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If 2023 was the year artificial intelligence became a household topic of conversation, it’s in many ways because of Sam Altman, CEO of the artificial intelligence research organization OpenAI. Altman, who was named TIME’s 2023 “CEO of the Year” spoke candidly about his November ousting—and reinstatement—at OpenAI, how AI threatens to contribute to disinformation, and the rapidly advancing technology’s future potential in a wide-ranging conversation with TIME Editor-in-Chief Sam Jacobs as part of TIME’s “A Year in TIME” event on Tuesday._ by [Jacob Hilton](https://time.com/author/jacob-hilton/) ## Jacob Hilton Jacob Hilton was a researcher at OpenAI from 2018 to 2023\. He now runs the Alignment Research Center. Jul 22, 2025 10:25 AM UTC  CEO of OpenAI Sam Altman speaks to members of the media as he arrives at the Sun Valley lodge for the Allen & Company Sun Valley Conference on July 8, 2025 in Sun Valley, Idaho. CEO of OpenAI Sam Altman speaks to members of the media as he arrives at the Sun Valley lodge for the Allen & Company Sun Valley Conference on July 8, 2025 in Sun Valley, Idaho. Kevin Dietsch—Getty Images by [Jacob Hilton](https://time.com/author/jacob-hilton/) ## Jacob Hilton Jacob Hilton was a researcher at OpenAI from 2018 to 2023\. He now runs the Alignment Research Center. Jul 22, 2025 10:25 AM UTC OpenAI is no ordinary company. Founded as a nonprofit in 2015, its [founding announcement](https://openai.com/index/introducing-openai/) predicted that AI could "reach human performance on virtually every intellectual task," creating the need for an organization that would "build value for everyone rather than shareholders." In the following years, AI development became [increasingly expensive](https://time.com/6984292/cost-artificial-intelligence-compute-epoch-report/), and so in 2019, OpenAI created a [commercial subsidiary](https://openai.com/index/openai-lp/) that could raise investment capital while remaining bound to the nonprofit's charitable mission. It was around the time of this transition that I joined the company as a junior researcher. My team at OpenAI was focused on [reinforcement learning](https://time.com/collections/the-ai-dictionary-from-allbusiness-com/7274566/reinforcement-learning/): a process in which an AI system interacts with a simulated environment, and learns to improve through trial and error. We applied this method first to video games, and then to large language models, shaping them using human feedback into early versions of ChatGPT. The same techniques are used today to train systems enjoyed by hundreds of millions of users. The work of me and my team was predicated on the key commitment made by OpenAI in its 2019 transition: a legally binding duty to put the interests of the public ahead of those of investors. But this commitment is now under threat, as OpenAI pursues a [restructuring](https://openai.com/index/why-our-structure-must-evolve-to-advance-our-mission/) that would remove caps on investor profits and [water down](https://notforprivategain.org/) its obligations to its charitable mission. **_Read More:_** [**_What Happens When AI Replaces Workers?_**](https://time.com/7289692/when-ai-replaces-workers/) It is tempting to respond to this cynically, by shrugging it off: once enough money was at stake, the organization's transformation from a mission-first nonprofit into a large tech company was inevitable. But such a narrative lets the company off the hook for walking back its promises to the public. What's more, OpenAI's restructuring plans are still [under scrutiny](https://www.wired.com/story/openai-announce-nonprofit-structure-sam-altman/) from elected officials, so the public has a reason and a right to stand up for its interests. I still own equity in OpenAI, but despite this vested interest in the organization's financial success, I believe the public's interests need protecting. Before I left the company in 2023, products were already being released on a tight schedule, but this only seems to have intensified, to the extent that employees have warned about [safety testing being rushed](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/07/12/openai-ai-safety-regulation-gpt4/). This hasty approach is now leading to releases being [rolled back](https://openai.com/index/expanding-on-sycophancy/) for "fueling anger, urging impulsive actions, or reinforcing negative emotions." Meanwhile, decision-makers have profit incentives that don't fully account for these downsides. The responsibility for holding OpenAI to its charitable mission falls to its nonprofit board of directors. Unfortunately, many have [raised concerns](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/410261/openai-non-profit-transition-letter-sam-altman-artificial-intelligence) that the current nonprofit board lacks the independence and resources needed to perform this role effectively. Since 2019, OpenAI's commercial operations have grown from nonexistent to making billions in annual revenue. By contrast, the nonprofit still has no independent staff of its own, and its board members are too busy running their own companies or academic labs to provide meaningful oversight. To add to this, OpenAI's proposed restructuring now threatens to weaken the board's authority when it instead needs reinforcing. But there is another way forward. Before proceeding with any restructuring, the board's immediate priority should be to hire a nonprofit CEO to build out