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Person of the Year is a marker of influence, and few individuals have had more influence than Musk on life on Earth, and potentially life off Earth too. In 2021, Musk emerged not just as the world’s richest person but also as perhaps the richest example of a massive shift in our society._  by [Raisa Bruner](https://time.com/author/raisa-bruner/)  ## Raisa Bruner Apr 27, 2022 7:55 PM UTC Person of the Year is a marker of influence, and few individuals have had more influence than Musk on life on Earth, and potentially life off Earth too. In 2021, Musk emerged not just as the world’s richest person but also as perhaps the richest example of a massive shift in our society.  by [Raisa Bruner](https://time.com/author/raisa-bruner/)  ## Raisa Bruner Apr 27, 2022 7:55 PM UTC With [Elon Musk](https://time.com/6170696/elon-musk-politics-twitter/) close to claiming a new role as [owner of Twitter](https://time.com/6170647/elon-musk-twitter-harassment-employees/) after a winning bid to purchase it for $44 billion [this week](https://time.com/6170319/elon-musk-buys-twitter/), the billionaire entrepreneur can add the social media app to a long list of business ventures he has led, invested in, and supported over his [lengthy career](https://ti.me/3DLbxKl). Here’s a timeline of Musk’s most notable business endeavors—both successful and not—over the past three decades. ## 1995: Zip2 Along with his brother, Musk founded Zip2, an online business directory, as an online alternative to the standard paper yellow pages. (Google would not launch until 1998.) He sold it for over $300 million in 1999 to Compaq Computer Corporation. Musk was ousted as CEO in 1996, however, when the board of directors decided to install a more experienced leader in his stead. ## 1999: X.com Musk invested some of his windfall from the Zip2 sale into his next venture: X.com, an online bank, launched with three other co-founders. X.com’s business model was innovative for its time, in that it incentivized sign-ups and eased the process of transferring funds digitally, with no need for mail or traditional banking infrastructure. In [an interview with](https://web.archive.org/web/20000302010500/http://cbs.marketwatch.com:80/archive/19991210/news/current/x.htx) CBS MarketWatch at the time of the launch, Musk explained his business: “There are no minimum balances. You can open an account and receive a $20 promotional offer in your checking account. You can move $8 to your S&P fund, $3 each to your money market and bond fund, and be left with $6 in your checking.” He went on to expand more philosophically on the new company: “In my view, the Internet had gone through a couple of stages and was ready for another stage,” he said. “The first stage was where people could trust the Internet for information. This was perhaps ’95 or ’96\. The second was to trust the Internet for purchases and begin to use credit cards online to buy books, toys, pet food and that kind of thing. I think we’re at the third stage now where people are ready to use the Internet as their main financial repository.” ## 2000: PayPal  PayPal Chief Executive Officer Peter Thiel, left, and founder Elon Musk, right, pose with the PayPal logo at corporate headquarters in Palo Alto, Calif. on Oct. 20, 2000. Paul Sakuma—AP X.com merged with software company Confinity just one year later, forming [PayPal](https://time.com/collection-post/5953654/paypal/), a secure online payments platform with a foundation in payments conducted for PalmPilots. PayPal would go on to be one of his most successful companies; Musk and his partners, including Confinity co-founder [Peter Thiel](https://time.com/6092844/peter-thiel-power-biography-the-contrarian/), sold it to eBay in 2002 for a $1.5 billion stock deal. However, it was a rough start. PayPal was named [at one point](http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/paypals-early-failure/) as one of the “worst business ideas” of 1999, and Musk himself was again removed from his role as CEO while on [honeymoon in 2000](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/02/why-elon-musk-says-taking-vacations-will-kill-you.html), replaced by the board with Thiel. After going public on the NASDAQ stock exchange in 2002, eBay snapped up PayPal. They would hold onto PayPal until 2015, spinning it off into a separate entity. ## 2002: SpaceX  SpaceX Chief Engineer Elon Musk speaks with NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine while viewing the OctaWeb, part of the Merlin engine used for the Falcon rockets, at the SpaceX Headquarters, in Hawthorne, Calif. on Oct. 10, 2019. Aubrey Gemignani—NASA/Getty Images Musk next set his sights on a lofty goal: space exploration, and the future colonization Mars. In the past 20 years, [SpaceX](https://time.com/5912411/spacex-crewed-launch-nasa/) has dealt with a series of rocket launch [failures](https://time.com/6146986/space-x-satellites-solar-storm/) and Starship explosions. But it has also become a heavy-hitter in the space industry with a number of records to its name, including being the first private company to send a craft to the International Space Station and send astronauts to orbit. It is known for its reusable rockets. SpaceX is also behind the development of [Starlink](https://time.com/5723924/spacex-broadband-internet-satellites-space/), a constellation of satellites intended to offer commercial internet service around the globe. ## 2002: The Musk Foundation Founded as a 501(c)3 non-profit organization, the Musk Foundation is one of Musk’s least-talked-about endeavors. Its [stated goals](http://www.muskfoundation.org/) including supporting renewable energy and pediatric research and education, and the developing of “safe artificial intelligence to benefit humanity.” Between 2002 and 2018 it handed out [around $25 million](https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/770587507), about half of that to OpenAI, a company owned by Musk himself. (Since 2012, Musk has also been a signatory of The Giving Pledge, in which many of the world’s richest people have committed to giving away the majority of their wealth at some point.) ## 2004: Tesla These days, Musk is perhaps best known for his leadership at [Tesla](https://time.com/6168878/tesla-q1-2022-earnings-increase/), the electric car company named after famed inventor Nikola Tesla. Valued at over $1 trillion at one point in 2021, Tesla was founded in 2003 by two other men; Musk entered a Series A funding round with an investment of $6.5 million, and eventually took an increasingly active role in the company. He has been CEO since 2008\. The Model 3 is the most popular electric car in production today, with over one million units [sold](https://cleantechnica.com/2021/08/26/tesla-model-3-has-passed-1-million-sales/) globally. Tesla has come in for its fair share of [controversy](https://time.com/6148510/tesla-lawsuits-recalls/), however, from dealing with long production and fulfillment delays to safety issues with its vehicles and employee complaints about working conditions and management practices. ## 2006: SolarCity Founded by his cousins in 2006, [SolarCity](https://time.com/money/4432801/tesla-solarcity-low-carbon-lifestyle/) received Musk’s patronage from the offset; he was their primary financial backer. A solar energy company that became the leading residential solar installer in the U.S. by the mid-2010s, SolarCity installed solar energy systems that were leased to residential users. Musk, via Tesla, acquired SolarCity in 2016 for $2.6 billion in stock and incorporated it into its operations as Tesla Energy. ## 2015: OpenAI Musk co-founded OpenAI as a non-profit in 2015, with a for-profit artificial intelligence research lab component; it was started with a $1 billion collective pledge from its founders. Musk has been open about his interest in developing “friendly” AI that supports humanity, but he ended up resigning from the board in 2018 due to conflicts with Tesla’s AI projects. ## 2016: Neuralink Another research endeavor, Musk co-founded Neuralink in 2016 with the goal of working on “brain-machine interfaces,” or BMIs, that can be implanted directly into the body. Neuroscientists have [been skeptical](https://massivesci.com/notes/neuralink-brain-machine-interface-fda-breakthrough-device/) of Neuralink’s research and claims. While they currently conduct experiments on animals, they moved plans to begin working on human subjects to 2022. ## 2016: The Boring Company Founded with the intention of helping dispel city traffic via underground tunnels as a subsidiary of SpaceX, the Boring Company is one of Musk’s side projects. Its aim: build tunnels. They first experimented by tunneling under the SpaceX factory in California. The Boring Company became an independent entity in 2018, and in 2021 completed a tunnel project in Las Vegas to shuttle visitors beneath the Las Vegas Convention Center. It is currently working on further tunnel