four years but for the past 30\. Historically the economy has tended to move in three-year boom-bust cycles. But since the 1980s, central bankers worldwide have begun to use low interest rates and large cash infusions to ease, smooth and stretch those cycles. Politicians, all too happy to provide voters with a cushy ride, have played along. So has the public, taking advantage of the easy-money environment to assume record amounts of debt to buy stocks and houses, hoping their value would keep rising so we could buy more of everything else. That didn’t happen. Postcrash, we’ve only just started to pay down debt, and we have several more years to go, according to analysts like Harvard’s Ken Rogoff. It’s a chicken-and-egg cycle: the financial crisis demanded that the Fed pump even more money into the system to avoid a depression. But Washington, which should have then helped remedy the situation with growth-enhancing programs like job retraining, New Deal–style infrastructure building and bigger investments in energy and education, has remained gridlocked. (The PIMCO folks would have liked to see an even larger, sharper stimulus directed toward projects with longer-term job-growth potential.) That added political risk to the model, most recently in the form of the so-called fiscal cliff as the Obama Administration and the GOP face off over deficit and debt reduction. Washington’s inability to do anything, says Gross, has shaped his positively biblical view of the slow-growth future. “It’s sort of a seven-years-feast-and-seven-years-famine-type situation,” he says. “And we’ve been feasting for 20 or 30 years.” The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which predicts 2.4% yearly growth as far ahead as 2022, seems to agree. Keep in mind that any annual-growth figure of less than 3% limits our national wealth and well-being in the long term. Navigating Troubled Waters Given this downer of a forecast, how are we supposed to invest? Keep it real, says the PIMCO pair. “What we try to do is tell clients, Almost anything that we do in the future won’t be as high-returning as what you are used to,” says Gross. “The double-digit returns, which are the result of both credit expansion and the wave \[of globalization and growth\] since the 1970s, are in the past. And everything–whether it’s a stock or real estate, and certainly bonds–is going to be much lower-returning simply because it’s all been brought forward by zero interest rates and the Fed. There’s a finite end to that. So how do we navigate in this type of a world? We look for the cleanest dirty shirts.” That’s the sort of quip that Gross and El-Erian have become known for. Nearly every investor knows Ben Bernanke’s money party can’t last, but few sum up this wisdom as succinctly as PIMCO, whose economists and traders are encouraged to simplify complexity by creating pithy taglines for their investment philosophies, many of which get picked up by the financial press. Gross has a coffee mug emblazoned with one of his: DON’T FIGHT THE FED–BUT BE AFRAID. He likes to drink from this mug at the up to three-hour investment-committee meetings that he and El-Erian hold almost daily with key employees to discuss what’s happening in the markets. Back in 2005 the discussion was about how the investment world had fallen in love with the idea of a Goldilocks economy–the notion that markets were in a long period of growth and stability, neither too hot nor too cold, thanks to the wisdom of the world’s central bankers and the seemingly endless growth of emerging markets. Gross, El-Erian and the PIMCO crew had another term for it: stable disequilibrium. Markets seemed calm, but the underlying fundamentals were anything but sound. Not only were financial institutions overleveraged, but both income inequality and the household-debt-to-GDP ratio were growing faster than they had since the era leading up to the Great Depression. Living and working in Southern California rather than in the financial fortresses of Wall Street and the City of London provided Gross with a unique view of just how unstable the housing market in particular was becoming. Newport Beach is a little more than an hour’s drive from San Bernardino and Stockton, which were among the hardest-hit areas in the housing crisis. Eager to understand what was happening on the ground, he pulled a junior credit analyst off his desk and told him to go to seven cities and pretend to be a home buyer. The results proved what we all now know: you barely had to have a pulse to get a mortgage. In late 2005, PIMCO started warning its investors to get out of mortgage-backed securities and housing-linked derivatives. Later the company made a fortune by getting back into the