an independent team, free from financial conflicts of interest and accountable to the board alone. The purpose of this team would be to support the board in its oversight duties, and it could grow to perform a number of critical functions. **_Read More:_** [**_The AI Revolution Isn’t Possible Without an Energy Revolution_**](https://time.com/7294803/ai-revolution-energy-revolution/) First, the nonprofit could conduct reviews of executive performance by the standards of the organization's charitable mission. These could be used by the board to determine executive compensation packages, helping to align incentives at the top of the company. Second, the nonprofit could provide the board with independent expertise on safety and security. It could review internal safety testing conducted under the company's [Preparedness Framework](https://cdn.openai.com/openai-preparedness-framework-beta.pdf), as well as external safety testing and third-party audits of the company's security practices. Frontier deployments could be subject to board approval, supported by summaries of these reviews. Third, the nonprofit could enhance transparency. By maintaining its own communication channel with the public, it could keep the public informed about the company's safety and security practices, important changes to internal policies or model specifications, and new capabilities of public concern. It could also conduct and publish its own postmortems of safety incidents, and manage the internal whistleblower hotline. Finally, the nonprofit could take charge of any activities where profit incentives are likely to diverge from the public interest, such as the company's [lobbying efforts](https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/01/21/1110260/openai-ups-its-lobbying-efforts-nearly-seven-fold/#:~:text=OpenAI%20spent%20%241.76%20million%20on,just%20%24260%2C000%20on%20Capitol%20Hill.). It could also begin to use the nonprofit's vast financial resources (deriving from its majority stake in the company) to make grants to support both beneficial uses of AI and risk mitigation efforts. As AI development continues apace and with [no prospects](https://time.com/7297580/ai-moratorium-senate-big-beautiful-bill/) for meaningful Federal regulation on the horizon, an empowered nonprofit board is more important than ever. The nonprofit's activities could serve not only as oversight for OpenAI itself, but also as a blueprint for others. For instance, standards for transparency and third-party review piloted at OpenAI could provide a starting point for future regulation. OpenAI's next steps will determine the trajectory of the company for years to come. Instead of irreversibly abandoning its commitments to the public's interest, it could step back from the brink and reaffirm them, by enhancing the nonprofit board's ability to fulfill its duty of oversight. OpenAI's nonprofit soul can still be saved—but it may require the public to make itself heard as the organization's rightful beneficiary. ## Transcript Sam thank you again for being here backstage Sam said this was the most fun thing. He'd be doing all week. So I hope you don't have a lot of questions for you. I appreciate your time. The first one I think on the minds of many people in the room tonight hell happened. It's a good opener. Thank you a lot of things year like in the context of everything that has happened to us this last 3 weeks or month or whatever. It's been. It stands out but not as much as you would think it should we we kind of like went from this unknown research lab to this like reasonably well-known tech company in a year and I think it takes most companies like 10 years that's been a wild experience to live through. Of course, these last few weeks have been particularly crazy sort of like painful and exhausting and happy to like be back to work. To say something like empathetic. I think everybody involved in this as we get closer and closer to superintelligence. everybody involved gets more stressed and we're anxious and we realize the stakes are higher and higher and I think that all exploded how do you think this moment has changed open app? It's extremely painful for me personally, but actually it's been great for opening. I I we've never been more unified. We have never been more assertive determined focused and we always said that some woman like this would come between where we were in an ending HEI, but I think we are stronger for having gone through it. I wouldn't wish it on the enemy, but it did. It did have an extremely positive effect on the company. What did you learn from it? I haven't looked fully recompiled reality. I like I didn't I meant the X like emotionally process all of this because it was like it all happened so fast and then I'd like to come back in and pick up the pieces that I haven't had time. I'd like to sit down and really reflect as much as I would like but I would say the most important thing that I learned a thing I had always heard. It's like a cliche or whatever. Is that your job as a CEO is how much like the people you hire and how much you develop into your team in all of this craziness was realizing that the executive team could totally run the company without me. I can go retire open. I'll be fine and I'm super proud of the people to do that and to watch them work at a time where I can really talk to them, but they did an amazing job. really made me very proud and also made me very optimistic because I think as we do get closer to artificial