--- title: KKK Leader Says Donald Trump is a Great Recruiting Tool description: Donald Trump is inspiring Ku Klux Klan members, and his candid rhetoric is being used to recruit more white supremacists. canonical: https://time.com/4156821/donald-trump-kkk/ author: Melissa Chan article:opinion: false article:content_tier: free article:published_time: 2015-12-21T15:41:35.000Z article:modified_time: 2026-08-19T07:42:15.286Z article:section: Politics og:title: KKK Leader Says Donald Trump is a Great Recruiting Tool og:description: “They like that he’s not willing to back down" og:url: https://time.com/4156821/donald-trump-kkk/ og:site_name: TIME og:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt90ea47cc5330b47c/69887656cd1bba5b706fea04/gettyimages-501657770.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 og:image:width: 3000 og:image:height: 1688 og:image:alt: Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump Holds Rally In Mesa, Arizona og:type: article twitter:card: summary_large_image twitter:title: KKK Leader Says Donald Trump is a Great Recruiting Tool twitter:description: “They like that he’s not willing to back down" twitter:image: https://static.time.com/v3/assets/bltea6093859af6183b/blt90ea47cc5330b47c/69887656cd1bba5b706fea04/gettyimages-501657770.jpg?branch=production&width=1200&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=16:9 video:duration: 02:30 video:published: 2015-12-09 section: politics topics: presidential campaign, crowd size, political correctness, immigration, Mexico, winning elections, make America great again genre: interview tones: combative, boastful, defiant, informal emotions: pride (high), anger (medium), determination (high) sentiment: negative audience: voters, political observers, news readers, campaign followers people: Donald Trump organizations: TIME content_suitability: politics [00:00-02:30]; hate [01:16-01:37]; crime [01:20-01:37]; profanity [00:00-02:30] transcript_source: publisher captions transcript_reviewed: not applicable ---  # KKK Leader Finds Donald Trump a Great Recruiting Tool > Sponsored content. 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Watch Time magazine's interview with Donald Trump for Person of the Year_ Description, summary, key points, chapters, key quotes, questions and transcript, where present, were produced automatically from the video or its captions and were not reviewed. ## Summary Donald Trump speaks in an interview about the size and energy of his crowds during his campaign, saying supporters want to make America great again. He comments on political correctness, criticizes Mexico and its people, and describes a reporter's remark about his campaign. He concludes that winning is what matters to him. ## Key points - Trump says his crowds have grown larger and more energized, with more people than anticipated in places such as New Hampshire, Iowa and Columbus, Ohio. (00:19) - Trump says he is less politically correct than people are supposed to be and that political correctness takes a tremendous amount of time. (00:56) - Trump says leaders are 'very, very stupid people' and asserts that Mexico is sending drugs, crime and rapists. (01:16) - Trump says a reporter told him nobody has ever done what he has done in the history of United States politics. (01:44) - Trump says he has not won yet and that if he does not win, it would be a giant waste of time to him. (02:04) - Trump disagrees with the reporter's view that his campaign is significant even without winning, stating 'I think I have to win.' (02:16) - Trump states that he is really rich and offers to show it himself. (01:40) ## Chapters - [00:00 to 00:19] Opening Remarks on Crowds. Trump introduces the interview with a brief opening and then begins discussing his campaign. - [00:19 to 00:56] Crowd Size and Energy. Trump describes larger, more energized crowds and their desire to make America great again. - [00:56 to 01:40] Political Correctness and Immigration Remarks. Trump says he is less politically correct and makes claims about Mexico and its people. - [01:40 to 02:04] Reporter's Comment on Campaign. Trump recounts a reporter's remark that his campaign has never been done before in US politics. - [02:04 to 02:30] Focus on Winning. Trump says he has not won yet and insists that winning is what matters to him. ## Key quotes - [00:19] Donald Trump: "My crowds have gotten larger. They've gotten even more energized" - [00:39] Donald Trump: "They want to make America great again." - [00:56] Donald Trump: "I am less politically correct than you're supposed to be" - [01:16] Donald Trump: "We are lead by very, very stupid people." - [01:34] Donald Trump: "They're rapists." - [02:04] Donald Trump: "I haven't won ." - [02:16] Donald Trump: "I think I have to win. I'm about winning." ## Questions this video answers - How does Trump describe the size and energy of his campaign crowds? [00:19] - What does Trump say about political correctness? [00:56] - What claims does Trump make about Mexico? [01:16] - What did a reporter tell Trump about his campaign? [01:44] - Why does Trump say winning matters to him? [02:04] - What does Trump say his campaign goal is? [02:16] ## Content suitability - politics [00:00-02:30]: Presidential campaign remarks throughout the video. - hate [01:16-01:37]: Derogatory and generalizing remarks about Mexico and Mexican people, including the claim that they are rapists. - crime [01:20-01:37]: Claims that Mexico is bringing drugs and crime to the country. - profanity [00:00-02:30]: No profanity is clearly spoken in the transcript.  