projects in Las Vegas for underground transport. Other projects are primarily speculative. Musk once spoke boldly about an ambitious “Hyperloop” system, creating tunnels across the country to revolutionize and speed up underground mass transport between cities. However, Hyperloop mentions have been [scrubbed](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/elon-musk-hyperloop/2021/04/16/b340314e-9edd-11eb-9d05-ae06f4529ece%5Fstory.html) from the Boring Company’s website. ## 2022: Twitter After buying up enough stock to make him a majority shareholder by April 1, Musk made the move to purchase Twitter for $44 billion at the end of April. His plans include making Twitter “better than ever” by “enhancing the product with new features, making the algorithms open source to increase trust, defeating the spam bots, and authenticating all humans.” > [](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1518677066325053441) ## Transcript [00:00] Okay, all right, all good. [00:07] So, which living person do you most admire? [00:11] I admire anyone who is making a positive contribution [00:15] to humanity. [00:17] Whether that is an entertainment or technology or, you know, I think anyone who's sort of [00:24] doing things that are really useful to the rest of humanity is, I admire them greatly. [00:46] You know, it's really hard to escape Elon [00:49] Musk's dominance over so many things in American life, right now. [00:53] He's got this rocket company that is completely dominating the space launch [00:58] business. [00:59] He's got a car company that is completely dominating the electric vehicle market. [01:04] He's got 65 million Twitter followers, and he likes to make weird jokes and set people [01:08] off. [01:09] And sometimes with a single tweet, he can control the stock market or the value of various [01:14] different cryptocurrencies. [01:16] So this is a man who's just sort of become ever present across a lot of different sectors. [01:23] And this was really the year that he came into his own. [01:25] His goal is to make humanity a multi-planet [01:29] species. [01:30] And in a time in which NASA has abdicated its operations to put people in low Earth [01:37] orbit. [01:38] And for the time being, at least, put people on the other worlds, SpaceX has stepped in [01:44] like no other private company before it around the world. [01:47] So Elon Musk's wealth is largely tied up in [01:53] Tesla stock. [01:55] He is the not only the CEO, he is its largest shareholder. [02:02] And Tesla is one of the most valuable companies in the country, its market value is more than [02:09] $1 trillion dollars. [02:11] And his wealth is sort of tied up in that company. [02:15] Tesla has dragged the legacy automators into [02:19] the electric vehicle market. [02:21] Yeah. [02:22] Do companies like Ford, GM, Rivian, Lucid, pose a threat to Tesla's dominance? [02:27] Or do you think you guys have so grasp the market at this point that you are going to own it? [02:32] Well, if [02:33] somebody makes better cars than we do, then, [02:35] and they then sell more cars than we do, I think that's totally fine. [02:39] Our intent with Tesla was always that we would serve as an example, to the car industry and [02:44] that, and hope that they also make electric cars so that we can accelerate the transition [02:50] to sustainable energy. [02:52] I'm confident in the future in Tesla that will do well. [02:55] And I hope some of these other companies do well, too. [02:57] Earlier this year, this Tesla crashed into [03:00] a highway divider in California killing the driver, another slammed into a parked fire truck [03:05] in Utah, both had the autopilot feature on. [03:09] There is a federal investigation underway into the [03:12] autopilot software that Tesla has, which despite the name is not autopilot software, it does [03:18] not drive the car for you. [03:20] And people inside Tesla have expressed a lot of skepticism about whether the company's [03:25] technology is eventually going to be able to get there. [03:29] Are the cars safe? [03:31] I mean, should I feel comfortable getting behind the wheel of a Tesla and saying, drive [03:35] me where I need to go? [03:36] Well, the statistics that I think are at this [03:41] point unequivocal, that you know far more accidents off autopilot than on autopilot. [03:47] So this is not to say that autopilot is perfect. [03:49] Now to get to full self driving where you don't need to pay attention, we still obviously [03:54] have a lot of work to do. [03:55] So as we get to the point where interventions are extremely rare even in complex [03:59] traffic situations, and get to the point where the probability of injury with full self driving [04:05] is much lower than whether human driving. [04:07] Right. [04:08] Then obviously at that point, it would make sense to allow the car to drive itself and not have to pay attention. [04:13] So this year, Elon Musk became the world's richest man ever. [04:18] So we asked him about another pressing global problem, and that is income and wealth inequality. [04:25] When it's time to pay taxes, new reporting [04:28] from ProPublica says the nation's top 25 richest people pay little to nothing at all, [04:34] including Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk. [04:37] One of the main criticisms of him is just [04:39] that he's so rich, should any human being be worth $300 billion dollars? [04:47] Yeah, a lot of the push for higher government [04:50] involvements, and expropriation of assets by the government is really pushed by a bunch [04:54] of politicians who are actually saying that resources shouldn't be in control [04:59] of people—of private individuals, they should be in control of the government. [05:05] They're basically saying they want control of the assets. [05:07] I mean, I think in terms of things that people should perhaps get upset about is like, I [05:11] think getting upset about excess consumption is a thing to get upset about. [05:16] But, you know, somebody is just wasting money on personal luxuries in a crazy way. [05:21] You know, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not Warren Buffett's biggest fan, frankly. [05:24] But, you know, he sits there. [05:25] And he reads all these annual reports, which are super boring. [05:28] Does anybody want that job? [05:29] I think most people do. [05:31] No, I don't want that job. [05:33] But like, he's not, he's not like, engaged in like, insane, conspicuous consumption. [05:38] So you have say, like, okay, sure he's got a high net worth, but doesn't— [05:42] he's doing a useful job for the economy, you know, and he's very skilled at it, and should [05:46] probably keep doing it. [05:47] Elon Musk definitely uses Twitter in a way [05:49] that no other business leader does. [05:53] And it's gotten him into a lot of trouble in recent years. [05:55] His twitter feed is juvenile, to say the least [05:58] he has insulted some important people in really immature ways. [06:04] But when a person with 65 million followers and $300 billion dollars, is just having fun, that [06:10] tends to create ripples in the larger pond. [06:13] You are [06:14] not to put too fine a point on it, the richest [06:15] man in the history of the world, and arguably the most influential. [06:21] And yet you tweet freely and playfully and [06:25] mischievously. [06:26] I guess that's—that's accurate. [06:30] So are feuds with policymakers? Or poking Jeff Bezos? [06:33] Is that good for the overall brand? [06:36] Yeah, I don't really think about brand optimization [06:38] to be frank, as lobbyists for my tweets, which are often self inflicted wounds, or humor [06:43] that I find funny, but not necessarily that other many other people find funny, right? [06:47] You know, [06:48] when you say take the red pill, do you worry [06:50] about sending none to— [06:53] I say take both pills. [06:56] But do you worry at all about activating motivating the, you know, political fringe? [07:04] Yeah, actually, when I said take the red pill, I didn't realize that was some like, politically charged phrase— [07:09] Right. [07:10] I'm just referring to "The Matrix". Yeah. [07:15] You know, yeah. [07:16] Like, you know, make sure you accept reality for what it is right? [07:18] And it turns out, it's like, also like some, like, accept right wing dogma thing, or something? [07:22] I don't, I didn't realize that at the time. [07:24] You do have the ability to move markets with [07:27] a tweet, should any one man have that power? [07:30] Well, um, you know, the markets move themselves [07:34] all the time. [07:35] And so, you know, especially Tesla stock has seen some very big changes in value from one [07:40] day to the next based on nothing, as far as I can tell. [07:43] So just statements that I make_ [07:45] are they materially different from random movements of the stock that might happen anyway? [07:51] I don't think so. [07:53] It's not like, you know, stock drops in half or