--- title: Jad Abumrad: How We Make Radiolab description: Inside how the hit podcast and radio program is made canonical: https://time.com/4278768/radiolab-jad-amburad/ author: Cubie King article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2016-04-04T13:40:16.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-10-05T08:49:59.047Z article:section: Business og:title: Here's the Secret to What Makes Radiolab so Addictive og:description: The show's creator, Jad Abumrad, describes how he finds and composes the stories you can't stop listening to og:url: https://time.com/4278768/radiolab-jad-amburad/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltdc827e31c9aa8fe7/69888dda8e0601bfd6465502/jad-abumrad.jpg?branch=production&width=1120&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 1120 og:image:height: 630 og:image:alt: Jad-Abumrad og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: Here's the Secret to What Makes Radiolab so Addictive twitter:description: The show's creator, Jad Abumrad, describes how he finds and composes the stories you can't stop listening to twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/bltdc827e31c9aa8fe7/69888dda8e0601bfd6465502/jad-abumrad.jpg?branch=production&width=1120&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 ---  # Inside the Genius of Radiolab and Why It's So Addictive > Sponsored content. 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An intimate conversation with Jad Abumrad, creator and co-host of the popular podcast Radiolab. Abumrad muses about the state of podcasting, the art of storytelling and receiving the prestigious MacArthur Genius fellowship._ by [Cubie King](https://time.com/author/cubie-king/) and [Matt Vella](https://time.com/author/matt-vella/) Apr 4, 2016 1:40 PM UTC by [Cubie King](https://time.com/author/cubie-king/) and [Matt Vella](https://time.com/author/matt-vella/) Apr 4, 2016 1:40 PM UTC “The simple act of telling a story,” says [Jad Abumrad](http://www.radiolab.org/people/jad-abumrad/), “feels musical, deeply musical.” The founder and co-host of the nationally syndicated public radio program [_Radiolab_](http://www.radiolab.org) argues that compelling storytelling employs the same techniques as composition: meter, cadence, consonance. Abumrad, 42, is the conductor of sorts of one of the most popular programs in the rapidly burgeoning field of podcasting. Radiolab has explored stories ranging from the evolution of altruism to the science of ant colonies. Though podcasts–downloadable radio-like shows that originated with the birth of portable digital music players more than a decade ago–have been around for years, they have experienced phenomenal growth over the past two years, fueled in part by the rise of Internet-connected phones. [According to the Pew Research Center](http://www.journalism.org/2015/04/29/podcasting-fact-sheet/), the percentage of Americans who have listened to a podcast in the past month almost doubled between 2008 and 2015, from 9% to 17%. Abumrad, who was awarded the so-called [genius grant](https://www.macfound.org/fellows/1/) by the MacArthur Foundation in 2011, says the popularity of shows like _Radiolab_, _Serial_, and _This American Life_ is about much more than the mere ubiquity of smartphones. People long to understand why the world is the way it is and that, more than ever, listeners want to immerse themselves in stories, he argues. For more on how Abumrad finds and composes Radiolab pieces, watch the video above. ## Transcript Every story we do I'm amazed, I feel like I learn something new every single time. Every story makes you feel stupid and then makes you feel like a champion for having solved it. And no matter how much I do it I get that experience every single time. That's what keeps me passionate about it. [ BLANK_AUDIO ] I do think in some way podcasting is connected to the larger appetite the people have for stuff that doesn't suck frankly. Like people, I think people are getting to the place where they're like, okay, I actually wanna go deep on stuff. Actually I don't wanna take that. ... Soundbites, small, tiny things. Our attentions spans, I think, are rebounding. At least that's what I hope. The state of podcasting is having its moment. Apple had baked in the podcasting app onto iPhones. So now you had this thing on your phone that you couldn't delete. It just raised the floor instantly. And then, simultaneous to that, you had... I think it's being integrated into cars in a way. And then all of that was there. And then suddenly Siri comes along which was like [ SOUND ]. And dozens of articles are being written, not just about Siri but about like podcasting. What is this thing? As if it were just invented yesterday. I think of Radiolab as this like Scrappy upstart bunch of idiots. Who are just making it up on the fly every single week. But, if you sort of look at it in the larger universe, we're like the grandpas. We're like the, sort of the esteemed elders who are welcoming in the youngsters. And it's funny to suddenly find yourself in that role. [ BLANK_AUDIO ] We still tell stories for basic reasons. But the way that we tell stories now is like there's so many more tools that we have now. [ BLANK_AUDIO ] Before I was a story teller, before I did anything like what I'm doing now, I was a musician. For me, I filter all my, sort of, ideas about journalism and that through Basic musical ideas. When I'm telling the story now, I'm already thinking of the layers of sound and music that could work. I'll go out with a mike and I'll interview somebody and you ingest all of that into the computer. And it exists on your screen as like these little blocks. Right these little colored blocks of sound bytes. And then you cut the little card with blocks until you get small blocks. And then you take other blocks, which are sounds and other blocks which are. But your music, and you cut those up and you put them out. And then there's so many on the screen at a certain point that you have to zoom out. So you click, click, click zoom out, and you start to organize them. And it looks spookily like a music score at that point. [ BLANK_AUDIO ] So for me, I actually do need the tools. And now the tools are just so the part of my process that I don't even see it as something separate. It is just all happens in my head at once. And so when tell a story it is a deeply musical act. [ BLANK_AUDIO ] I mean, ever since the McCarthy thing came along, it's weird to, I mean at first when that thing happened in 2011, it was kinda trippy I found, cuz Suddenly people look at you like you have smart things to say. They think you're a whole lot smarter than you actually are, and that threw me off for a long time. I felt like I had to actually be smart. But now it's like I'm more comfortable with it. I would never use that word out loud. But I think it's really cool to be given a fellowship like that, it just opens up certain doors and makes certain conversations easier, but no I don't feel like a genius. I look at Lin Manuel, and what he did with Hamilton. And making it a kind of a sort of modern immigrant experience. I was like, wow, that's brilliant. That's genius, in my opinion. Taking all those genres and putting them together into something that's just beautiful, and cohesive, and instantly obvious. You're like, of course. They're like prints of a genius, in terms of just He played everything, you know? Somehow, he was so self contained at Bach. Bach was a genius. He was this weird amalgam of engineer and artist. He would hit me like I had to study Bach counterpoint in school. So I know how [ INAUDIBLE ] rules are like the voice leading This voice can only go up when this voice goes down. And so, you don't have a lot of choices, but somehow within that he's able to make just utterly beautiful music. 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