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# 'I Never Said There Was No Collusion.' Rudy Giuliani Changes His Tune on Trump Campaign Denials

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Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday suggested that members of President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign may have colluded with Russia 

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## Jamie Ducharme


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Jan 17, 2019 1:09 PM UTC

Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday suggested that members of President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign may have colluded with Russia – but insisted that Trump himself had no involvement. It was a marked contrast to the Trump Administration’s [repeated denials](http://time.com/5355011/stephen-colbert-trump-collusion-montage/) of any wrongdoing within the presidential campaign.

“I never said there was no collusion between the campaign, or between people in the campaign,” Giuliani, Trump’s lawyer, said during an [interview with CNN’s Chris Cuomo](https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/rudy-giuliani-cnntv/index.html). “I have no idea. I said the President of the United States. There is not a single bit of evidence the President of the United States committed the only crime you can commit here: conspired with the Russians to hack the DNC.”

The former New York City mayor made his comments on _Cuomo Prime Time_ while discussing court filings that [alleged Paul Manafort shared polling data](http://time.com/5497131/paul-manafort-accused-sharing-polling-data/) with a business associate with ties to Russia in 2016.

When pressed by Cuomo, Giuliani downplayed both his own past comments and those from Trump that denied any collusion within the campaign, eventually defending the President by suggesting that, if any collusion occurred, he was not aware of it.

“How would you know that nobody in your campaign \[colluded\]?” Giuliani said. “As far as he knows, that’s true.”

That’s a significant change from the “no collusion” line Giuliani has repeated as recently as July.

At that time, Fox News contributor Guy Benson asked Giuliani, “Regardless of whether collusion would be a crime, is it still the position of you and your client that there was no collusion with the Russians whatsoever on behalf of the Trump campaign?”


“Correct,” Giuliani responded.

Trump has repeatedly [denied collusion with Russia](http://time.com/5361925/donald-trump-collusion-manafort-giuliani-mueller-russia/), both personally and by members of his campaign. As recently as Dec. 10, he tweeted, in all capital letters, that there had been, “NO COLLUSION.”

> [](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072095127894667265)


## Transcript

I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. I have no idea if, I have not. I said the president of the United States. There is not a single bit of evidence the president of the United States committed the only crime you could commit here, conspired with the Russians to hack the DNC. It's about what you knew, [ CROSSTALK ] what was right and what was wrong and what did you deceive about. [ CROSSTALK ] considerations. The President did not [ CROSSTALK ]. He said nobody had any contact. Tons of people had contact. Nobody colluded. The guy running his campaign.

He didn't say [ CROSSTALK ]. Issue at the same time as the convention. He said he didn't. He didn't say, nobody. How would you know that nobody in your campaign [ CROSSTALK ]. He actually did say that, Rudy. He said nobody. Then he said as far as I know. Well, as far as he knows, that's true.

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