--- title: Who Runs the Vatican Between Popes? description: Meet the Irish-American Camerlengo and Italian dean who are in charge of administering the Church during this interim period. canonical: https://time.com/7279296/pope-death-vatican-camerlengo-kevin-farrell-cardinals-dean-re-conclave/ author: Chad de Guzman article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2025-04-22T09:45:00.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-03-11T00:18:26.363Z article:section: World og:title: Who Runs the Vatican Between Popes? og:description: Meet the Irish-American Camerlengo and Italian dean who are in charge of administering the Church during this interim period. og:url: https://time.com/7279296/pope-death-vatican-camerlengo-kevin-farrell-cardinals-dean-re-conclave/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt54ecf5c6b06bee60/6998c5f3e1ba00050298d7b8/kevin-farrell-announcement-pope-death.jpg?branch=production&width=2400&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 1200 og:image:height: 675 og:image:alt: Kevin Farrell og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: Who Runs the Vatican Between Popes? twitter:description: Meet the Irish-American Camerlengo and Italian dean who are in charge of administering the Church during this interim period. twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt54ecf5c6b06bee60/6998c5f3e1ba00050298d7b8/kevin-farrell-announcement-pope-death.jpg?branch=production&width=2400&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 ---  # Who Leads the Catholic Church Between Popes? > Sponsored content. 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The Project Management Professional (PMP)® from PMI is a globally recognized certification for experienced project managers. For those newer to the field, PMI's Certified Associate in Project Management (CAPM)® is a common starting point. Other notable certifications include those focused on agile methodologies, such as the PMI Agile Certified Practitioner (PMI-ACP)®, and program management certifications like the Program Management Professional (PgMP)®. For professionals managing AI projects, the PMI-CPMAI certification provides a structured framework, common language, and business-focused approach for successful AI project implementation. #### How does PMI support career growth for professionals? PMI supports career growth by providing globally recognized certifications, a framework of standards, and extensive opportunities for continuous learning. Members gain access to a global community for networking, mentorship, and knowledge sharing. The organization also produces research and thought leadership on emerging trends, helping professionals stay current with skills in areas like AI, agile practices, and strategic business management. These resources are designed to help professionals at all levels enhance their skills and advance their careers. #### What is the PMBOK® Guide? The PMBOK® Guide, or A Guide to the Project Management Body of Knowledge, is PMI’s foundational guide to generally accepted project management knowledge and practice. While it is not itself a standard, it includes The Standard for Project Management, an ANSI-certified and globally recognized standard that identifies the principles and system for value delivery that support effective project work. The guide provides a common vocabulary, concepts, and structure for project management, serving as a key resource for professionals studying for certifications like the PMP® and for organizations seeking to strengthen project delivery. #### How is AI changing project management? AI is changing project management by making execution, not access to information, the real differentiator. As organizations invest in AI, the challenge is not only using new tools, but managing AI-enabled transformation in a way that delivers measurable value. Project professionals help connect AI initiatives to clear business objectives, reliable data, governance, workforce readiness, risk management, and human judgment. 