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_Published 2018-12-06. As special counsel Robert Mueller and various news reports have dug up information about Russian meddling in the 2016 election, Trump has followed a predictable pattern._


by 

[Ryan Teague Beckwith](https://time.com/author/ryan-teague-beckwith/)


## Ryan Teague Beckwith


Dec 6, 2018 9:00 PM UTC

by 

[Ryan Teague Beckwith](https://time.com/author/ryan-teague-beckwith/)


## Ryan Teague Beckwith


Dec 6, 2018 9:00 PM UTC

President Donald Trump has called special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation a “witch hunt” that’s found no evidence of wrongdoing by his presidential campaign.

But facts uncovered by the probe, intelligence community reports and news stories have forced Trump at times to acknowledge that some of his blanket denials in the past were wrong.

When doing so, however, Trump has followed a pattern. After the blanket denial, Trump admits to a minimal version of the facts, then, later, makes a full admission but argues that there was nothing wrong with it in the first place.

Read below or watch the video above to see how it works.

## 1\. Trump issues a blanket denial

When discussing hacked Democratic emails, Trump first denied Russia was responsible. “I notice any time anything wrong happens they like to say, the Russians, the Russians — she doesn’t know it’s the Russians doing the hacking, maybe there is no hacking,” he said at the [second presidential debate](https://transcripts.factcheck.org/presidential-debate-washington-university/).

The Trump campaign also maintained that it had no foreign contacts during the election. “There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign,” [spokesperson Hope Hicks said](https://apnews.com/323f28f7f5e242498f43e4a7188336bc) in a Nov. 11, 2016 statement. “All the contact by the Trump campaign and associates was with the American people,” [Vice President-elect Mike Pence said](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/15/mike-pence-denies-contacts-with-russia-during-campaign/?utm%5Fterm=.9052aa209b39) in January of 2017.

And Trump claimed that he had no loans, business deals, real estate investments or contacts with Russia. “I mean I have nothing to do with Russia. I don’t have any jobs in Russia. I’m all over the world but we’re not involved in Russia,” he [told CBS Miami](https://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/07/27/cbs4-news-exclusive-trump-denies-ties-to-russia/) in July of 2016\. “I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA – NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!” he tweeted the following January.


## 2\. Trump downplays the facts

Even when accepting the intelligence community’s finding that Russia interfered in the election, Trump argued that it might not be alone. “I think it was Russia, but I think it was probably other people and/or countries, and I see nothing wrong with that statement. Nobody really knows,” he said in a [July 2017 interview](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/07/19/heres-everything-trump-has-said-about-russian-interference-in-2016/).

Trump also downplayed Russian contacts when they became public: Carter Page was a [“low-level”](https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/donald-trump-news-conference-transcript/index.html) advisor [“who nobody even knew,”](https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/407335-exclusive-trump-says-exposing-corrupt-fbi-probe-could-be-crowning-achievement) campaign adviser George Papadopoulos was a [“young, low level volunteer,”](https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/925335577217683456?lang=en) and a meeting at Trump Tower between Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner and a Kremlin-connected lawyer was [“short”](https://www.businessinsider.sg/watch-trump-defends-his-son-meeting-with-russian-lawyer-paris-emmanuel-macron-2017-7/) and [“went nowhere.”](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1026084333315153924)

And after Trump’s longtime lawyer, Michael Cohen, admitted to working on a Moscow real estate deal through June of 2016, Trump waved it away. “Everybody knew about it,” he [told a group of reporters](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-marine-one-departure-27/). “This deal was a very public deal. Everybody knows about this deal. I wasn’t trying to hide anything.”


## 3\. Trump argues it didn’t matter

Finally, Trump minimized Russia’s interference by arguing that it did not affect the election results. “Now, everybody agrees that there was no impact on the votes in this election, which is very important to say,” he [said in July of 2017](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-interview-highlights/highlights-of-reuters-interview-with-trump-idUSKBN19X34X). “Well, the Russians had no impact on our votes whatsoever,” he said in March of 2018.