by [Melissa Chan](https://time.com/author/melissa-chan/)  ## Melissa Chan Dec 21, 2015 3:41 PM UTC  Donald Trump waves to the crowd as he arrives at a campaign event at the International Air Response facility on Dec. 16 in Mesa, Arizona. Donald Trump waves to the crowd as he arrives at a campaign event at the International Air Response facility on Dec. 16 in Mesa, Arizona. (Photo by Ralph Freso/Getty Images)  by [Melissa Chan](https://time.com/author/melissa-chan/)  ## Melissa Chan Dec 21, 2015 3:41 PM UTC Donald Trump is inspiring white supremacists, according to a national organizer of a leading Ku Klux Klan group — and [his candid rhetoric is being used to recruit more](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/21/how-donald-trump-is-breathing-life-into-americas-dying-white-supremacist-movement/?tid=sm%5Ffb) of them. The KKK is using the Republican presidential frontrunner as an outreach tool, Rachel Pendergraft, the national membership coordinator for the Knights Party, told The Washington _Post_. Trump’s candidacy, which has been characterized by often divisive nativist rhetoric, has “electrified” some members, the newspaper reported Monday. “They like the overall momentum of his rallies and his campaign,” Pendergraft said. “They like that he’s not willing to back down. He says what he believes and he stands on that.” The KKK organizer said the group uses the headlines Trump makes to start conversations with separatists about issues that are important to the white supremacist movement. “One of the things that our organization really stresses with our membership is we want them to educate themselves on issues, but we also want them to be able to learn how to open up a conversation with other people,” Pendergraft said. \[[_Washington Post_](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/21/how-donald-trump-is-breathing-life-into-americas-dying-white-supremacist-movement/?tid=sm%5Ffb)\] ## Transcript [00:00] [ MUSIC ] [00:02] [ NOISE ] [00:05] I [00:08] see [00:11] your [00:14] face. [00:17] [ MUSIC ] [00:19] My crowds have gotten larger. They've gotten even [00:22] more energized to a point where we go into a place, [00:26] whether it's New Hampshire, whether it's Iowa, [00:28] whether it's Columbus, Ohio. No matter where I go, we [00:32] have many more people than we anticipated. And the [00:34] other thing I see now that I didn't see as much, [00:36] tremendous energy, tremendous spirit. They want to [00:39] make America great again. It's very simple. They want [00:42] to make America great again. [ CROSSTALK ] [00:47] [ APPLAUSE ] United States, [00:52] Donald Trump. I am [00:56] less politically correct than you're supposed to be and I [01:00] will tell you, I don't do it purposely. I could be so [01:02] politically correct you would sit with me and people [01:05] would say, wow, he is such a fine person, he is a, I [01:09] just don't have time for it. Political correctness takes a [01:13] lot of time, takes a tremendous amount of time. We [01:16] are lead by very, very stupid people. [01:20] Mexico sends it's people. Oh I don't know what I said. [01:24] They're not sending their best. I don't remember. [01:27] Bringing drugs. Out of hundreds of deals that I've [01:30] done. They're bringing crime. I've taken advantage of [01:34] the laws of this country. They're rapists. We don't win [01:37] anymore. And some, I assume, are good people. I'm [01:40] really rich. I'll show you that myself. I was called by a [01:44] major, major A reporter, whose name I won't use. He [01:47] said, " How does it feel ?" I said, " How does what [01:49] feel ?" " What you've done has never been done in the [01:52] history of United States politics. I say, " What do you [01:56] mean by that ?" He said, " Nobody has ever done what [01:58] you've done. The energy, the crowds, the whole [02:01] concept of what you've done has never been done ." [02:04] And I said, " Well, what have I done? I haven't won ." If I [02:08] don't win it's just a waste of time as far as I'm [02:11] concerned. I will consider it a giant waste of time. He [02:13] said, no you're wrong, if you don't win you have still [02:16] done something that's never been done before. I tend [02:19] to disagree with him, I think I have to win. I'm about [02:21] winning. 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