general intelligence is the stakes increase year the ability for the opening-night team to operate in uncertainty and stressful times is like really that should be of interest to the world. You describe me how high the stakes are here. What do you say to someone who says the company brought itself to the brink of self-destruction. How can we trust its leader? And how can we trust this company with this transformative technology? We have to make changes. We always said that we didn't want HEI to be controlled by a small set of people we wanted to be democratized and we clearly got that wrong. So I think if we don't make if we don't improve our governance structure, if we don't improve our the way, we interact with the world people shouldn't but we're very motivated to improve that on those changes your former co-founder Elon Musk former person of the year has described openai is a close Source maximum profit company effectively crows effectively controlled by Microsoft. on all of those topics and any others are actually in spite of his like constant attacks on open and I am very grateful that you want exists in the world because I think he's done some amazing things. I think the transition to electric vehicles a super-important. I think getting to space is super important. And I'm grateful for those things. You know, we're definitely not maximum profit-seeking. Although you could talk to you on about some of his Ventures for that one and We open-source a lot of stuff will open source more in the future, and we're certainly not controlled by Microsoft. and I think I'll let is something that someone can say but does not actually reflect the truth. I thought on a question about another competitor Google release Gemini last week model that Google claims outperforms cpt-4 on 94. Foreman says, what do you make of Gemini and why did it take them so long to release I'm happy for more people to make an AR progress. I think I think AI will be the most the single most transformative technology of this era. And so more people doing that. I think it's great. When did Big Gemini model? I forget what it's called an inch of my ultra when that gets released sometime next year. We'll get to look at it. I can weigh in on it. Then certainly has been a lot of confusion around the metrics, but I'm I'm sure Google do great work. In an interview earlier this year with Edward Felsenthal. Oh, you said my predecessors time editor-in-chief. You said I am in midwestern zoo. I think that's fully explains. My mental model. It is a true you still feeling like I think it's like a compressed one sentence to like explain everything about what I think that's pretty good as a as a New England to do I have to ask you how does Judy Judaism shape your worldview? And what has it been like to have been a Jewish leader since October 7th. You know if you had asked me this question is beginning a year. I would have said there's all of these like subtle but important cultural things that have I mean shaped my worldview and I act and how I should live my life. And I wouldn't have talked about anything. Other than that. And one of the one of the weird things about being Jewish and getting internet famous is like most of your online experience is people saying like horrible things about Jews and I don't that was always the case or if that's like ramped-up, but that's certainly been my experience this year and on double time since since last couple of months. I think I was just like wrong to be so dismissive of this. I was like look anti-Semitism we're done with that. The world has moved on. There's other problems. Let's talk about those and I have really seen enough of this last year in particular is last couple of months that I was just completely wrong about that. It's like a sad sad thing for the world or someone who likes to take on intractable problems as you thought about that. You know, how do you think about Solutions towards. That one seems harder than a GI. At speaking typical problems. Next year is a historic here for democracy. There will be elections in 40 countries. Are you concerned at all about ai's ability to contribute the disinformation and our do you have a specific concerns that you think we're not taking seriously enough? Yeah, so I think AJ will be the most powerful technology Humanity has yet invented and like any other previous powerful technology that will lead to incredible new things. I think we'll see education change deeply and improved forever. I think the kids that start kindergarten today by the time they graduated 12th grade will be smarter and better prepared than the best kids are today. I think that's great the same thing a lot of other things Healthcare people who program for a living a lot of other notes work, but there are going to be real down sides and one of those I mean there be many it will have to mitigate but one of us is going to be around The persuasive ability of these models and the ability for them to affect elections next year and I think we're going to really confront something quite challenging. What's it going to look like? You could have took so right now it's like troll farms in whatever foreign country or try to interfere with our elections. They make one great Meme and that spreads out and do the same thing on Twitter or Facebook or whatever. That'll continue to happen. That'll get better. But I think I'm more concerned about is what happens if an AI reads everything you've ever written online every article