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TIME Editor-in-Chief Sam Jacobs had a wide-ranging conversation with the leader named TIME’s 2024 CEO of the Year, Lisa Su, chair and CEO of Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) on Dec. 11 over dinner in New York City._  by [Olivia B. Waxman](https://time.com/author/olivia-b-waxman/)  ## Olivia B. Waxman Staff Writer Dec 12, 2024 4:00 AM UTC TIME Editor-in-Chief Sam Jacobs had a wide-ranging conversation with the leader named TIME’s 2024 CEO of the Year, Lisa Su, chair and CEO of Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) on Dec. 11 over dinner in New York City.  by [Olivia B. Waxman](https://time.com/author/olivia-b-waxman/)  ## Olivia B. Waxman Staff Writer Dec 12, 2024 4:00 AM UTC TIME Editor-in-Chief Sam Jacobs had a wide-ranging conversation with the leader named TIME’s 2024 CEO of the Year, [Lisa Su](https://time.com/7200909/ceo-of-the-year-2024-lisa-su/), chair and CEO of Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) on Dec. 11 over dinner in New York City. Coinciding with the rollout of TIME’s Person of the Year issue, the “Year in TIME” event also featured a conversation with TIME’s 2024 “Athlete of the Year,” WNBA star [Caitlin Clark](https://time.com/7200904/athlete-of-the-year-2024-caitlin-clark/), and a performance by the 2024 Icon of the Year, the EGOT (Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, and Tony) award-winning musician [Elton John](https://time.com/7201151/icon-of-the-year-2024-elton-john/). Semiconductors, or chips, power computers, phones, cars, internet services, and artificial intelligence programs. Whether it’s sending emails, buying something online, streaming movies, chatting with an AI assistant—there’s a good chance that an AMD chip is behind some of the computing capabilities. In the decade that Su, an engineer, has been at the helm of the computing juggernaut, the overall value of AMD surpassed rival Intel’s for the first time and its stock trades at a nearly 50-fold increase since she took over. While it’s unclear what President Donald Trump’s second term will mean for her industry, Su is cautiously optimistic, stating, “We are optimistic about business.” However, Su was much more certain about the potential of AI to bring about transformative change in all aspects of society. She called AI “the most important technology that I’ve certainly seen in my career.” Even though AI is only in its “very, very beginning” stage, she predicted it will be “10 times more amazing 12 months from now.” Jacobs pointed out that many of the most advanced chips are made [outside of the U.S.](https://time.com/6102879/semiconductor-chip-shortage-tsmc/) When he asked her when they would be made in the U.S. she estimated three to five years. She explained that chips only became a hot-button political issue relatively recently, citing the [semiconductor shortage](https://time.com/6075425/semiconductor-chip-shortage/) that started during the COVID-19 pandemic. Since then, there has been a lot more investment in this area. Then Jacobs brought up her competitors, Nvidia and Intel. Intel’s CEO Pat Gelsinger recently stepped down, and when Su was asked who should replace him, she did not name names but said she has “a lot of respect for Pat as a colleague” and emphasized that the role is “a tough job.” When Jacobs asked whether President Joe Biden’s administration has encouraged her to merge AMD with Intel, she said no. Despite the rivalries, Su said “there are multiple winners in this market” and that semiconductor companies need one another: “We’re partnering with many of the companies in the semiconductor industry because no one company has all of the good ideas. It is a place where we absolutely have to come together. There are places where we’re going to compete, and there are places where we’re going to collaborate.” In his final question, Jacobs pointed out that sometimes the most important decisions leaders make is _not_ to do something and asked Su if she would share an example. Su said that sometimes her board will ask her why AMD is not making popular small computer devices like phones or tablets. She argues that AMD has to stick to what it does best: making the underlying technology, joking, “Big computers were not sexy 10 years ago, but they’re kind of sexy now.” Jacobs responded, “Well, Lisa Su, thank you for making supercomputers sexy.” _A Year in TIME was presented by American Family Insurance, Absolut, Land O’Lakes, and Nike_. ## Transcript Lisa, thank you so much for being here tonight with your husband. We're honored to have you here as times 2024, CEO of the Year. I will start with an easy question. President Trump takes office in a few weeks. Will the new administration be good or bad for the chip industry? Why don't we go back to the Kate and Clark, like numbers, you know? I like that. That was a very nice introduction. First of all, Sam, Jess, you know, thank you so much. This is such an honor to be here and such an honor to be amongst this company. Oh, the truth is, you know, we all think about what might happen. But the most important thing for our business and probably most businesses is just having certainty on what's going to happen. So, you know, since the election, I think all of us in business have been, you know, thinking about, you know, just what the next four years projects, and I think we are optimistic about, you know, business. We're optimistic about the opportunities. Obviously, in the semiconductor world, for us and chips, we're a little bit of a sensitive topic. Sure. In the We'll get into that. Yes, but, But overall, I think, certainty is a good thing. Good. Um, you have in the past, called AI the most transformational technology you've seen in your career. I'm curious for this crowd, what do most people get wrong about AI? Well, let me ask. So how many people in the audience, like, use AI every day? That's pretty good. That's pretty I think that is the most amazing thing. That's why I believe AI is the most important technology that I've certainly seen in my career. And, you know, back