--- title: Joan Rivers Dead: The Comic Once Called 'Mean' Is Now 'Fearless' description: The same media who loved railing against her "offensive" and "mean" jokes are now hailing her as a "pioneer" canonical: https://time.com/3270731/joan-rivers-dead-fearless/ author: Charlotte Alter article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2014-09-04T23:38:45.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-04-13T08:55:55.427Z og:title: Joan Rivers Dead: The Comic Once Called 'Mean' Is Now 'Fearless' og:description: The same media who loved railing against her "offensive" and "mean" jokes are now hailing her as a "pioneer" og:url: https://time.com/3270731/joan-rivers-dead-fearless/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt5400af9a75a33c5e/6986a2163617607a0890db7a/joan-rivers-dead-51.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 2343 og:image:height: 1318 og:image:alt: Joan Rivers Dead Obit og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: Joan Rivers Dead: The Comic Once Called 'Mean' Is Now 'Fearless' twitter:description: The same media who loved railing against her "offensive" and "mean" jokes are now hailing her as a "pioneer" twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt5400af9a75a33c5e/6986a2163617607a0890db7a/joan-rivers-dead-51.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 ---  # Why We Needed to Take Joan Rivers Less Seriously > Sponsored content. 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It is a free newsletter available at time.com/newsletters.  by [Charlotte Alter](https://time.com/author/charlotte-alter/)  ## Charlotte Alter Senior Correspondent Sep 4, 2014 11:38 PM UTC  Joan Rivers is honored with a Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame on July 26, 1989, at Hollywood Boulevard in Hollywood Joan Rivers is honored with a Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame on July 26, 1989, at Hollywood Boulevard in HollywoodRon Galella—WireImage/Getty Images  by [Charlotte Alter](https://time.com/author/charlotte-alter/)  ## Charlotte Alter Senior Correspondent Sep 4, 2014 11:38 PM UTC Now that Joan Rivers has passed away, you probably won’t be reading much from all the people who called her a [bitch](http://lowbrowreader.com/joanrivers/). Of course, nobody wants to speak ill of the dead, and they shouldn’t. But even though CNN called Joan Rivers “[mean](http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/05/joan-rivers-storms-out-of-cnn-interview/)” in July, today they’re calling her “[pioneering](http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/04/showbiz/celebrity-news-gossip/joan-rivers-obit/index.html).” HollywoodLife called her “[cruel](http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/06/08/joan-rivers-kristen-stewart-diss-diary-of-a-mad-diva/)” and “hateful” in June, but today she’s “[beloved](http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/09/04/joan-rivers-dead-81/).” Jezebel staffers, who have [long](http://jezebel.com/joan-rivers-uses-trans-slur-against-michelle-obama-vid-1600276919) railed against Rivers’ “[offensive](http://jezebel.com/5489647/body-snarking-oscar-fashion-with-joan-rivers/)” jokes, are now hailing her as “[a comic legend](http://jezebel.com/joan-rivers-has-died-1630645772).” Joan Rivers would call those people “full of s–t.” It’s not that Joan Rivers wasn’t a pioneering, beloved comic legend — she was. It’s that she didn’t get enough credit for that when she was alive. Instead, there was always someone ready to interpret her comments as personal attacks rather than jokes, which made her beloved and reviled in equal measure. After the father of a deaf boy was offended by a joke she made about Helen Keller, she explained [her thinking ](http://nymag.com/movies/features/66181/index3.html)to an interviewer: --- > “” --- She [joked](http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/joan-rivers-sticks-fat-adele-comments-article-1.1304702) that Adele was fat. She joked that Kim Kardashian’s daughter North West was an “[ugly](http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kim-kardashian-daughter-ugly-says-3043287)” baby who needed to wax. She even joked about her own husband’s suicide. When [_New York Magazine_](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2009/08/joan%5Frivers%5Fon%5Fthe%5Feve%5Fof%5Fher.html) asked her if there was ever a wrong time to make a joke, she said: --- > “” --- In other words, she didn’t have boundaries, but boundaries are exactly what we pay comedians to break. Rivers helped pioneer the kind of nasty humor that spawned a whole generation of comics, from Chris Rock to Sarah Silverman to Ricky Gervais. So why couldn’t we stop telling her to shut up? Because where male comedians were “funny,” Rivers was “offensive.” She was the Queen of Mean. When she joked that Heidi Klum’s Oscar dress was so stunning that “the last time a German looked this hot was when they were pushing Jews into the ovens,” she was [slammed](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285794/Joan-Rivers-refuses-apologise-vulgar-offensive-joke-Heidi-Klums-backside.html) as “vulgar.” A joke about Miley Cyrus’ virginity in her most recent book drew [criticism](http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/joan-snark-scalds-lena-dunham-girls-article-1.1833560) because people thought she was actually accusing her of incest. She was always being asked to apologize for one thing or another, and she almost never did. Rivers once [wrote](http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/joan-rivers-why-johnny-carson-398088) in the _Hollywood Reporter_ that she felt like people were always looking for evidence that she was a nasty person. “When I say, ‘No, this is wrong,’ people say: ‘See? She is a bitch. She is a c—.’ If I were a man, they’d say: ‘So brilliant. He’s tough, but he’s right.’ Nobody ever says to me, ‘You’re right.’” But she even had a sense of humor about her own bad rap. After her _Comedy Central Roast_ in 2009, she [said](http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20295606,00.html), “They called me evil, mean and \[a\] plastic surgery whore and disgusting. I kept saying to myself, ‘How do they know so much about me?’” Where most women struggle to be taken more seriously, we needed to take Joan Rivers less seriously. In a comedic career that spanned over 50 years, there was always someone who didn’t get the joke. 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