Some of golf’s top players recently sat down with TIME to tell stories about how they find their A-game. TIME’s David Von Drehle spoke with golf legend Jack Nicklaus, as well as Jordan Spieth and Jason Day.
In the video above, Nicklaus recalls playing golf with several U.S. presidents, including former President Gerald Ford.
“I played a lot of golf with Ford,” Nicklaus said. “He was a wonderful man. Ford was just like an old shoe, just so relaxed, so nice, if you ever believed a man could be that nice. I played with a couple other presidents too, but Ford was my first.”