He ultimately excused the Trump Tower meeting by arguing anyone would have taken it. “I think from a practical standpoint most people would have taken that meeting. It’s called opposition research or even research into your opponent,” he [said in July of 2017](https://www.businessinsider.sg/watch-trump-defends-his-son-meeting-with-russian-lawyer-paris-emmanuel-macron-2017-7/). “This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics,” he [tweeted in August of 2018](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1026084333315153924).

And he argued that there would be nothing wrong with exploring a business deal with a foreign power while running for president. “There would have been nothing wrong if I did do it,” he [told reporters](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-marine-one-departure-27/). “Even if he was right, it doesn’t matter because I was allowed to do whatever I wanted during the campaign.”


The problem with Trump’s approach is that it undermines his other denials, while raising the question of why he made these denials. After all, if there was nothing wrong with meeting with foreign officials promising dirt or pursuing business deals while running for president, why deny it in the first place?


## Transcript

Donald Trump has changed his story several times during the Russia investigation. As Special Counsel Robert Mueller and various news reports have dug up information about Russian meddling in the 2016 election, Trump has followed a predictable pattern. Here's how it works. Trump begins by broadly denying that something happened. First, he denied that Russians had hacked Democratic emails. But I notice any time anything wrong happens, they like to say the Russians. She doesn't know if it's the Russians doing the hacking, maybe there is no hacking. The campaign also denied that it had any contacts with Russia.

I joined this campaign in the summer, and I can tell you that All the contact by the Trump campaign and associates was with the American people. [ MUSIC ] And Trump denied that he had any business connections with Russia in July of 2016. Just weeks after his former lawyer Michael Cohen stopped working on a project to bring a Trump Tower to Moscow. So I mean I have nothing to do with Russia. I don't have any jobs in Russia. I'm all over the world, but we're not involved in Russia. As facts emerge which make the denial harder to maintain, Trump downplays their significance. He did that when he admitted Democratic emails had been hacked but cast doubt on who did it.

I think it was Russia but I think it was probably other people and / or countries and I see nothing wrong with that statement. Nobody really knows. Nobody really knows for sure He did it when he admitted that his campaign chair, son, and son- in- law had met with a Kremlin- connected lawyer in Trump Tower during the election. He took a meeting with a lawyer from Russia. It lasted for a very short period and nothing came of the meeting. And he did it when he argued that the Trump Tower Moscow project was not a big deal. Everybody knew about it. It was written about in newspapers It was a well known project, and so he's lying about a project that everybody knew about.

I mean, we were very open with it. We were thinking about building a building. This deal was a very public deal. Everybody knows about this deal. I wasn't trying to hide anything. [ MUSIC ] Finally, Trump makes an Mission, but argues that it's not that important. He did that when he argued that Russian medling had no influence on the election. Well, Russia's actions had no impact at all on the outcome of the election. Let me be totally clear in saying that, and I've said this so many times, I accept our intelligence Mention communities conclusion. That Russia's meddling in the the 2016 election took place.

He did it when he argued that meetings with foreign nationals promising dirt on a political opponent are routine. So I think from a pratical standpoint Most people would have taken that meaning. It's called opposition research or even research into your opponent. I've had many people, I have only been in politics for two years, but I've had many people call up, OG, we have information on this factor or this person or, frankly, Hillary That's very standard in politics. And he did it when he argued there would ne nothing wrong wit perusing a business deal with a foreign government while running for president.

We decided, I decided ultimately not to do it. There would have been nothing wrong if I did do it. If I did do it, there would've been nothing wrong. That was my business. Even if he was right, it doesn't matter. Because I was allowed To do whatever I wanted during the campaign. I was running my business. A lot of different things during the campaign. One problem for Trump with this pattern, it undercuts other denials he's made. And it raises the question, if there was nothing wrong with it, why deny it in the first place? [ MUSIC ]

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