housing game after values plummeted, buying up government-backed loans. (PIMCO also bet correctly on a government bailout of GMAC, GM’s financing arm.) Market Shapers Gross isn’t all-seeing, and his trading record includes some whoppers, like the failure to ride the wave on long-dated Treasuries in 2011\. But despite the occasional miss, Gross and El-Erian have solidified their already important role as major financial insiders. Treasury has the two on speed dial. El-Erian, a macroeconomist whose name comes up in discussions about who will be the next World Bank head or Treasury Secretary (he says he hasn’t been approached to replace Timothy Geithner at Treasury and is very happy at PIMCO), flies around the world giving advice to leaders such as German Chancellor Angela Merkel and European Central Bank president Mario Draghi. Much of PIMCO’s good fortune over the past several years is due to Gross’s canny trader instincts, which he honed at blackjack tables in Las Vegas after college. (A stamp collector and yoga enthusiast who grew up in the Midwest, he studied psychology at Duke and has an M.B.A. from the Anderson School of Management at UCLA.) But a good chunk may also come from El-Erian’s sophisticated worldview. The son of an Egyptian diplomat, El-Erian grew up in places like New York City, Paris, Geneva and Cairo, was educated at Oxford and Cambridge and eventually became a deputy director at the IMF before taking over PIMCO’s emerging-market bond fund from 1999 to 2005\. He then left briefly to run Harvard’s endowment fund, to mixed reviews, and returned to PIMCO at the end of 2007\. As a developing-world specialist, he’s seen a debt crisis or two–which is one of the reasons he was less likely to buy into the idea that highly leveraged institutions selling spliced and diced securities was simply the next evolution of capitalism, as did many at the time. “We never believed the bull—-, basically,” says El-Erian. “We never believed that finance can just exist \[separate from the real economy\].” Both Gross and El-Erian nurture contrarian views. Many PIMCO staffers are given training in behavioral economics to better understand their biases about people, culture and finance and how they might be influencing their decisionmaking. That’s perhaps in part why PIMCO was quick to see, post-2008, the passing of an era. Things that once seemed unthinkable–the U.S. flirting with default, unlimited central-bank money dumps–were suddenly happening. While most experts (including those within the Obama Administration) were plotting how to move from recession back to the trend growth rate of 3% or 4%, PIMCO was grappling with the idea that 2% growth might be the new normal not for a couple of years but for decades. Welcome to the New Normal By 2009, Gross and El-Erian had come up with their seminal paper on the new normal, which has become a catchphrase for describing our current reality of painful deleveraging, polarized politics and a slow-growth, bifurcated economy in which multinational corporations and plutocrats flourish but everyone else struggles. In his most recent investment note, issued at the end of October, Gross makes the very sharp point that while consumer spending, stock prices and housing have been goosed by the Fed, we’re still not saving and investing as a society. Consumers may have saved a bit more postcrisis, but the U.S. net national savings rate–government, household and corporate savings left after depreciating assets are taken out of the equation–is still hovering just below zero. That’s lower than at any other point since the Great Depression. “Surely by now, if the Bernanke model was as advertised, we would be seeing a … willingness to start saving seed corn as opposed to eating caramel corn,” writes Gross. Although they sound like Fed bashers, Gross and El-Erian blame politicians rather than central bankers for our woes. At least the Fed stuck a finger in the dike. The politicians stuck their thumbs elsewhere. Gross, a Republican who voted for Obama in 2008 and again this year mainly because he believes the President’s stance on taxes is fairer (El-Erian is a Democrat), says, “Neither party really seems to understand that credit as a fuel for capitalism is basically exhausted. We’re running on a hybrid now, as opposed to an eight-cylinder Chevrolet Impala like in the late 1960s.” The two do not see cutting tax rates a few percentage points or rolling back regulation as a solution. Gross believes that the last time supply-side economics worked to stimulate the economy was in the 1970s, when taxes were being cut from much higher rates. Nor should we expect a manufacturing renaissance, the Democrats’ panacea, to spur a recovery when our major