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Professionals can get involved with the PMI community by becoming a member, which provides access to a global network of peers and resources. Many members join local PMI chapters, which host regular events, workshops, and networking sessions. Online, PMI's projectmanagement.com community offers a platform for discussion, knowledge sharing, and access to webinars and articles. Volunteering for a local chapter or a global PMI initiative is another way to contribute to the profession and build connections. #### What is the difference between PMP and CAPM? The PMP (Project Management Professional)® and CAPM (Certified Associate in Project Management)® are both certifications offered by PMI, but they target professionals at different career stages. The CAPM is an entry-level certification designed for individuals with little or no project experience, validating their understanding of fundamental project management knowledge and terminology. The PMP is for experienced project managers and requires a combination of formal education and years of documented project leadership experience, making it a more advanced and globally recognized certification. #### How does PMI support social impact? PMI supports social impact by helping individuals, nonprofits, NGOs, and communities use project management to turn purpose into measurable outcomes. Through the PMI Educational Foundation, PMI expands access to project management education for youth worldwide, including underserved and underrepresented populations. Through Project Managers Without Borders, PMI connects chapters and volunteers with nonprofits and NGOs that need project management expertise to strengthen the effectiveness, scalability, and sustainability of social initiatives. This reflects PMI’s broader purpose: maximizing project success to elevate our world. ### Sources * Project Management Institute | [pmi.org](/c/pmi-2026-q3/home?i=0493a683-eee9-4296-866e-a04e7551f7e4&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI, "Earning Power: Project Management Salary Survey—Fourteenth Edition" | [pmi.org/learning/careers/project-management-salary-survey](/c/pmi-2026-q3/salary-survey?i=0493a683-eee9-4296-866e-a04e7551f7e4&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI, "Global Project Management Talent Gap" | [pmi.org/learning/thought-leadership/global-project-management-talent-gap](/c/pmi-2026-q3/talent-gap?i=0493a683-eee9-4296-866e-a04e7551f7e4&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI, "Maximizing Project Success" | [pmi.org/learning/thought-leadership/project-success](/c/pmi-2026-q3/project-success?i=0493a683-eee9-4296-866e-a04e7551f7e4&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI, “Pulse Report 2025: Boosting Business Acumen” | [pmi.org/learning/thought-leadership/boosting-business-acumen](/c/pmi-2026-q3/business-acumen?i=0493a683-eee9-4296-866e-a04e7551f7e4&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI, “Pulse of the Profession® 2026: Driving Success in Complex Projects” | [pmi.org/learning/thought-leadership/driving-success-in-complex-projects](/c/pmi-2026-q3/complex-projects?i=0493a683-eee9-4296-866e-a04e7551f7e4&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI, “Step Up: Redefining the Path to Project Success with M.O.R.E.” | [pmi.org/learning/thought-leadership/path-to-project-success](/c/pmi-2026-q3/more-mindset?i=0493a683-eee9-4296-866e-a04e7551f7e4&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) * PMI Education Foundation, PMIEF 2024 Annual Report, [pmi.org PMIEF 2024 Annual Report (PDF)](/c/pmi-2026-q3/pmief-report?i=0493a683-eee9-4296-866e-a04e7551f7e4&cr=agentads-creative-pmi-v1) ### FAQ structured data (JSON-LD, optional)  by [Chad de Guzman](https://time.com/author/chad-de-guzman/)  ## Chad de Guzman Reporter Apr 22, 2025 9:45 AM UTC  Cardinal Kevin Farrell announces the death of Pope Francis from the Vatican on April 21, 2025. Cardinal Kevin Farrell announces the death of Pope Francis from the Vatican on April 21, 2025.Vatican Media/Vatican Pool/Getty Images  by [Chad de Guzman](https://time.com/author/chad-de-guzman/)  ## Chad de Guzman Reporter Apr 22, 2025 9:45 AM UTC The film [_Conclave_](https://time.com/7098657/conclave-review/) begins with the death of the Pope. It then follows the chain of events from that moment to the election of a new Pope, following a few characters—portrayed by a cast that won the top honor at the Screen Actors Guild Awards—who play key roles. In real life, after the [death of Pope Francis on April 21](https://time.com/5762436/pope-francis-dies-obituary/), Cardinals Kevin Farrell, a 77-year-old Irish-American, and Giovanni Battista Re, a 91-year-old Italian, will take the places of actors John Lithgow and Ralph Fiennes, as the _Camerlengo_, or Chamberlain, of the Holy Roman Church and Dean of the College of Cardinals, respectively. Here’s what to know about the two Catholic leaders’ backgrounds and duties during the critical _interregnum_ period for the Vatican. **Read More:** [_How a New Pope Is Chosen—and Who It Could Be_](https://time.com/7278963/new-pope-election-process-conclave-cardinals-candidates-francis-death-successor/) ## Who