--- title: Rudy Giuliani Explains His 'Truth Isn't Truth' Comment description: President Donald Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani's "truth isn't truth" statement was "not meant as a pontification on moral theology." canonical: https://time.com/5371650/rudy-giuliani-truth-isnt-truth/ author: Billy Perrigo article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2018-08-20T12:43:05.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-08-04T07:53:13.319Z article:section: Politics og:title: Here’s How Rudy Giuliani Explains 'Truth Isn't Truth' og:description: "My statement was not meant as a pontification on moral theology..." og:url: https://time.com/5371650/rudy-giuliani-truth-isnt-truth/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt8ee625dd8f744f42/6989381f8fd2ee4c0f35c693/gettyimages-988040752.jpg?branch=production&width=3840&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 1200 og:image:height: 675 og:image:alt: Rudy Giuliani og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: Here’s How Rudy Giuliani Explains 'Truth Isn't Truth' twitter:description: "My statement was not meant as a pontification on moral theology..." twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt8ee625dd8f744f42/6989381f8fd2ee4c0f35c693/gettyimages-988040752.jpg?branch=production&width=3840&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 ---  # Here’s How Rudy Giuliani Explains His 'Truth Isn't Truth' Comment ## Video: Legal Answers to Questions About Donald Trump and Robert Mueller [Watch (HLS stream): Legal Answers to Questions About Donald Trump and Robert Mueller](https://cdn.jwplayer.com/manifests/u2St1GOu.m3u8) (1:58)  _Published 2017-06-22. It's a deceptively simple question. Can Donald Trump fire Robert Mueller?_  by [Billy Perrigo](https://time.com/author/billy-perrigo/)  ## Billy Perrigo Correspondent Aug 20, 2018 12:43 PM UTC  JUNE 30: Former Mayor of New York Rudolph Giuliani speaks during the Conference In Support Of Freedom and Democracy In Iran JUNE 30: Former Mayor of New York Rudolph Giuliani speaks during the Conference In Support Of Freedom and Democracy In IranAnthony Devlin—Getty Images  by [Billy Perrigo](https://time.com/author/billy-perrigo/)  ## Billy Perrigo Correspondent Aug 20, 2018 12:43 PM UTC President Donald Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani’s “truth isn’t truth” statement was “not meant as a pontification on moral theology,” the former New York City mayor said Monday. Instead, Giuliani said he was “referring to the situation where two people make precisely contradictory statements, the classic ‘he said, she said’ puzzle.” > [](https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1031508346732519425) Giuliani’s comments came one day after his appearance on NBC’s _Meet the Press,_ during which he told an incredulous Chuck Todd that “truth isn’t truth” while explaining why he did not want to rush Trump into testifying to special counsel [Robert Mueller](http://time.com/5265283/donald-trump-rudy-giuliani-stormy-daniels-michael-cohen-strategy/): --- > “” --- Giuliani’s comments were immediately pounced upon by those critical of Trump and others in his orbit. Former FBI Director James Comey, whose firing by Trump led to the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel in the Russia investigation, said Sunday that “truth exists and truth matters.” “Truth has always been the touchstone of our country’s justice system and political life,” said Comey. “People who lie are held accountable. If we are untethered to truth, our justice system cannot function and a society based on the rule of law dissolves.” > [](https://twitter.com/Comey/status/1031243024897126402) Trump has said he is willing to talk to Mueller, but his current legal team, headed by Giuliani, has yet to arrange such a meeting, insisting that certain topics remain off-limits. ```json [{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","@id":"https://time.com/5371650/rudy-giuliani-truth-isnt-truth/","mainEntityOfPage":{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https://time.com/5371650/rudy-giuliani-truth-isnt-truth/"},"headline":"Here’s How Rudy Giuliani Explains His 'Truth Isn't Truth' Comment","datePublished":"2018-08-20T12:43:05.000Z","dateModified":"2026-08-04T07:53:13.319Z","description":"\"My statement was not meant as a pontification on moral theology...\"","url":"https://time.com/5371650/rudy-giuliani-truth-isnt-truth/","keywords":["White House","rudy giuliani","onetime","president trump","Robert Mueller"],"thumbnailUrl":"https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt8ee625dd8f744f42/6989381f8fd2ee4c0f35c693/gettyimages-988040752.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=1200:675&height=675","author":[{"@type":"Person","name":"Billy Perrigo","jobTitle":"Correspondent","url":"https://time.com/author/billy-perrigo/"}],"articleSection":"Politics","image":[{"@type":"ImageObject","url":"https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt8ee625dd8f744f42/6989381f8fd2ee4c0f35c693/gettyimages-988040752.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=1200:675&height=675","width":1200,"height":675,"headline":"Rudy Giuliani","caption":"Conference In Support Of Freedom And Democracy In Iran","creditText":"Anthony Devlin—Getty Images","representativeOfPage":true}],"publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"Time","url":"https://time.com/","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","url":"https://time.com/images/logo.png","width":528,"height":156},"foundingDate":"March 3, 1923","sameAs":["https://www.facebook.com/time","https://www.instagram.com/time/?hl=en","https://twitter.com/time","https://www.pinterest.com/timemagazine"]}},{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"BreadcrumbList","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"item":{"@id":"/section/politics/","name":"Politics"}},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"item":{"@id":"/tag/white-house/","name":"White House"}},{"@type":"ListItem","position":3,"item":{"@id":"https://time.com/5371650/rudy-giuliani-truth-isnt-truth/","name":"Here’s How Rudy Giuliani Explains His 'Truth Isn't Truth' Comment"}}]},{"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"VideoObject","name":"Legal Answers to Questions About Donald Trump and Robert Mueller","description":"It's a deceptively simple question. 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