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President Obama Says Republicans Have Gotten ‘Meaner’

Obama says Republicans are "unrecognizable" this election season in new interview

President Obama believes the 2016 election has brought out the nasty side of his colleagues across the aisle, saying in a new interview that Republicans are “unrecognizable” this election season.

“When I ran against John McCain, John McCain and I had real differences, sharp differences, but John McCain didn’t deny climate science,” Obama told Politico‘s Off Message podcast. “John McCain didn’t call for banning Muslims from the United States… [The] Republican vision has moved not just to the right, but has moved to a place that is unrecognizable.”

He reiterated the “regret” he has about the growing partisan divide in the country, which he also spoke of in his State of the Union address. “The language, the spirit has become meaner than when I came in,” Obama said.

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Yet, the President remains hopeful. In the upcoming primary contest, which kicks off next week in Iowa, Obama says he’s confident Americans will ultimately pick a candidate for the nomination who offers an optimistic view of the country’s future.

“My bet is that the candidate who can project hope still is the candidate who the American people over the long term will gravitate towards,” Obama said.

Though Obama didn’t outright endorse a candidate, he is clearly pulling for a Democrat and offered kind words for Hillary Clinton throughout the interview, which can be heard in full at Politico. He sought to draw a distinction between Clinton and her key rival Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont—and even between Sanders and himself, after reporter Glenn Thrush asked the Obama if Sanders reminded the President of his 2008 campaign—though Obama touted the “liberalism” of both candidates.

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“There’s no doubt that Bernie has tapped into a running thread in Democratic politics that says, Why are we still constrained by the terms of the debate that were set by Ronald Reagan 30 years ago?” Obama said. “Why is it that we’re scared to challenge conventional wisdom?”

Obama added, “What Hillary presents is a recognition that translating values into governance and delivering the goods is ultimately the job of politics. Making a real life difference of people in their everyday lives.”

Obama says, however, the “relevant contrast” in this election isn’t between Sanders and Clinton; it’s between “Bernie and Hillary and Donald Trump, and Ted Cruz.”

“That gap is as wide as I’ve ever seen,” Obama said.

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