something like that, you know, [07:56] Elon Musk is someone who pursues his goals [07:59] relentlessly. [08:00] And I think that does sometimes make him blind to the potential human toll, the potential [08:05] human cost that, that can create for some of the people who gets sort of ground up in the [08:10] gears of the things he's trying to do. [08:12] You've made statements, downplaying COVID-19, [08:17] you kept your factories open, running at the height of the pandemic. [08:20] Well, [08:21] actually, technically, I think there's a misunderstanding [08:22] there on the on the factories front, [08:24] Tell me about that. [08:25] So other car factories in the United States had started—had restarted. [08:30] Right. [08:31] And we were blocked, only because our car factories in the Bay Area in California. [08:37] So California had actually said, manufacturing can restart. And then Alameda County sided off their own accord that the Tesla could not restart. [08:47] Reopening the factory in Alameda was arguably a poor management choice. [08:52] I think he was aware of the risks that his employees were taking. [08:58] I don't think it was necessarily a fair choice to pressure or invite or ask or instruct employees [09:06] to come back to work. [09:08] Are you vaccinated? [09:09] If I may ask. [09:10] Yeah. I'm very pro-vaccination. [09:13] We've it's the science is unequivocal. [09:14] I treat it to that effect. [09:16] But by the same token, I am against forcing people to be vaccinated. [09:19] You know, I think this is just not something we should do in America. [09:22] I think we should encourage people to be vaccinated, strongly try to convince them to be vaccinated, [09:29] but not force them to be vaccinated or for example, force them to get vaccinated [09:35] or get fired. [09:36] Elon Musk is incredibly influential in the, [09:41] in the cryptocurrency world. [09:44] He's constantly tweeting about his opinions about certain cryptocurrencies versus others. [09:50] He is known as a big proponent of Dogecoin. [09:57] And someone who has in the past taken Tesla's assets and invested those into Bitcoin [10:05] and then sold that Bitcoin at a profit. [10:07] Well, I mean, I could really sort of wax on [10:10] about the nature of money for hours because I played a significant role in creating PayPal. [10:17] And so my understanding of the money system at a fundamental level of how it actually [10:21] works, the detailed mechanics of it is I think there's there very few people that understand it better than [10:26] me. Bitcoin is an interesting example obviously, the prime mover on this, but the transaction [10:32] volume of Bitcoin is low, and the cost per transaction is high, it is at least at [10:39] its base level, suitable for maybe an exchange a store of value, but fundamentally, Bitcoin is [10:46] not a good substitute for transactional currency. [10:53] And even though it was created as a silly joke, Dogecoin is better suited for transactions. [10:59] Why is that? [11:01] The total transaction flow that you can do with Dogecoin is substantially more than, [11:08] like transactions per day, is much higher than—has much higher potential than Bitcoin. [11:13] It is a slightly inflationary but that inflationary number is a fixed number as opposed to a percentage. [11:22] Right. [11:23] So that means over time, its percentage inflation actually decreases. [11:26] And that's actually good because it encourages people to spend and rather than sort of hoard [11:30] it as a store of value. [11:31] I'm going to switch to a personal question [11:36] a little bit if you're okay with that. [11:37] Yeah, sure. [11:38] So what happened with Grimes and do you have a new girlfriend? [11:41] Oh, man. [11:41] Are you seeing someone new? I know here we are with our somewhat different approach. [11:49] Grimes as I said, like 70 separated, you know, like, it's just that her work, [11:57] has her just being in different places a lot versus my work. [12:01] So we, you know, weren't seeing each other that much. [12:04] We're still—we're still good friends. [12:06] And I do not have a new girlfriend or anything. [12:10] Okay, yeah. [12:12] I mean, this place is basically like a technology monastery, you know. [12:17] Technology monastery? [12:19] Yeah. There's hardly any. [12:21] I mean, there's someone here, but not many. [12:23] And it's remote. [12:25] Yeah. [12:26] And we deal to do technology. [12:27] Yes. 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