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# Caitlyn Jenner: The Story of One Man's Love for a Trans Woman

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## Video: Trans Teen Jazz Jennings on Bullying, Acceptance and Being a Role Model

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_Published 2015-07-14. At 14-years-old, Jazz Jennings has co-authored a book I Am Jazz, was named one of_


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## Caitlyn Jenner and Jarid Bartow / WhoSay


Mar 29, 2016 1:57 PM UTC

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Caitlyn Jenner at the 2016 MAKERS Conference in Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif. on Feb. 1, 2016.

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## Caitlyn Jenner and Jarid Bartow / WhoSay


Mar 29, 2016 1:57 PM UTC

_This article was written by Caitlyn Jenner and Jarid Bartow for WhoSay as part of an on-going original series that explores issues and people in the LGBT community._

Ever since I transitioned, I’ve been asked, “Who are you going to date?” Here’s my answer: Me!

Nine months into this and I’m still learning who I am.

However, the road trip with my girls has put a lot of things into perspective. Something that has really struck me is the difficulty of dating as trans woman or trans man. Because I get so many questions about this topic, I thought I’d consult with someone who knows a lot more about this topic than I do.

Without further ado, meet Jarid—the wonderful man who loves my beautiful and brilliant friend Zackary.

—

During a dinner discussion in the first episode of this season’s _I am Cait_, Kate Bornstein brought up a powerful point about the acceptance of men who love trans women: “… This whole notion of ‘chasers’ has got to get out of the field of being perverted. It’s got to become as beautiful to love a trans person as it is to love a cis person.” Jenny Boylan then added: “… The men who love us need to be the ones to stand up and take responsibility and testify to that.”

Here is my testimony:

I am a cis man who loves a trans woman.


More specifically, I love a trans woman named Zackary Drucker. Loving her comes easily because she is such a phenomenal human being. It’s simply a matter of fact: She’s a total babe, and I am one lucky man.

We first met eight years ago at an underground club in downtown Los Angeles. Zackary was working the door, greeting the partygoers. I was immediately enamored when I got to the front of the line and laid eyes on her. She had mad style, androgynous and cool. Her warm smile, coupled with the most beautiful blue eyes, made me melt.

While my friends were upstairs dancing and drinking, I found myself drawn back to Zackary’s station at the entry and began flirting with her. We immediately clicked, and she gave me her number at the end of the night. I treasured the paper it was written on and neatly tucked it in my wallet.

But I did not call. And later, I lost her number.

I admit: At the time I wasn’t ready for a girl like her, mostly because I was immature and self-conscious. I cared too much about the opinions of my associates in a conservative career. I wondered what they would think if I dated a trans woman. (Now I know the basic truth: Nobody cares.)


A few years later, another trans woman, Gigi, entered my life. She lived a block away, and I’d often run into her walking her big, handsome dog, Junior. We developed a wonderful, platonic friendship. She cooked homemade meals for me, and I’d occasionally dog-sit Junior. Her nurturing character picked me up when I was going through a rough time in my life.

I became more sensitive and sympathetic to transgender issues because of Gigi. At the same time, I grew more secure, less judgmental about myself and towards others. The friendship gradually opened me up to the possibility of dating a trans woman.


I never forgot about Zackary. Occasionally I’d see her at a friend’s birthday party or an art opening. She always stood out in a crowd. It seemed she was magically getting more beautiful and confident every time I’d see her.

As her art career catapulted, I encountered evidence of Zackary wherever I went. I’d go to friends’ houses and find her photos hanging on their walls. Every friend we had in common loved her and spoke highly of her. At a book fair, I was awestruck after coming across Translady Fanzine, a collection of photos by Zackary and Amos Mac. It was then I finally decided to reach out to Zackary and humbly tell her I was a fan. More importantly, I was now unafraid to call myself a Trans Fan.

In my first email to her I predicted, “We have a lot in common and much to share.” It’s proved to be true. One mutual activity we enjoy together is hiking. On an early date, we hiked to a summit high above the city called Mt. Disappointment. Our relationship together has been quite the opposite. The view has been spectacular.


Thank you, Zackary Drucker. From you I have learned:

Love transcends gender. Love transcends labels.

This is my testimony.

_Jerid Bartow is an Urban Designer working in development in Downtown LA. He is an avid traveler, gardener, and cyclist. This June he will ride his bike from San Francisco to Los Angeles as a participate of AIDS/Lifecycle. Donate_ [_here_](http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/jeridbartow)_._

_For more information on the transgender movement, see a list of resources at_ [_CaitlynJenner.com_](http://caitlynjenner.com/resources/)


## Transcript

I want to get his face in the camera. Someone asked me why I used to be a boy and now I'm a girl. I would say that I have a girl brain and a boy body and it's different than you. Is it okay to be different? Yes. Do you like it? Mm- hm. Cuz why? It's okay to be It's okay to be different because it just matters who you are. [ MUSIC ] Hi I'm Jazz. I'm 14 years old and I am Jazz. [ LAUGH ] Right from the start I always knew I was different and I knew I was a girl. And the way I just really expressed that to my parents was by gravitating towards Barbies, dolls, dresses. Everything very feminine. We really didn't have too much of a decision to make to allow Jazz to be Jazz cause she decided for us.

She really didn't Didn't give us a choice. She was a girl in her mind, and she was adamant about it. In the beginning, there was very few families. There was one support group that I found. They gave me the confidence to allow Jazz to be who she was, cuz it was hard. There weren't little transgender kids like Jazz at the time. At age three, I was diagnosed with what's now called gender dysphoria. [ UNKNOWN ] that was a turning point in my life. At age five, I fully transitioned. That was only the beginning. Say cheese. Cheese. My name is Jaz, and I'm transgender. I was born a girl trapped in a boy's body.

And although most people would run away from who they are I embrace my uniqueness. So many people tell me that I'm brave and that I'm courageous. But for me, the real brave and courageous people are the transgender individuals out there who are completely shut down by their families, their friends, their schools, anywhere, just society in general, completely spreading them hate. And Still they find deep in their soul and their spirit to keep moving forward every single day until they come to that point where they can live their lives authentically. Those are the brave and courageous people. So many transgendered kids take their lives because they just feel so depressed based on what society is telling them.

If you are reading this it means that I have committed suicide, those words written on a [ CROSSTALK ] She was born Josh [ CROSSTALK ] [ INAUDIBLE ] but wrote in her suicide not Sunday she wanted to be remembered as Lela. My death needs to mean something were a few of her final words. You know, I worry about her of course, I worry about all my kids but with her there's special circumstances because transgender people are hated by other people out there. When our family decided to share our story in the media nine years ago, we were all very scared. We made sure no one knew where we lived for my personal protection.

But now, I'm happy to share with you that I'm an out and proud resident of south Florida. [ APPLAUSE ] Kids can be cruel, they can be so mean. So I'm hoping in high school they really mature, and maybe they'll accept me a little bit more cuz I know a lot of boys right now, they don't accept me. They think that if they date a girl like me that they'll be called gay by their friends. I think that transgender people are probably discriminated against more than any other. People and fear whatever reason cause people don't understand. And why would anybody be so hateful towards a child? How can you tell a child that you wanna kill them?

You know the main thing that really keeps me motivated and continuing to share my story is that I know that change is being created when I see that, you know It's happening. Like this is real. People are really inspired to keep living and being their authentic selves. And it just motivates me to keep going.

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