--- description: Kimberly Jones and Gilly Segal spoke to TIME about their book I’m Not Dying With You Tonight and how they manage uncomfortable conversations. title: How Black and White Authors Co-Wrote a Book About Race image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltbdbfac05d35e2150/698a0f52b21a9c1d24503b5e/KimJones_GillySegal_Thumb_v01.jpg?branch=production&width=3840&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 ---  * [Entertainment](/section/entertainment/) ## Entertainment Update your preferences in [Account Settings](/account/preferences/) Close * [Books](/tag/books/) ## Books Update your preferences in [Account Settings](/account/preferences/) Close # How a Black Woman and a White Woman Co-Wrote a Book About Race in America by [Rose Cohn](/author/rose-cohn/), [Lucy Feldman](/author/lucy-feldman/) and [TIME Video](/author/time-video/) Jun 15, 2020 9:52 PM CUT  Gilly Segal and Kimberly Jones Gilly Segal and Kimberly Jones by [Rose Cohn](/author/rose-cohn/), [Lucy Feldman](/author/lucy-feldman/) and [TIME Video](/author/time-video/) Jun 15, 2020 9:52 PM CUT Activist and author [Kimberly Jones](https://www.kimjoneswrites.com/ "undefined") was out in Atlanta on May 31 interviewing people about the protests in response to the police killing of [George Floyd](https://time.com/5851623/time-cover-devin-allen-george-floyd-protests/ "undefined") for a documentary when she paused to speak to the camera about the history of racism in the U.S. In a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb9%5FqGOa9Go "undefined") that has now received more than 1.7 million views on YouTube, she discussed the importance of asking why people might feel driven to loot and compared [systemic financial oppression](https://time.com/5851855/systemic-racism-america/ "undefined") to a fixed game of Monopoly. Her language resonated, drawing praise from Trevor Noah, LeBron James, Lizzo, Janelle Monáe and Madonna. Jones is the co-author, along with [Gilly Segal, ](https://www.gillysegal.com/ "undefined")of the 2019 young adult novel [_I’m Not Dying With You Tonight_](https://bookshop.org/a/4973/9781492678892 "undefined"), a finalist for an NAACP Image Award. The authors drew on their experiences as a Black woman and a white woman, respectively, to tell the story of two teen girls: Lena, who is Black, and Campbell, who is white. Lena and Campbell’s perspectives on race and inequality are challenged when they’re forced to rely on one another to survive a night of racial tension and violence in their city. Jones and Segal spoke to TIME about the power of Jones’ video, the problems with how children are taught U.S. history and how they manage uncomfortable conversations. ```json [{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","@id":"https://time.com/5853948/kimberly-jones-gilly-segal-book-protests/","mainEntityOfPage":{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https://time.com/5853948/kimberly-jones-gilly-segal-book-protests/"},"headline":"How a Black Woman and a White Woman Co-Wrote a Book About Race in America","datePublished":"2020-06-15T21:52:04.000Z","dateModified":"2026-03-30T12:54:09.300Z","description":"Kimberly Jones and Gilly Segal spoke to TIME about their book I’m Not Dying With You Tonight and how they manage uncomfortable conversations.","url":"https://time.com/5853948/kimberly-jones-gilly-segal-book-protests/","keywords":["Books","Exclusive","video"],"thumbnailUrl":"https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltbdbfac05d35e2150/698a0f52b21a9c1d24503b5e/KimJones_GillySegal_Thumb_v01.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=1200:675&height=675","author":[{"@type":"Person","name":"Rose Cohn","jobTitle":null,"url":"https://time.com/author/rose-cohn/"},{"@type":"Person","name":"Lucy Feldman","jobTitle":"Editorial Director","url":"https://time.com/author/lucy-feldman/"},{"@type":"Person","name":"TIME Video","jobTitle":null,"url":"https://time.com/author/time-video/"}],"articleSection":"Entertainment","image":[{"@type":"ImageObject","url":"https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltbdbfac05d35e2150/698a0f52b21a9c1d24503b5e/KimJones_GillySegal_Thumb_v01.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=1200:675&height=675","width":1200,"height":675,"headline":"Gilly Segal and Kimberly Jones","caption":"Gilly Segal and Kimberly Jones","creditText":"","representativeOfPage":true}],"publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"Time","url":"https://time.com/","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","url":"https://time.com/images/logo.png","width":528,"height":156},"foundingDate":"March 3, 1923","sameAs":["https://www.facebook.com/time","https://www.instagram.com/time/?hl=en","https://twitter.com/time","https://www.pinterest.com/timemagazine"]}},{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"BreadcrumbList","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"item":{"@id":"/section/entertainment/","name":"Entertainment"}},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"item":{"@id":"/tag/books/","name":"Books"}},{"@type":"ListItem","position":3,"item":{"@id":"https://time.com/5853948/kimberly-jones-gilly-segal-book-protests/","name":"How a Black Woman and a White Woman Co-Wrote a Book About Race in America"}}]}] ```