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# Michael Cohen Says Trump Talked to Him About Hush Money in the White House

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## Mahita Gajanan


Gajanan is an editor at TIME.

Feb 27, 2019 9:50 PM UTC

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Stormy Daniels at Oxford Union, UK on Nov. 15, 2018\. Michael Cohen test

Stormy Daniels at Oxford Union, UK on Nov. 15, 2018\. Michael Cohen test Roger Askew—The Oxford Union/REX/Shutterstock

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[Mahita Gajanan](https://time.com/author/mahita-gajanan/)


## Mahita Gajanan


Gajanan is an editor at TIME.

Feb 27, 2019 9:50 PM UTC

President Donald Trump talked to his former personal attorney about hush money payments in the Oval Office, then cut him checks from his personal account and a business account to reimburse him, [Michael Cohen told Congress Wednesday](http://time.com/5539766/michael-cohen-testimony-live/).

The longtime attorney and self-described fixer for Trump, Cohen [pleaded guilty](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/michael-cohen-trumps-former-lawyer-pleads-guilty-to-lying-to-congress/2018/11/29/5fac986a-f3e0-11e8-bc79-68604ed88993%5Fstory.html?utm%5Fterm=.9bd434d50b87) in federal court in November to a campaign finance violation for making the $130,000 payment to [porn star Stormy Daniels](http://time.com/5264555/donald-trump-statements-stormy-daniels-payoff/) in exchange for her silence about an affair with Trump.

[Speaking under oath](http://time.com/5264555/donald-trump-statements-stormy-daniels-payoff/) before the House Oversight Committee, Cohen described a meeting with Trump in the White House in February of 2017 in which they discussed reimbursements for the payment.

“He’s showing me all around and pointing to different paintings,” Cohen testified. “And he says to me something to the effect of ‘Don’t worry, Michael. Your January and February reimbursement checks are coming.'”

Trump at first denied knowing about the payments, then later said he only made them to keep Daniels from making untrue allegations that would harm his personal life and argued that he did nothing wrong because no campaign money was involved.

But federal prosecutors who charged Cohen say that by using their own money, Cohen and Trump essentially gave an in-kind donation to the campaign which they did not report, a violation of federal law.

On Wednesday, Cohen gave more details about how the payments were made.


He testified that just days before the 2016 election, he and Daniels’ attorney settled on $130,000 for the rights to her life story about her affair with Trump, a common technique for preventing someone from speaking about it. He said he went straight to Trump’s office to discuss it with him and Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg.

“He acknowledged to Allen that he was going to pay the $130,000 and that Allen and I should go back to his office and figure out how to do it,” Cohen said.

Cohen testified that he used a home equity loan to pay Daniels, then received 11 check installments from Trump to reimburse him while he was president. Trump later claimed that the payments to Cohen were a “monthly retainer” for legal services, but Cohen told Congress there was no retainer agreement.

> [](https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/991992302267785216)


He also submitted to Congress copies of two checks, one from Trump’s personal account signed by Trump and another from the revocable trust that holds the Trump Organization signed by Donald Trump Jr. and Weisselberg.

![Trump Lawyer Investigation Congress](https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltcb52e27262c84fcb/698945fd86f68e226e6eb711/michael-cohen-2-brief-lede-1.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp)

This image provided by Michael Cohen's attorney, Lanny Davis, shows copies of two checks that Cohen presented to the House Oversight and Reform Committee on Wednesday, Feb. 27, 2019 in Washington. Cohen says Donald Trump wrote the checks from his personal bank account after he became president as a reimbursement for payments Cohen made to buy the silence of porn actress Stormy Daniels and former Playboy model Karen McDougal in the run-up to the 2016 presidential election. Lanny Davis—AP

Daniels, for her part, briefly commented on the testimony via Twitter.

> [](https://twitter.com/StormyDaniels/status/1100842299439894528)

Here’s a closer look at Trump’s past statements about the issue.


## March 7, 2018: White House denies that Trump knew about the payments

White House spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters in a daily press briefing that Trump was not aware of any payments to Daniels.

“I’ve had conversations with the President about this,” she said. “And, as I outlined earlier, that this case has already been won in arbitration and that there was no knowledge of any payments from the President, and he’s denied all of these allegations.”

## April 5, 2018: Trump denies knowing about the payment

“No,” Trump said when asked by a reporter on Air Force One whether he knew about the $130,000 payment. “You’ll have to ask Michael Cohen. Michael is my attorney and you’ll have to ask Michael Cohen.”

Trump maintained he did not know where Cohen got the money to pay Daniels.

## April 26, 2018: Trump says Cohen did not receive campaign funds to make the payment

In an interview on “Fox and Friends,” Trump said campaign funds did not go to Cohen for the payment.


“From what I see he did absolutely nothing wrong,” Trump said of Cohen. “There were no campaign funds going into this … which would have been a problem.”

## May 3, 2018: Trump confirmed that he reimbursed Cohen

Trump claimed that he kept Cohen on a monthly retainer, which acted as reimbursement for the non-disclosure agreement Daniels signed along with the $130,000, in a series of tweets. He again said he did not use campaign money to pay Cohen.

> [](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/991992302267785216)

> [](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/991994433750142976)


> [](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/991995845120753664)

## August 23, 2018: Trump says payments came from him personally

Speaking on “Fox and Friends,” Trump said the hush money came from him personally, and not from campaign funds.

“They came from me,” he said. “And I tweeted about it. But they did not come out of the campaign.”

Trump also claimed that he only found out about the payments, made to Daniels and another woman who claimed she had an affair with him, “later on,” contradicting an earlier statement given under oath from Cohen in which he said Trump had told him to make the payments.

## December 7, 2018: Trump says sentencing memo for Cohen ‘totally clears’ him


A sentencing memo for Cohen filed by federal prosecutors implicated Trump in illegal campaign contributions, saying the president’s former fixer “acted in coordination with and at the direction of” Trump in making the hush payments with “the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election.”

Trump said the filing exonerated him.

> [](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1071177621445230596)

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