every tweet every everything and then right at the exact moment send you one message customized for you that really changed the way you think about the world that's like a new kind of interference. That just wasn't possible for a I I find in most conversation with you people are processing Their Fear. So if you'll allow me is a good or bad for media. One thing I would say is no one knows what happens next. I think the way technology goes predictions are often wrong. The future is like subtle and nuanced and dependent on many branch and probabilities to be honest answer is I don't know but I think it's going to be more good than bad. It will be bad in all sorts of ways, but I think it knocked out to something good as people have more free time more attention and also care more about the people they trust to help them make sense of the world to help them. Decide what to trust and how to think about a complicated issue. I think they're going to rely and care more about their relationship with someone in the media one more care more about high quality information in a world of like massive amounts of generated content. So I think it should be next good but it will be different. How do you think about your company's role in your role in helping to preserve an ecosystem? We're high quality information remains. It's obviously super important to us the but that's like a sort of empty statement the kinds of things that we try to do our build tools that are help with the people if two people in media and other Industries, if you had asked us five years ago, I was going to happen we would have said we will be able to build trust and responsible AI but fundamentally it's going to be going off and doing his thing and now I think we see a path to what we do is instead build tools for people and we put these tools out into the world and People Media or otherwise use them to architect the future and that is the most optimistic thing. I think we have discovered in our history and the the safety story changes in that world the way that we are responsible actor in society changes in that world. I think we now see a path. We just Empower everyone on Earth to do what they do more and better and that's That's so exciting. That's so different than how I thought I was going to go but I'm so happy about it speaking about where AI is going to go one of the challenges. I think we had in talking about the work that you've done and that opening is doing is helping people understand you were vision of of what artificial general intelligence means for our future and so can you help this broom understand how their lives will be changed. You said you can't predict the future but as we move forward, What will a g i mean for all of us? I think the two winners many like important forces towards the future, but I think the two most important ones are artificial intelligence and energy if we can make abundance intelligence for the world and if we can create a bond energy than our ability to have amazing ideas for our children to like teach themselves more than ever before for people to be more productive to offer Better Health Care to uplift the economy and actually put those things into action with energy. I think those are two massive massive things. Now they come with the insides and so it's on us to figure out how to make this safe and how to read like responsibly put this in the hands of people but I think we see a path now where the world gets much more abundant and much better every year and people have the ability to do way way more than we can possibly imagine today and I think he was the year. We started to see that 2024 Wilsey way more of it and by the time like the end of this decade rolls around in the world is going to be in a unbelievably better place. It sounds sort of like Cillian Syfy optimism to say this, but maybe if you think about how different the world can be not only one every person has a And it today they have liked activity. It's like not very good. But next they have like the world's best chief of staff. And then after that every person has like a company of 20 or 50 experts they can work super well together and after that everybody has a company of 10,000 experts in every field they can work super well together and if someone wants to go focus on trying to see if they can do that in this one wants to focus on making grade art they can do that. But if you think about, you know, the cost of intelligence and need the quality of intelligence the cost fall into quality increasing by a lot and what people can do with that. It's like a very different world. It's the world at Syfy has promised us for a long time. And enter the first time I think we could just start to like see what that's going to look like two quick questions to wrap up this conversation. And again, thank you for being here disqualify yourself in consideration. And remember there are a lot of CEOs in the room tonight who should be the new 2023 CEO of the year if not you. There are a lot of good choices for that. I mean, I'm biased on this I do think a I was sort of the most. Exciting impactful thing happen this year. So I give it to one of the other AI companies, but I'm like really by who they answer a much harder question to end this conversation. What is your favorite Taylor Swift song? That is a hard question to pick like a nut soon. Probably don't know what their wildest dreams but Sam Altman X 2023 CD of the Year. 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