export markets are suffering. But while they don’t favor simple tax cuts, they believe inequality is the biggest economic headwind out there. After all, how can you have a sustainable recovery in an economy that’s 70% fueled by consumer spending when 90% of the income gains since the recovery began have accrued to the top 1%? “Over the last several decades, companies have taken profits at the expense of individuals,” says Gross. “A lot of people aren’t being paid enough to spend.” Personal income is at least one issue that we can address–unlike, say, the euro-zone crisis, the slowdown in China or turmoil in the Middle East. Gross and El-Erian, who are solidly in the 0.1%, put tax reform tops on the to-do list. And both subscribe to the Warren Buffett school of taxes–that going from a 35% top tax rate to 39.6% wouldn’t drive entrepreneurs abroad and that continued bifurcation in the U.S. workforce means the rich will need to do more for the team. There will be some moderating forces. Productivity increases from things like mobile technology and the shale-gas boom could create jobs and make it cheaper to do business in the U.S. But the new normal will simply continue to be so disruptive in the short term, say the oracles at PIMCO, that wealth redistribution via tax reform is a must for creating a society that’s socially cohesive enough to weather several more years of slow growth. “There should be tax reform where the wealthy pay more and corporations pay more but we end up with a more efficient system,” Gross says. That system, he adds, should be devoid of tax breaks that just put money in rich people’s pockets but include ones that encourage real investment. Beyond that, the pair’s prescriptions are very much a page out of the Simpson-Bowles playbook: medium- and long-term entitlement cuts to restore the U.S.’s creditworthiness and prepare for the day when interest rates (and costs on our debt) will rise. And in the shorter term, it’s all about anything that can create real economic growth and jobs–an infrastructure bank, an FDR-style big dig, major investment in education, and labor-force retraining, particularly for younger people. “Youth unemployment is becoming an epidemic,” says El-Erian. “This is the first generation that’s seriously at risk of doing less well than their parents.” Making 2% Growth Pay Off El-Erian and Gross put much of their sizable personal philanthropic efforts into education, donating tens of millions of dollars to scholarships and financial aid in the U.S. and abroad. And there will likely be more big donations to come, since even in the new normal, PIMCO normally figures out how to make money. “On the first Friday of every month, I’m completely conflicted,” says El-Erian. “The investor side of me is really looking forward to the employment report because we have had a better call on it and linked it much better to what it means for our clients’ money. But the citizen side of me looks at what’s happening to workforce participation and unemployment. Is it still at a record high? What’s the percentage of youth unemployed?” Still, he places his bets. The stock market as a whole may be a Ponzi scheme, but according to El-Erian and Gross, blue chips have become the new bonds. Multinational franchise firms (think Coca-Cola, Procter & Gamble and IBM) can spread risk around the world while delivering a 3% inflation-beating dividend. Well-capitalized, growing firms that are undervalued because they are in beleaguered markets (Spain’s Santander Bank, which is expanding rapidly in Latin America, is a good example) are also smart plays. While political risk in the U.S. makes Gross shy away from long-dated bonds, he’s keener on the higher-yielding debt of countries like Mexico and Brazil (which El-Erian praises for grappling with issues of inequality). PIMCO is still hot on housing and anything housing-related, like timber stocks and construction firms. After all, the Fed’s last round of quantitative easing was focused on mortgage-backed securities, and PIMCO has a chunk of them in its portfolio. Of course, it also has a big chunk of assets in cash, which is only logical for the prophets of the new normal. That’s not a state of affairs that Gross–who recently joked that the yield on one of his money-market accounts over the past year wouldn’t even have bought his wife a new pair of shoes–likes much. So he and El-Erian continue to plot and plan and invest in the new normal, watching the horizon for the crest of that money wave, hoping to keep riding it for a while longer before it finally crashes to shore. _The original version of this story said that Mohamed El-Erian was educated at Harvard. 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