to what, you know, people may not quite understand is two things. One is, we're at the very, very, very beginning. Of AI. So whatever you think you're doing today, that seems amazing, it's going to be ten times more amazing, like, even 12 months from now, because we're at the very early part of the learning curve. And because we're learning, it's not always going to be right. And so the fact that AI is not right today doesn't mean that it's not the most important, you know, technology ever. And, you know, Sarah sitting right here at our table, you know, the street always wants the answer today or tomorrow. It might take a little bit longer than that, but I think over the next this is a five to ten year cycle that we're in. And we're at the very beginning of the cycle, and that's what's so, you know, exciting about it. I'd love to get into some of the geopolitical issues that you and your company sit across. Today, AMD's most advanced chips are made outside the United States. When will they be made here? So, you know, I would I would maybe even take a step back and say, you know, five years ago, nobody thought about where chips were made, right? Nobody thought about where do you get your next chip. And that is what has really changed for our industry is, you know, chips are now at the backbone of everything. Like everything you do, whether it's something in your business or something in your home or, you know, something in your community, you know, goes through, like, probably thousands of chips a day, and that's what makes it so important. And I think the turning point was actually during the pandemic, when people couldn't get enough chips. Like, if you remember, you know, people were wondering, like, why were, you know, the cars, you know, constrained because you didn't have enough chips? Why couldn't you get your computers when you needed it? And that's when it became important as to where you can actually manufacture chips. So yes, from a political standpoint, geopolitical standpoint, it wasn't that important five or ten years ago. So it wasn't something the United States focused on. And since then, it's become super important. It's become, you know, with the hips act and everything else. And actually, what that has done is it's put so much more investment into this area over the last few years. So, you know, I think it will take us probably the next five plus years to rebuild manufacturing the United States. But it's going, and it's actually going faster than, you know, some might have thought. To go back to my question, will you be able to make your most advanced chips in the United States? We will. And that will be in five years? I would say in the next three to five years, you'll start seeing the most advanced chips. We move that forward, three years, I like that. Yes. Okay. Well, in Arizona right now, I mean, Arizona is like the center of some of the most advanced chips in the country, and we're getting our first chips off the line, and they're looking quite good. You talked about at being at the beginning of this cycle, there are some reports that AI is actually plateauing. Isn't that bad news for AMD? I First of all, I don't agree with them. Why not? Because again, this is the view of whenever we see technology cycles, they're actually arcs. So, you know, you get a new innovation, and it takes you so far. And then you need the next new innovation, and it takes you the next, you know, five plus years, and then you see the next. And I think we're just at the initial waves of AI. So today, what people want is larger and larger computers. Like, you talk about supercomputers. We just had every six months, they talk about they rank. Actually, the fastest supercomputers, and we just had a couple of supercomputers that were just built. We'll have a faster one. Like a year from now. And the innovation that happens when you have all of this engineering talent come together, there are lots of new ideas, lots of new algorithms out there, and probably what I find most exciting about AI is that you can think about AI solving a broad set of issues. Like, you think about Chachi PT today. You can ask it questions. We're talking about some of the things that you might do with time. You can see the ability to transfer lots of general information. But there's also a really interesting part of AI that how you can go really deep and solve some of the world's hardest problems, like this idea that, you know, you can accelerate the rate and pace of medical discovery. Like, I'm really interested in how AI and healthcare come together because, you know, healthcare is so personal to all of us, right? We all have um, you know, family, you know, friends that have been, you know, impacted by various diseases. If we can accelerate drug discovery, if we can accelerate finding, you know, some of these the next wave, I believe you can do that with the next set of AI. So I don't think we're anywhere near plateauing. I think you might need to do it a different way. And we've always had this notion as engineers that when you reach a roadblock, you find your next set of ideas to go forward. Well, speaking of doing it in a different way, AI requires a massive amount of energy. Is it making our climate worse? Is it harming our planet? I think we are we are all in this place where, you know, power is one of the key things that we think about. How do we get enough energy for what we want to do? You do need a lot of energy to run these, you know, massively powerful systems. I think AI can also help us conserve actually energy. The sense that it'll help us solve problems in a different way so that you won't have to necessarily take as long. Like, one of the most interesting parts of AI is it should be able to, you know, kind of help us get to the answer, you know, some problems that might have taken um, months or even years to simulate. Like, if you think about some of the latest discoveries latest drug discoveries and how long things take, you can imagine a time when that might be done in days or weeks. And so that's how you see the trade off between energy