is the Camerlengo? Farrell’s first task on Monday morning was to [announce](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biXz3cMbw94) Francis’ death to the world. Later that evening, he oversaw the sealing of the doors to the papal apartments where Francis lived. As Camerlengo of the Holy Roman Church, a position he was appointed to by Francis in 2019, Farrell is charged with “safeguarding and administering the goods and temporal rights of the Holy See,” according to the [Apostolic Constitution](https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost%5Fconstitutions/documents/hf%5Fjp-ii%5Fapc%5F22021996%5Funiversi-dominici-gregis.html). Following the death of a Pope, the Camerlengo becomes effectively the interim administrative leader of the Church, tasked with observing a set of traditions as well as following the late Pope’s wishes. After certifying and announcing the Pope’s death and sealing the papal apartments, he must also destroy the Pope’s Fisherman’s Ring and lead _bulla_ used as a signet. The Camerlengo is also tasked with overseeing funeral arrangements and preparing for the conclave—or the election of a new Pope. **Read More**: [_What to Know About Funeral Arrangements for Pope Francis_](https://time.com/7279127/pope-francis-funeral-rites-what-to-know/) While the position is powerful and influential in the Vatican during this time, it is rare for a Camerlengo to be chosen as the next pontiff—according to the [_Times_](https://www.thetimes.com/world/ireland-world/article/cardinal-farrell-vatican-chair-conclave-pope-francis-xfnlp7776) of London, historically only two Popes, Leo XIII in 1878 and Pius XII in 1939, ascended to the papacy from the prior position of Camerlengo. ## What to know about Kevin Farrell  Farrell puts a seals on the papal apartment of the Apostolic Palace in Vatican City on April 21, 2025. Vatican Media/Vatican Pool/Getty Images Farrell was born on Sept. 2, 1947, in Dublin, Ireland, but has lived elsewhere for his adult life, including a large period spent in the U.S., where he became a naturalized citizen. Farrell obtained undergraduate and graduate degrees in Spain and Italy, according to [his Vatican biography. (He also later earned an MBA and honorary Doctor of Laws degree from Notre Dame.) ](https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/documentation/cardinali%5Fbiografie/cardinali%5Fbio%5Ffarrell%5Fk.html) [Following in the footsteps of his older brother Brian, Farrell ](https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/documentation/cardinali%5Fbiografie/cardinali%5Fbio%5Ffarrell%5Fk.html)entered the Legionaries of Christ congregation in 1966 and was ordained a priest in 1978 in Rome. (Brian Farrell served as the secretary of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity from 2002 until his retirement in 2024.) As a priest, Farrell first served in Mexico as chaplain at the University of Monterrey. In 1984, he transferred to the archdiocese of Washington, where he served parishes in the District of Columbia and surrounding region. In 2001, Pope John Paul II appointed Farrell as auxiliary bishop of Washington, where he served as vicar general for administration and moderator of the Curia until 2007\. From 2002 until 2006, Farrell [worked and lived](https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/46198/analysis-what-does-cardinal-farrells-promotion-say-about-the-mccarrick-report) with then-Archbishop of Washington Theodore McCarrick—the infamous former cardinal [who was defrocked in 2019 by Pope Francis following a Vatican probe](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/05/former-washington-archbishop-theodore-mccarrick-defrocked-over-abuse-allegations-dies-aged-94) into allegations of sexual abuse of minors and adults. Farrell has repeatedly denied prior knowledge of his former supervisor’s wrongdoing. In 2007, Farrell was appointed bishop of Dallas. In 2016, following Francis’ ascension after Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation in 2013, Farrell was [tapped](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pope-francis-taps-dallas-bishop-kevin-farrell-to-promote-life-family-issues/) for a Vatican role leading the new Dicastery for the Laity, the Family and Life. The same year, he was made a cardinal. Farrell, according to a [2016 CBS News report](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pope-francis-taps-dallas-bishop-kevin-farrell-to-promote-life-family-issues/), is known as “a moderate with a warm, friendly approach.” He is largely perceived to agree with the