--- title: Mike Pence: Christian Blogger on Jesus and Billy Graham Rule description: Trump and Pence are a match: one finds women so sexual they should be avoided; the other finds women so sexual that they may be grabbed canonical: https://time.com/4723444/glennon-doyle-melton-pence-wife-jesus/ author: Glennon Doyle Melton with Amanda Doyle article:opinion: true article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2017-04-03T20:04:14.000Z article:modified_time: 2023-12-13T10:01:15.000Z article:section: Ideas og:title: Mike Pence's Marriage Rule Holds Women Back og:description: "Jesus would think so, too" og:url: https://time.com/4723444/glennon-doyle-melton-pence-wife-jesus/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blte8184795baf44e07/6988c05bf887dc073ce999ef/mike-pence-karen-pence.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 3000 og:image:height: 1688 og:image:alt: Major Political Figures Address AIPAC 2017 Convention og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: Mike Pence's Marriage Rule Holds Women Back twitter:description: "Jesus would think so, too" twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blte8184795baf44e07/6988c05bf887dc073ce999ef/mike-pence-karen-pence.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 ---  # Glennon Doyle Melton: Mike Pence's Marriage Rule Holds Women Back > Sponsored content. 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Mike Pence used an AOL account to conduct some state business_ by [Glennon Doyle Melton with Amanda Doyle](https://time.com/author/glennon-doyle-melton-with-amanda-doyle/) ## Glennon Doyle Melton with Amanda Doyle Updated: Dec 13, 2023 10:01 AM UTCPublished: Apr 3, 2017 8:04 PM UTC  U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, right, and his wife Karen Pence are introduced at the the AIPAC 2017 Convention on March 26, 2017, in Washington, D.C. U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, right, and his wife Karen Pence are introduced at the the AIPAC 2017 Convention on March 26, 2017, in Washington, D.C. Noam Galai—Getty Images by [Glennon Doyle Melton with Amanda Doyle](https://time.com/author/glennon-doyle-melton-with-amanda-doyle/) ## Glennon Doyle Melton with Amanda Doyle Updated: Dec 13, 2023 10:01 AM UTCPublished: Apr 3, 2017 8:04 PM UTC [Vice President Mike Pence](http://time.com/4721721/donald-trump-mike-karen-pence-wife-marriage/) will not dine with a woman without his wife present, a form of what evangelicals call the “[Billy Graham rule](http://motto.time.com/4716439/mike-pence-karen-pence-eat-alone/).” Graham, a well-known [evangelical](http://time.com/4640436/evangelical-leaders-donald-trump-inauguration/) minister, famously refused to meet with a woman alone other than his wife — not even in an elevator — in order to “flee youthful lusts” and avoid “appearances of compromise or suspicion.” I am a Christian, a feminist and a woman currently planning [my wedding to another woman](https://www.facebook.com/glennondoylemelton/photos/a.213343589709.128680.178909129709/10155041062044710/?type=3&theater). As governor of Indiana, Pence presided over a (failed) so-called religious-freedom bill that would have allowed discrimination against couples like me and my future wife. Pence has had plenty to say about rules that should apply to my marriage, and I think it’s fair to examine the ones he applies to his. First of all, I reject the notion that Pence’s rule is purely personal. Pence’s rule for his marriage perpetuates religious and political ideologies based on false, dehumanizing ideologies about women that, when espoused by those in power, have manifested disastrous outcomes for all of us. If Pence cannot eat alone with a woman, it must be because when he sees a woman across a table, she’s not an adviser, she’s not a teacher, she’s not a leader, she’s not a constituent — she is only a sexual entity. Growing up Catholic (Pence identifies as an evangelical Catholic), I learned the biblical creation story this way, the same way I heard it in the early part of my adulthood in the evangelical church: God created man. Man was lonely, so God created woman from man’s body. Then, woman tempted man and he fell from grace and was separated from God forever. As it was with Eve in the garden, so, apparently, it is at a lunch meeting. Or at the Vice President’s office in the West Wing. When Pence says he will not eat alone with a woman who is not his wife, he is perpetuating the patriarchal notion that women are either Mary, Jesus’ pure virgin Mother, or Eve, a temptress, a liability. It perhaps is no coincidence that Pence reportedly refers to his Mary — wife [Karen Pence](http://time.com/4651781/mike-pence-march-life-meeting-abortion/) — as “[Mother](http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-radical-crusade-of-mike-pence-w462223).” For Pence and many evangelical men, all women who are not Marys are [Eves](http://time.com/4710627/bruce-feiler-adam-eve-love/), placed peripherally in their lives as temptations to resist. Every Eve is one alone-meeting away from destroying a godly man. In order to protect their honor and reputation, these men cut us off completely. This reduces all women to a monolithic sexual identity. To men like Pence, we are not complex, complete, sacred vessels full of intellect and divinity and grit. We are not fully formed spiritual beings; we are not fully formed citizens. We are exclusively sexual creatures. This mistrust of women is pumped through the veins of the Christian church and, apparently, the executive branch of the United States of America. **_Read:_** [_What the Bible Says About Sex, Passion and True Love_](http://time.com/4710627/bruce-feiler-adam-eve-love/) When Pence accepted the nomination as Trump’s Vice President, many thought the two a strange match. Pence, the proverbial Boy Scout, was seen as a foil to Trump, the literal [_Playboy_](http://mashable.com/2016/10/01/donald-trump-playboy-history/) cover model and regular Howard Stern guest. But from a Christian feminist perspective, the two are not a contradiction: if one feels that women are so wholly and exclusively sexual that they must be avoided at all costs, and the other feels that women are so wholly sexually available that they may be [grabbed](http://motto.time.com/4527915/trump-pussy-grab-shirt-rally/) freely, then those two are cut from the same misogynist cloth. If it feels like we are going back in time, perhaps it’s because rules like Pence’s invite us back to 18th century political ideology — and one of the oldest tricks in the patriarchal playbook — of separate spheres. Separate spheres based on purported natural makeup and the will of God, that a man’s place is in the public sphere (politics, commerce, the economy and law) while a woman’s God-ordained role is in the private sphere (housekeeping, child-rearing and domestic duties). This ideology historically justified women’s legal status as dependents until marriage, and stripped women of their legal existence — economic and property rights — after marriage. Likewise, the [inevitable consequence of Pence’s rule](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/05/why-some-male-members-of-congress-wont-be-alone-with-female-staffers/449367/) is to preserve and pass down men’s power to other men. If powerful men are free to meet alone with other men, and to exclude women from the most powerful rooms in the country — how will women ever occupy those rooms in their own right? If powerful men are only able to mentor young men, where does that leave young women? If, as data suggests, the [most mutually beneficial negotiations](https://hbr.org/2013/01/should-you-eat-while-you-negot) take place over meals, then doesn’t denying a woman the opportunity to break bread equate to denying her the opportunity to close a deal — to be heard? Access is power; access denied is power denied. What if male professors stopped meeting alone with female students? What if male doctors refused to meet with female patients? What if a Vice President announced he would never dine alone with a black person? If any of these hypothetical rules alarms you, so should Pence’s. Jesus himself deliberately sought out women with whom to meet alone, including the most scandalous women of his day. Remember the woman at the well, Vice President? Jesus met with her because that was part of His job on earth. Meeting with women is part of yours too. _Melton is the author of_ [Love Warrior](https://www.amazon.com/Love-Warrior-Oprahs-Book-Club/dp/1250128544/?tag=timecom-20)_, founder of nonprofit_ [_Together Rising_](https://togetherrising.org/) _and creator of_ [_Momastery_](http://momastery.com/blog/)_. Doyle is her sister._ **Correction:** The original version of this article misstated the occasions Pence will not be alone with a woman who is not his wife. Pence does not eat alone with a woman who is not his wife. ## Transcript No, there's no comparison what so ever between Hillary Clinton's practice of having a private server, mishandling classified information, destroying emails when they were requested by the congress and by officials. We have fully complied with all Indiana's laws. We had outside counsel review all of my Our private email records to identify any emails that ever referenced or mentioned our state business related activities. 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