and, and, you know, more computing power. China just opened an antitrust investigation into Invidia. Are you worried that a geopolitical fight between China and the US will harm your business? So there's a lot of discussion about, you know, the US and China and what that means. Clearly, chips have become something that are so important from a national security standpoint, and, you know, we recognize that. There are some chips, for example, that are so special that we can't ship to China, that we can't ship to certain other restricted countries. Um I think balance is always important in these things. Look, China is also an important market for us. We think about, you know, China as there are lots and lots of uses of semiconductors, and we like to have balance in this. It's so important, you know, you know, we talked about the new administration at the top. What's really important is for there to be a good dialogue between, you know, sort of the public sector and the private sector. I think there's a lot of partnerships that are necessary. That's true in most industries, that's certainly very true in our industry. And, you know, the key is that, you know, we want to have the ability to protect national security while also ensuring that, you know, we have access to the Chinese market. Those who work with you say you're a competitive person. Is that okay? It's fantastic. Is there a day when AMD will be bigger than in Video? You know, Competition is a good thing, but one doesn't, you know, I believe that there are multiple winners in this market. And the key for us is are we putting out new technology? Are we putting out technology that is changing the world? Are we helping solve some of the world's most important problems? Those are really, really important. And at the end of the day, you know, who's bigger, who's smaller? We'll see. We'll see how that plays out. I think the challenge is on. Speaking of competition, there's an opening in the CEO's office at Intel. Who should take it? You know, Sam, this is supposed to be a pleasant dinner, wasn't it? I mean, I think they're having a great time. Look, I have a lot of respect for Pat as a colleague. So I've known him for many, many years. You know, there are It is hard to turn around a semiconductor company. Let me start with that. So there are, you know, the thing about our industry is at the decisions that you make today, you actually won't see the fruits of that labor for, like, five years. I mean, that's the case. It's like a five year cycle. It takes that long to design products, to think about technology, to think about markets going forward. So, you know, I would say it's a tough job. It's a tough job. Has the Biden administration encouraged you to merge with Intel? I think the answer to that question is no. So I can answer that question. I think what we're all looking for is, how do we make the US industry stronger? Alright. You know, the US leads in semiconductors today in semiconductor design, we have been fortunate enough, you know, with Silicon Valley, with all of the intellectual property that we've developed over the last many years for just the innovation in our culture, you know, that goes with start ups, but also with larger, more advanced companies. You know, actually acquired a number of companies over the last few years, and it's added a lot to the equation. You know, we're going to continue to do that. I mean, as an industry, we're going to continue to push the envelope on technology, and, you know, I think that's something that we should be really proud of, right? We want to have the best chips. We want to have the best computers. We want to use those computers to solve the most difficult problems. And, you know, how we do that as an industry, is partnering. Like, actually, you know, we are partnering, you know, with Intel on a number of things. We're partnering with many of the companies in the semiconductor industry because there's no one company that has all of the good ideas. It is a place where we absolutely have to come together, and there are places where we're going to compete, and there are places where we're going to collaborate. I think one of the things that stands out in reading and listening to people talk about your journey as a leader is the points in time where you decided not to do something when people were encouraging you to do that. We often talk about leadership as what you do, but it's just as frequently what you choose not to do. Is there a moment in time a decision that sticks out for you where you said everyone was telling you to go this way, and you said, No, we have to go that. Probably the most striking moment in time is, you know, whenever you think about technology, people always are most interested in what you're doing today. Like, what's the fad of today. So when I first took over as CEO, it was 2014 in 2015 time frame. And the FAD was not FAD is not the right word, but the more interesting thing was, you know, you're so excited about your next Apple iPhone, right? You're so excited about the next tablet that you're going to that you're going to buy. And people were asking my board was asking me, Lisa, why are we not like, doing that? Like, why are we not in phones? Why are we not in tablets? And the truth was, you know, those are fine businesses to be in, but they're not AMD. Like, AMD, we build big computers. That's what we do. We build big computers. And many of you may not have heard about AMD, certainly, you know, ten years ago, maybe five years ago. Hopefully, in the last year, you've heard us from time to time, we build big computers, and big computers were not sexy. Um, ten years ago. But they're kind of sexy now, right? I mean, no, you're talking to me about AI. I'm lucky enough to sit amongst this audience. And, um, I think that's the key. The key is to be very clear on what you want to be best at, and it doesn't have to be the most popular thing, but it has to be something that you know will make a difference. Well, Lisa Su, thank you for making supercomputer sexy. 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