late Pope on doctrinal issues, and has supported the late Pope’s [hopes for larger reforms in the Catholic Church](https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2022/06/22/cardinal-kevin-farrell-finance-laity-interview-243211). Farrell has echoed Francis’ [calls for increasing women’s participation](https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2023-03/cardinal-farrell-on-ten-year-transformation-of-pope-francis.html) in the church, though he controversially [banned](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/mary-mcaleese-barred-by-vatican-from-conference-on-women-1.3377099) former Irish President Mary McAleese—who supports women’s ordination—from speaking at a Vatican event in 2018\. Farrell has also echoed Francis’ defense of migrants’ rights, having previously written in a blog, per CBS, that “immigration reform is a moral issue.” In 2017 and [2018](https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/38807/cardinal-farrell-again-says-priests-have-no-credibility-for-marriage-prep), Farrell caused controversy after saying that “priests are not the best people to train others for marriage.” In what was largely [seen as a vote of confidence](https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/02/pope-taps-farrell-for-key-role-in-papal-transition-despite-mccarrick-questions), Francis nominated Farrell in 2019 to the Camerlengo post. Farrell’s subsequent appointments also hinted at the late Pope’s continued trust in him: he was named president of the Commission for Confidential Matters in 2020, chair of the Pontifical Committee for Investments in 2022, and president of the Vatican City State Supreme Court in 2023\. [_Buy a copy of the Pope Francis cover here_](https://magazineshop.us/popefrancis) In [a 2022 interview with Catholic magazine _America_](https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2022/06/22/cardinal-kevin-farrell-finance-laity-interview-243211), Farrell said he joked with Francis upon accepting the role of Camerlengo, not wanting to give thought to the Pope’s eventual retirement or passing: “I will accept this job Your Holiness, but on one condition, that you preach at my funeral!” ## Who is Giovanni Battista Re and what are his duties?  Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re during a mass in St. Peter’s Basilica in Vatican City on June 29, 2024. Grzegorz Galazka—Mondadori Portfolio/Getty Images Re is the dean of the College of Cardinals, the group of cardinal electors who will choose the next Pope. Born on Jan. 30, 1934 in the Italian commune of Borno, Re is one of the longest-serving senior cardinals in the Vatican. According to [his Vatican biography](https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/documentation/cardinali%5Fbiografie/cardinali%5Fbio%5Fre%5Fgb.html), Re holds a doctorate in canon law, and was ordained for the diocese of Brescia, where he taught in a seminary before entering the Holy See’s diplomatic service, for which he served missions in Panama and Iran. In 2001, Pope John Paul II proclaimed Re as a cardinal. Re was elected dean in 2020 and was set to serve a five-year term until Francis [extended](https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-02/college-of-cardinals-pope-extends-terms-of-dean-and-vice-dean.html) it in February. In 2020, [_America_](https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2020/01/25/cardinal-giovanni-battista-re-new-dean-college-cardinals) described Re as someone who “knows the Roman Curia like few others.” According to the [Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominici Gregis](https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost%5Fconstitutions/documents/hf%5Fjp-ii%5Fapc%5F22021996%5Funiversi-dominici-gregis.html), the dean is tasked with communicating news of the Pope’s death, alongside the Camerlengo, and summoning the conclave. The dean technically does not hold authority over the cardinal electors, simply presiding over their congregations. Previous deans have wielded considerable influence. Joseph Ratzinger was elected dean of the College of Cardinals in 2002, and three years later, he presided over Pope John Paul II’s funeral and was elected to be the next Pope, taking on the name Benedict XVI. While typically the dean would preside over the conclave, neither Re nor his vice dean Cardinal Leonardo Sandri can participate this time because they are both over the age of 80\. The administrative responsibilities during the vote will pass to the next most senior member of the College of Cardinals. 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